Hello guys/gals my MRS just bought a new fiesta from fords so I got my old work horse back (5door blue 1.8 mk1 ford focus ghia).
I have a Sierra Sapphire 2000E 4x4 cosworth rep and I have been aquiring parts to build and put zetec turbo in it however now my plans have changed as it'll be far easier to drop straight into focus for a nice little sleeper, so far I have bought/aquired

(FRS inlet manifold, FRS exhaust manifold, FRS injector rail with injectors and tophat, FRS brembo front brakes and rear bear, Omex600 ecu, FRS thicker headgasket). I'm planning on using either a T3 or T38 turbo Iwill be changing inlet and exhaust manifold/turbo housing for uprated 1s once engine is built and run in.

any help views etc much appreciated I'll need a loom or do I? I know I need rad intercooler, I'm either going for cosworth forged pistons and rods or a forged PEC set, block wise I'm undicided between ST170 block and Blacktop block either way I'm using blacktop head with areasix double valve springs/retainers,arps.

I'll post pics asap and as build progress's as of the next few weeks just gathering rest of what I'll need

WES

 

If your not going for mega power can you not use the standard ST170 bottom end and a blacktop head? Saves spending x amount on pistons and rods...

 

not sure bud as everyone I've spoken too has said to change internals anyway, better piece of mind. Dont get me wrong I wont be thrashing car only rev to 5k

 

Most zetec turbo make there full power past 5k so why don't you want to rev it that high?

 

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I dnt want to cause undue risk of oil pump detonation and cannot afford to go dry sump!

 

as said at 5k you're getting bugger all in the power band, mine's been bouncing off the limiter at 7400rpm for the last year at various levels of boost without failure (just dropped limiter to reduce risk to 7200rpm though).
also massive power difference between a t3 (what ever stage) and a T38, it's a bit vague what you are planning IMO.
get forged pistons and steel rods if you're planning for the future, i never looked back on getting the bottom end solid.

 

Will be cool when its done.

 

As for exterior leaving her pretty much as she is she's on koni adjustables and is already polybushed, will be fucking them wheels off changing rear bumper for either mk1.5 one or frs one, and spoiler.

Interior leaving standard bar dash board which will be changed for either st170 or frs one

 

The blocks are near enough the same in the ST170 and Blacktop, just slightly different casting.

Will be a cool project - what kind of power you after?

 

Between a Min 300bhp and max 400bhp running on minimal psi cheers!
Whats difference between frs head and the rest?

 

Quick update got FRS clocks and steering wheel now and may have got an FRS lump too

 

Quick Question my car is a 5 door mk1 ford focus 1.8ghia! if i change engine for a FRS lump will I be able to buy FRS engine loom only and just change that? I know ECU is different but i'll most likely be running OMEX600 anyway or is it just as easy with the 1.8 loom CHEERS WES

 

The FRS runs the same head gasket as the rest of the range, the ST170 one is thicker if you want to drop the compression by 0.3:1 but if you're using low comp forged pistons then you won't need to.

There's absolutely no way you'll be making 3-400bhp under 5k and there's no reason you can't rev to over 7k perfectly safely. Double valve springs are also a complete waste of money because you need to match your valves to the engine and they would be massive overkill. There are plenty of springs that'll allow you to rev to over 7k with lots of boost and even high lift cams without valve float, double valve springs are really for the extreme end of tuning.

If you're going for 400bhp on a standard head then you'll need quite alot of boost, less if you have some headwork done.

 

You can get a thicker gasket for the rs too, can't remember the part number, they were made for frs that have been decked or skimmed, as for the head 400 is ok on standard ports and valves, maybe above that you would want work on valve throats.

 

That's probably the ST gasket, it's a four layer rather than the standard three layer (0.40 vs 0.27 IIRC). I know that Pumaspeed sell them as an 'upgrade'

Sure you can make 400 on the standard head (people have got alot more than that too) but it's a restriction at that level.

 

Yea it help with head work, but not essential, the head gasket is even thicker than the st gasket, will see if I can find part number.

 

I know about gasket its the thick FRS one for skimmed heads I think its 1.8mm

 

Looks like this going to be a good project

Keep Up The Good Work

 

Cheers i hope so with a little bit of help i should be good. Built a cossie up befor and many rs turbo's

 

As of today I a bit stuck I been offered a FRS engine for just under 1k but I think its done the piston rings/ring, so would require rebore BUTT!! I also been offered a ST170 bottom end for Ł150 and blacktop head for Ł80. Now I know if I get the FRS I'll have a complete engine that will be easier to wire connect up etc but not sure what to do....... advise plz

 

What comes with the frs engine?

 

Just bare engine with internals! I awaiting an email on another engine done 50k comes with ancillaries same price

 

A focus rs exhaust manifold has a t25 flange so would not fit the turbo you want to use. My brother just found this out with his Zetec turbo frst after I told him to buy one :-( we now going to use a adapter plate and use a escort rst manifold

 

What is better a hybrid T25 or T3? and I thought the S2 manifold is very restrictive

 

We only going to be running around 18psi so escort mangold will be fine. I was reading on here they would do 300bhp without any issues. As for which turbo it depends what power you're after. If you're using a frs manifold I'd use a frs turbo. I think there's someone on rsoc (frs john?)that mods them so they will do around 350bhp iirc

 

Right quick update as of today I have bought a FRS engine which is smokey could be rings could be valve stem seals! As the low mileage FRS engine I was getting the fella messed me about....(was selling then wasn't then was then wasn't) also got FRS clocks and mint steering wheel, and I may also have a set of FRS wheels lined up.

 

Right does anybody know if I can use my standard loom (1.8 ghia) with the FRS engine or will i need/be easier to use FRS engine loom? Also are the mounts in the same place for a zetec engine and a FRS I'm using FRS box too?

 

What engine and gear box is in the shell at mo mate? If silver top detect with bc gearbox then you will have a few mount mods to do!

 

Engine that is in her is 1.8 ghia blacktop.

 

Engine mounts should be fine, but you will be running either a bc or ib5 gearbox so that will need a few mount mods

 

I'm going to be using FRS gearbox

 

Yea that's a mtx75, but originally the car would of had a bc or ib5.

 

original is ib5 whats difference in mounts then, as its still same car(shell) eg its not like its a gearbox from newer model? I was going to buy viba mounts

 

ive got a focus gt25 and decat downpipe if you need it mate. sounds like a cool project. cant beat a sleeper!

 

how much fella and what stage gt25

cheers bud

 

Well i bought the manifold, turbo and decat pipe with sensor for Ł350 but i dont need it now as ive gone down a different route.

As far as i know its standard straight from a focus rs.

Can have the whole lot for 300 or 250 for the turbo and decat pipe and sensor? And il ebay the manifold as i see you already have one.

Cheers, Tom.

 

Engine arrived today not too happy though need to change rocker cover as its been painted looks shit no flywheel on engine and sump has tiny crack. Looking in the ports stems seem ok so prob piston ring failure but until i strip it down for rebuild wont know!

 

Things a bit slow at moment as some little dickhead reversed into my saph cossie, and rs centre are closed till next monday then engine going in for rebuild!

 

Update just dropped engine off to bayjoo at grove rs possible rings gone if so rebuild on cards but will be few weeks as they got alot on. I'm still after few bits like flywheel pipes turbo ancilleries etc...