General Car Related Discussion. To discuss anything that is related to cars and automotive technology that doesnt naturally fit into another forum catagory.

Advise...inlet cam?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 20, 2012 | 03:39 PM
  #1  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default Advise...inlet cam?

My 3 door is currently on greens with a tt t34.55, 500 cooler, fresh rebuild but standard engine and head e.t.c. Still on l1 i believe with msd chip.

Thinking of changing spec slightly in winter. Just wondering which injectors are the next ones from greens which are readily available and how much cost wise?

Also would i benifit from an inlet cam at this stage? Bearing in mind ive standard pistons?

Lastly with a new spec of t34.55, injectors and possible cam what would i expect to see power wise? I understand they will be guestimates and i will select a tuner and discuss just wanting some ideas upfront. Thanks.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 03:48 PM
  #2  
Turbosystems's Avatar
Turbosystems
Super Moderator
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 12,849
Likes: 50
From: home
Default

que the 4i
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 03:49 PM
  #3  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Ab07 i take it then?

Is i worth the hasstle on a standard head?
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 03:59 PM
  #4  
1374lee's Avatar
1374lee
PassionFord Post Troll
15 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,959
Likes: 91
From: WALES
Default

Originally Posted by Turbosystems
que the 4i
Lol at u Tony.

Thanks.Lee.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 04:02 PM
  #5  
Turbosimpsons's Avatar
Turbosimpsons
Advanced PassionFord User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,914
Likes: 1
From: cheshire
Default

where is the tall one today? i'd have thought he'd be all over this like a bad rash.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 04:07 PM
  #6  
cossie4i+'s Avatar
cossie4i+
TT T38 Power
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 22,368
Likes: 32
From: Somerset
Default

Im saying nothing, im just a train driver not a cossie tuner

Steve
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 04:20 PM
  #7  
Turbosystems's Avatar
Turbosystems
Super Moderator
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 12,849
Likes: 50
From: home
Default

and low and behold as if by magic he appears
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 04:52 PM
  #8  
Jay,'s Avatar
Jay,
Sponsor
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 25,221
Likes: 407
From: south east
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
My 3 door is currently on greens with a tt t34.55, 500 cooler, fresh rebuild but standard engine and head e.t.c. Still on l1 i believe with msd chip.

Thinking of changing spec slightly in winter. Just wondering which injectors are the next ones from greens which are readily available and how much cost wise?

Also would i benifit from an inlet cam at this stage? Bearing in mind ive standard pistons?

Lastly with a new spec of t34.55, injectors and possible cam what would i expect to see power wise? I understand they will be guestimates and i will select a tuner and discuss just wanting some ideas upfront. Thanks.
that spec with a abo7 will be brilliant for a fast road car id say a honest 370bhp and 340/350lb
steve will tell you that his is was brilliant at the spec BUT he went number chasing and the rest is history but im sure if you did a indepth search on here you can find his exploits

Last edited by Jay,; May 20, 2012 at 04:56 PM.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 07:46 PM
  #9  
glockenspiel lover's Avatar
glockenspiel lover
BANNED
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
From: crawley
Default

An ab 07 inlet cam with a spacer in the inlet if its a 2wd one or even better a 4x4 inlet plenum with a pf09 tps and a level 8 ecu upgrade and some 55lb siemens injectors with a decent live map would see a geniune 380 hp and 400 ft lb
Lovely all round fast road conversion !
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 07:46 PM
  #10  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Originally Posted by Jay,
that spec with a abo7 will be brilliant for a fast road car id say a honest 370bhp and 340/350lb
steve will tell you that his is was brilliant at the spec BUT he went number chasing and the rest is history but im sure if you did a indepth search on here you can find his exploits
Thanks for that useful info mate.

With a change if cam would it need live mapping or will a new chip do the trick?
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 07:56 PM
  #11  
glockenspiel lover's Avatar
glockenspiel lover
BANNED
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
From: crawley
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
Thanks for that useful info mate.

With a change if cam would it need live mapping or will a new chip do the trick?
Yes mate as answered above !!!lol
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 07:58 PM
  #12  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Originally Posted by glockenspiel lover
Yes mate as answered above !!!lol
Cheers man. Not going to see much change of 2k for that you reckon?
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:18 PM
  #13  
Rsmat's Avatar
Rsmat
Professional Waffler
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 27,262
Likes: 585
From: either at work or on way :)
Default

Ross have you drove it enough yet mate.. As it might be wise to get used to it first...as the spec above is similar to mine and is a Wilde card in the wrong hands...in wish you all the best mate... Or and mine is in standard cams mate
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:24 PM
  #14  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Hey Matt.

Ive not drove it yet, 18th June. I know its crazy asking as it will be rapid for me in its current tune but i just like to know what the next steps are thats all. Im going to enjoy it for what is is this year for sure.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:25 PM
  #15  
Turbosystems's Avatar
Turbosystems
Super Moderator
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 12,849
Likes: 50
From: home
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
Cheers man. Not going to see much change of 2k for that you reckon?
it would be closer to a grand than 2 grand but you can give me 2 k if you like

Last edited by Turbosystems; May 20, 2012 at 08:28 PM.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:26 PM
  #16  
Rsmat's Avatar
Rsmat
Professional Waffler
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 27,262
Likes: 585
From: either at work or on way :)
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
Hey Matt.

Ive not drove it yet, 18th June. I know its crazy asking as it will be rapid for me in its current tune but i just like to know what the next steps are thats all. Im going to enjoy it for what is is this year for sure.


No danger mate... As I'd hate you to crash it as its lovely mate...

If I was you I would just get it on 55's and live mapped.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:28 PM
  #17  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Originally Posted by Turbosystems
it would be closer to grand than 2 grand but you can give me 2 k if you like
Haha. I was talking all parts including fitment like.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:29 PM
  #18  
Turbosystems's Avatar
Turbosystems
Super Moderator
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 12,849
Likes: 50
From: home
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
Haha. I was talking all parts including fitment like.
so was I
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:30 PM
  #19  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Originally Posted by RS_matt
No danger mate... As I'd hate you to crash it as its lovely mate...

If I was you I would just get it on 55's and live mapped.
Yeah cheers man.

Should the time come, and lets face it it will, i will obv choose a tuner and go with their recommendations i just thought id ask on here just to have some knowledge myself.

Cannot wait to get in her now like, done 5 month waiting now, less than 1 to go!
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:32 PM
  #20  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Originally Posted by Turbosystems
so was I
Really?

So id get an ab07 cam, 55's, l8 mapped all fitted for less than 2000. Seems good.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:35 PM
  #21  
cossie4i+'s Avatar
cossie4i+
TT T38 Power
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 22,368
Likes: 32
From: Somerset
Default

Originally Posted by Jay,
that spec with a abo7 will be brilliant for a fast road car id say a honest 370bhp and 340/350lb
steve will tell you that his is was brilliant at the spec BUT he went number chasing and the rest is history but im sure if you did a indepth search on here you can find his exploits
That was a great set up i had

It was running a mild head port, standard cams and a 4x4 inlet along with light blue injectors (400s) T34.55 and a 500 spec intercooler.

The car made 371.7bhp and 350lb/ft peaking @ 1.7bar boost.

I would have the same sort of spec again (55lb injectors and the AB07 inlet cam).

The cam would just help it rev a bit better, no need for valve cutouts.

It was a very nice drive, and done the 1/4 in 12.91 sec @ 114.77mph

Steve
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:36 PM
  #22  
Turbosystems's Avatar
Turbosystems
Super Moderator
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 12,849
Likes: 50
From: home
Default

we can run it on an l1 l6 or l8 what ever you prefer
the l8 is the best of the 3 for well under 2 k
if we use your L1 it will be closer to 1k
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:37 PM
  #23  
glockenspiel lover's Avatar
glockenspiel lover
BANNED
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
From: crawley
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
Cheers man. Not going to see much change of 2k for that you reckon?
Good 2nd hand l8...Ł200

set of 55lbers Ł250

Inlet cam to same spec as ab 07 Ł160

4x4 inlet plenum complete Ł130

couple of hours live map on a good base map Ł200 ish depending on who you use??

So yeah around a Ł1000 should be achieved no problem..


If you do what matt says tho and get a live map on some 55lbers for now it will be awesome and then later all your need are the bits above and the map re tweaked
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 08:42 PM
  #24  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Originally Posted by Turbosystems
we can run it on an l1 l6 or l8 what ever you prefer
the l8 is the best of the 3 for well under 2 k
if we use your L1 it will be closer to 1k
Sounds good. Thanks mate. What advantages would i see on an l8 over and l1. I know it will be technically different but would i as an end user see a difference?

Originally Posted by glockenspiel lover
Good 2nd hand l8...Ł200

set of 55lbers Ł250

Inlet cam to same spec as ab 07 Ł160

4x4 inlet plenum complete Ł130

couple of hours live map on a good base map Ł200 ish depending on who you use??

So yeah around a Ł1000 should be achieved no problem..


If you do what matt says tho and get a live map on some 55lbers for now it will be awesome and then later all your need are the bits above and the map re tweaked
Perfect help mate. Cheers.

Ive had my fiesta custom mapped over 2 days at MSD for 300 i think so though live mapping a cosworth would be more than that.
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 09:45 PM
  #25  
glockenspiel lover's Avatar
glockenspiel lover
BANNED
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
From: crawley
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
Sounds good. Thanks mate. What advantages would i see on an l8 over and l1. I know it will be technically different but would i as an end user see a difference?



Perfect help mate. Cheers.

Ive had my fiesta custom mapped over 2 days at MSD for 300 i think so though live mapping a cosworth would be more than that.
If you buy a good base map ie an msd one then someone who works well with weber like turbosystems or nms etc can do the adjustments very quick so wont be alot more than Ł200 imo if not less..
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 09:51 PM
  #26  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Originally Posted by glockenspiel lover
If you buy a good base map ie an msd one then someone who works well with weber like turbosystems or nms etc can do the adjustments very quick so wont be alot more than Ł200 imo if not less..
When you say buy a good base map off msd do you mean buy a chip off them which has been specced for my mods?
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 09:51 PM
  #27  
cossiedave's Avatar
cossiedave
Advanced PassionFord User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,735
Likes: 15
From: in me garage working on the cossie
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
Really?

So id get an ab07 cam, 55's, l8 mapped all fitted for less than 2000. Seems good.
far less than 2 grand
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 09:54 PM
  #28  
martysmartie's Avatar
martysmartie
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,460
Likes: 103
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
Sounds good. Thanks mate. What advantages would i see on an l8 over and l1. I know it will be technically different but would i as an end user see a difference?



Perfect help mate. Cheers.

Ive had my fiesta custom mapped over 2 days at MSD for 300 i think so though live mapping a cosworth would be more than that.
Only reason to go for L8, is if you require extra functions, such as C/L, Anti-lag, launch control etc.

The only reason you would need to change your injectors is if they could not flow enough, I should think just by changing the cam they would still be able to flow for it.

Tbh, imo, it's pointless changing cams on a standard Cosworth, i.e. T3 turbo, as the cams/head etc can consume more than the airflow you have.

Martin

Martin
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 09:54 PM
  #29  
Jay,'s Avatar
Jay,
Sponsor
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 25,221
Likes: 407
From: south east
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
When you say buy a good base map off msd do you mean buy a chip off them which has been specced for my mods?
just speak to tnoy at turbo systems he will run you all through it pro's and con's ect
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 09:55 PM
  #30  
martysmartie's Avatar
martysmartie
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 8,460
Likes: 103
Default

Originally Posted by Rossy43
When you say buy a good base map off msd do you mean buy a chip off them which has been specced for my mods?
Yes if you tell MSD your spec they can tweak there map/write you a custom chip to suit.

Martin
Reply
Old May 20, 2012 | 09:56 PM
  #31  
Rossy43's Avatar
Rossy43
Thread Starter
Fiesta ZS. FF feat nov'11
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
From: Newcastle!
Default

Thanks for everyones input.

I will speak to Tony at somepoint in the future and get some advice. Sooner rather than later.
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 02:41 PM
  #32  
wes's Avatar
wes
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
20 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,144
Likes: 9
Default

Originally Posted by martysmartie
Only reason to go for L8, is if you require extra functions, such as C/L, Anti-lag, launch control etc.

Martin
2 words: Transient Fuelling.

Originally Posted by glockenspiel lover
If you buy a good base map ie an msd one then someone who works well with weber like turbosystems or nms etc can do the adjustments very quick so wont be alot more than Ł200 imo if not less..
Why would you waste your time buying a base map from a different tuner? If you're taking it to Tony you may aswell let him supply and tweek one of his own well established maps.
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 07:26 PM
  #33  
glockenspiel lover's Avatar
glockenspiel lover
BANNED
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
From: crawley
Default

Originally Posted by wes
2 words: Transient Fuelling.



Why would you waste your time buying a base map from a different tuner? If you're taking it to Tony you may aswell let him supply and tweek one of his own well established maps.
One if you read above i already said one of tonys or say msds base maps for example..

Two,who said he was deffo going to tonys??

At the end of the day anyone who can use a spanner can do the said conversion above and any one who can map out there with webber software can download a t34 55lb base map and go from there..
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 07:29 PM
  #34  
Turbosystems's Avatar
Turbosystems
Super Moderator
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 12,849
Likes: 50
From: home
Default

Originally Posted by glockenspiel lover
One if you read above i already said one of tonys or say msds base maps for example..

Two,who said he was deffo going to tonys??

At the end of the day anyone who can use a spanner can do the said conversion above and any one who can map out there with webber software can download a t34 55lb base map and go from there..
You are sounding more and more Like Danny Danny every day
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 07:32 PM
  #35  
Jay,'s Avatar
Jay,
Sponsor
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 25,221
Likes: 407
From: south east
Default

Originally Posted by Turbosystems
You are sounding more and more Like Danny Danny every day
if that aint Dan im good looking slim milliomaire
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 07:38 PM
  #36  
Rsmat's Avatar
Rsmat
Professional Waffler
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 27,262
Likes: 585
From: either at work or on way :)
Default

Originally Posted by Jay,
if that aint Dan im good looking slim milliomaire


Thought you was... Now your dumped......
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 07:40 PM
  #37  
Jay,'s Avatar
Jay,
Sponsor
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 25,221
Likes: 407
From: south east
Default

Originally Posted by RS_matt
Thought you was... Now your dumped......
like i care you slut
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 07:50 PM
  #38  
glockenspiel lover's Avatar
glockenspiel lover
BANNED
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
From: crawley
Default

Originally Posted by Jay,
if that aint Dan im good looking slim milliomaire
Oi it wouldnt matter who it was on here...youl never be handsome!!!lol
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 07:52 PM
  #39  
Jay,'s Avatar
Jay,
Sponsor
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 25,221
Likes: 407
From: south east
Default

Originally Posted by glockenspiel lover
Oi it wouldnt matter who it was on here...youl never be handsome!!!lol
lol Dan why dont you use ur normal user name ?
Reply
Old May 21, 2012 | 08:11 PM
  #40  
Rsmat's Avatar
Rsmat
Professional Waffler
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 27,262
Likes: 585
From: either at work or on way :)
Default

Originally Posted by Jay,
like i care you slut


Cheers thought you was different.....
Reply



All times are GMT. The time now is 08:08 PM.