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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 03:00 PM
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Default Seller trying to put a "cat b" back on the road

first time ive spotted one of these "cat b write-off" for sale as ideal for export

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-ROVE...item2eb7c091c2
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 03:07 PM
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'ideal overseas car'....

Blatantly nicked
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by S2=RSTmatt
'ideal overseas car'....

Blatantly nicked
Not really, it's just that it can't ever go on the road in this country. Wouldn't have thought it could be legally exported either though.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:11 PM
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funny how no pics of before the repair bet it was a right mess
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:29 PM
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Can go back on the road, has been done before, they just don't like it. Like with any written off car, i would want to see the before pics.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:32 PM
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no log book, thats because it needs a vic check.

if there was no problem in getting a vic check on a cat b then it would have been done to help sell the 15k car...

it cant be used on the road until its had its vic and mot either...



who in there right mind would spend that on a car thats been a cat b with no logbook

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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rhinopower
Can go back on the road, has been done before, they just don't like it. Like with any written off car, i would want to see the before pics.
i was under the impression that CAT-B is parts only, and dvla will not issue a logbook/v5
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rhinopower
Can go back on the road.
Correct
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:40 PM
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hmmm there is something deffonot right there!
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tommytwotanks
i was under the impression that CAT-B is parts only, and dvla will not issue a logbook/v5
The issue is infact with the salvage company for letting the car go complete and not breaking it.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rhinopower
The issue is infact with the salvage company for letting the car go complete and not breaking it.
http://www.datachecks.co.uk/insurancelosscategories.htm
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:51 PM
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Exactly. Salvage company sold it and no certificate of destruction raised.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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so, if for instant you wanted to export it, wouldnt you need a uk logbook/V5 to register it in spain on spainish plates
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 06:01 PM
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Fishy as fook!!
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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Leg and flitch would not right off a Ł40,000 rangerover.Damaged i.d put on stolen one me thinks.Although in one pic of the o/s/f the wing looks a different colour to the front and rear doors so might be a bad repair.Too much money to risk anyway.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 07:41 PM
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didnt think cat b could go back on road just sold for parts. vic check is just to check chassis and engine numbers are all correct they dont check for damage. maybe its not been vic checked coz the numbers are dodgy
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 10:57 PM
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doesn't a car get a cat b break only listing if someone got killed in it, maybe thats what it was, and got repair before someone realized, and now they can't get log book for it
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 11:28 AM
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must of been really serious damage to be on a cat-b!
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by saph cos rob
must of been really serious damage to be on a cat-b!
Not necessarily,there's no hard and fast rules regarding classification amazingly,it could be simply down to the assessor on the day and the circumstances regarding the crash,as stated above could be someone was run down and killed in suspicious circumstances etc.

Charlotte church had her merc ml attacked by mice on her farm,all the wirings wrecked and it's ended up in a well known breakers in Swansea,that's cat b but aside from a bit of wiring and a new interior it's mint.

Particularly between cat c/d it's laughable,I've seen cat c's with literally a scratch down the side and your thinking "uh???" then I've seen cat d's that look like they've been dropped out of an aeroplane!!!
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 05:30 PM
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Particularly between cat c/d it's laughable,I've seen cat c's with literally a scratch down the side and your thinking "uh???" then I've seen cat d's that look like they've been dropped out of an aeroplane!!!
it's all based on money, a 2009 high value car is worth a lot less as a cat-c to the insurance company, thats why most proformance cars end up cat-d, and run of the mill mondeo's, vectra's and the like are cat-c, even if its fairly minor/panel damage, have a look at the copart website,

http://www.universal-salvage.com/c2/home.html

loads of quality motor's classed as cat-d with med/heavy damage

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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 05:56 PM
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and they cant re-register it in another country you need the paperwork to clarify its never been in an accident nowadays theres some ropey fucker trying to sell a cat d merc sl65 amg in sweden from the u.k IT CAN NEVER BE REGISTERED!!!!!
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 06:13 PM
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and they cant re-register it in another country you need the paperwork to clarify its never been in an accident nowadays theres some ropey fucker trying to sell a cat d merc sl65 amg in sweden from the u.k IT CAN NEVER BE REGISTERED!!!!!

yeah ive noticed a lot of copart salvage bidders from poland, lithuania, germany

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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 06:21 PM
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i wanted to take aload of the tidy scrapage cars abroad but got a proper job so didnt, woudl have been good tho but import taxes can put pay to it if its outside eu and not many want em inside eu behaust of rhd issues

some of em were really good cars, 40k fiestas btu also v plate minter jags

i digress......
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 06:25 PM
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wing and door are well off too, they match from the rear view but not from the front


anyways if they have a recipt from the salvage or similar corrosponding with the chassis no (at its legit) then its cool
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tommytwotanks
yeah ive noticed a lot of copart salvage bidders from poland, lithuania, germany

they send foreign lorries for loads of salvage from the local yard to me, some are totally fooked so must be rung or just parts becaysue theres often half a car
must be money in, it, not cheap to run a lorry, especially a transporter
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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lol
well welded on wing
if it dotn work its a rs1600i decaled mk3 cabrio, s2 interior, looke good actually
http://www.universal-salvage.com/c2/...SEARCH_RESULTS
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 06:35 PM
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if the stolen recovered with the keys and found damaged with no keys it could be cat-b, if its been smacked before its woth nothing anyway, very common for "new" cars to have been written off twice, 3rd time its gone.
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Originally Posted by 1.9 xr2 on 40's
they send foreign lorries for loads of salvage from the local yard to me, some are totally fooked so must be rung or just parts becaysue theres often half a car
must be money in, it, not cheap to run a lorry, especially a transporter

happening at nearly all salvage yards nowadays and they buy all the shite at top prices too
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 1.9 xr2 on 40's
they send foreign lorries for loads of salvage from the local yard to me, some are totally fooked so must be rung or just parts becaysue theres often half a car
must be money in, it, not cheap to run a lorry, especially a transporter
on copart the eastern europeans seem to buy quality stuff and jap double cabs,
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Cat b definatly cannot be put back on the road it's for salvage and breaking only and as far as exporting a car to be driven abroad it would need to have a logbook/v5 to be exported which would never be given to a cat b car no exceptions. Hope this helps.
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by langer
Cat b definatly cannot be put back on the road it's for salvage and breaking only and as far as exporting a car to be driven abroad it would need to have a logbook/v5 to be exported which would never be given to a cat b car no exceptions. Hope this helps.
trade plates or transporters get them moved and catb do get put back on the rd, people on here have done it
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by langer
Cat b definatly cannot be put back on the road it's for salvage and breaking only and as far as exporting a car to be driven abroad it would need to have a logbook/v5 to be exported which would never be given to a cat b car no exceptions. Hope this helps.
You are wrong, they can be put back on the road LEGALLY, have you tried to do this??? The person at fault here is with the greedy salvage dealer who let it escape the system but once its been sold to an individual then theres nothing they can do to stop you putting it on the road. You wouldn't get away with anything dodgy on a cat B as most times the police vehicle squad examine the vehicle as well as the DVLA.

Having said all of that I will add that the car needs to still have its stamped in VIN and engine numbers for this to work.

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Old Oct 27, 2011 | 02:46 PM
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Agreed with Martin, cat b's can get logbooks and can can back on the road, but not many insurance companies would pay out on a cat b again, but they probably would happily insure you.

Also you can export CAT B's, the HPi register is UK only i.e a cat b car here wont be a cat b car aboard, and to re register a car in some euro countries you only really need the export certifcate hence why the price of breakers have shot through the roof because of the polish lituahians turks etc
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Reshell it?
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Old Oct 27, 2011 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin-Hadland
You are wrong, they can be put back on the road LEGALLY, have you tried to do this??? The person at fault here is with the greedy salvage dealer who let it escape the system but once its been sold to an individual then theres nothing they can do to stop you putting it on the road. You wouldn't get away with anything dodgy on a cat B as most times the police vehicle squad examine the vehicle as well as the DVLA.

Having said all of that I will add that the car needs to still have its stamped in VIN and engine numbers for this to work.
correct martin , done it a few times ,they dont like it but as its road worthy then theres nothing they can do to stop you , only problem i encountered was insuring it afterwards and selling as it still remains on the register as cat b
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Old Oct 27, 2011 | 07:54 PM
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here is a cat b back on the road in the uk for all the doubters

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-Ferra...item4aaeb379c8
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