http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rth_talks_dc_6

views on this anyone ?

 

Just reading this too lol


I think WHERE ALL GONNA DIE

Its not good and to be honest unless the US, China etc cant get to talk the N Koreans out of it we got no hope.

Think were going to see some tensions rise around that area over the coming year.

 

fair play to them for wanting to defend themselves against bush!!

It will only be so long before USA try and take over the world

 

dont know whos worse now bush (no disrespect to the american people on here) or north korea because there all insane

 

North Korea is in a mess they all hate americans, I dont think the have power all the time, they workship a dead guy and they have nuc's But will america invade em er no and why is that ? cos they dont have any oil

I think the internet is all monitored and filtered but the internet will eventually change what they believe in korea

 

ok why should any country be made to not do what they want but what others want, i feel its a good argument they used, they aint gonna take over the world, no more than the western world has already in the past anyway

sorry but why not just allow other people to do what they can to defend em selves and work on reasons to avoid the attacks rather than force em to dissarm when they dont know for sure all people have when they say they have


if we try and resolve situations like stores do to keep customers rather than the "im right, your wrong " attiude then wont it be better

 

Yup Bush certainly hasnt helped the cause at all, by naming the "axis of Evil" as that has given cause for N Korea to try and devleop N Weapons in order to protect tis regime. I think the only way they will have to stop with pressure from the big players surronding N Korea (Japan, China, Russia).

All my opinion though

 

Fooking glad I don't live in South Korea.. I'd be shitting bricks right now I was them.....

 

Ginge its not just a case of them wanting to defend them selves either, it could be a ploy to invade S Korea, as look at the history there

 

thats a very good point to make too !!!!!!!!!!

i say allow people to do what the feel to be safe and aslong as they aint hurting anyone then thats ok

 

 

they think that america is the only place in the worl anyway!
and they will NEVER EVER attack korea because they DO have weapons of mass destructioin... do you REALLY think that anyone would be STUPID/brave enough to go to war with a nation that has an carzy/unstable/evil dictator and big fuck-off nukes...
Makes you wonder why 'We' ever went to war with suddam hussain.. i mean if he would of had the weapons they MUST of know that he would use them.. as he was beat either way

 

who are you talking about iraq or s.korea??

 

It looks to me that america wants the whole world defencless, If America can have nuc's then why cant other contrys. Mark my words there will be hell on in the next couple of years and as far as i'm concerned its all bush's fault

 

why is theres a south korea. north korea

sorry but i must admit i live my live based on people and my suroundings and then i know what affects me and can resolve it, if i cant i post shite on passionford and use that as a release valve for all my thoughts i cant answer

but i still dont see why theres a north/south korea and also who the fook are we to decide that our way of life is the correct way to be

maybe if we let em get on with it instead of exploiting the eastern world to gain profit then they might beable to get on with there own lives

just as im not a studant and the futherst i travel is the M25, theres japan, russia in north korea and whats in the south and whats there point in invading em ( and why are they seperate anyway ?????)

just wondering before i give the big "Gingers uneducated and usless opinion "



i like topics i can learn from as i remeber em and go to the pub and pretent im smart adn educated and make fun of the stupid people in a way to hide my ignorance

 

Good arguement Ginge!

Sure Mr Hitler - invade all the countries you like!

 

why cant the allow hulk hogan to be president

much easier and the press confrences would veiwed alot more, would not have to pay tax to pay his wages either as the wage bill would be covered with his merchandise and constant need for new t-shirts as he gets a nation to rip em all off at the end of the confrences

 

Sure Mr Bush invade all the contrys you like

 

Ginge you need to look at the history of the Area, its all to do with the cold war really, with communisum V Western powers etc.

Anyway im of out so i havent got time to go into all the details. For now how a look at the countries profiles gives a bit of info:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...es/1123668.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...es/1131421.stm

Sure someone on here will tell u exactly though.

 

but whos the right one !!!!

how can you say that the way you live is correct YET the way mr hitler prefered it wasnt

im sorry but the tooo much of the western worlds powers are just exploited for there own benifit, not for the good of the people !

if it was then a world war would be formed BASED on the whole world agreeing !!!!, not a few countries

sorry but thats my thoughts, the way i live is correct as thats how i choose, if others choose to do that then thats there own fault

and dont forget some factors people for get as just cause ya win dont make you correct, the romans where bad and invaded us BUT there way of life actually developed us in the end, we have roads, we all get baths they wasnt all that bad, not perfect thought but thats why i say let people do what they want

 

Sorry, don't buy it.

I hardly think you can line up George Bush alongside Hitler in terms of dictatorial leaders!

For a start, George Bush is ELECTED by the populus, where most dictators aren't.

Granted, Hitler won two elections, but built a country on a post-depression economy, but using the war machine to fund it. Bush is not in a situation that's remotely comparable.

 

Ginge try tell the millions of Jews etc who died that he had the right etc

 

Ginge,

Come on. Don't be a plum.

No-one's saying that you're not entitled to freedom of though, and freedom of expression, but if you think mass genocide and the murder of millions is okay because that's how you want to live your life, then you need your head testing.

We live in a society that's goverene by rules and laws, some of which you may not agree with, but most that are there for your protection.

Try going outside the M25, and visiting countries where you have to travel with an armed bodyguard for your own safety, or countries where 50% of your family have been killed, because some guy thought that killing people was a good way to live his life.

 

I must say this though if America decide they cant go to war with N.Korea as there is a chance they will use there nuc's and kill millions, then this will prove without a doubt that the americas LIED about saddam hussain having WMD's. I say this because if they genuinly thought he had the capabilitys they WOULD NOT have gone to war with a mad man with WMD'S, nobody in there right mind would.

 

im sure there was some scandle about winston churhill too that was forgoten about too

my point was just cause you have been told whats going on dont mean that its all true, what about the factors people are not told about, the hidden factors ect

do we know totally what hitlers agenda was ???, not in anyway sticking up for him but all i know about it is what i read, bit like the in egypt, they made soooo many facinating thing where sooo advanced yet disapearing int to nothing with no reqal explanation for all they done

im sure theres lots to other things, im sure this war with bush will be hidden under the carpet in a few years and be sold as a great war that we saved iraq from, we stuck up for them and forced independance on em by invading em and removing there leader that was and is a nasty person but forget the fact that we also still get oil from them at good rates and we chose there elected leaders

sorry mate but i dont buy everything till i know the facts and i wont know the facts or look into em more untill im directly affected by the war i supose

hope that helps a bit or i can go more in depth if ya wish

 

Exactly which ones then?

Yes, of course we do you moron - it's called hindsight! You think he murdered six million jews, gypsies, etc by accident.

I studied this area of hstory for seven years - believe me, it's not a case of live by your beliefs.

If that was the case, then we'd all be living in the dark ages.

I can't seriously believe that you're giving Hitler the "benefit of the doubt"

 

nice line

 

i dont agree with mass genocide of any nature, that means if any inocent person dies for no reason then i dont agree with it, as i said i dont know all the facts but i know that people in power in the western worlds do exploit rules for themselves, or own laws are the best examples from history !!!!

when ya look into the history about alot of things in this own country opens ya eyes and then makes ya think about things ya never thought of or dont know about ect

im very picky but some things i dont agree with, companys making 600million profits are one thing i dont agree with, i think a honest system for all comapnys that exploit there staff and customers prices to increase profits that much are wrong imo, if they male that much in a year profit there charging too much for there product as they cant soend that much money in there life time ever !!!!

things like that need to be address here first than other countrys issues !!!

thats always been my concern is the way this countrys run and they spend too long looking into other places problems

then theres the constant taxing ect to make more money for the rich and the poor pay for it

the housing situation too, theres not enough houses here for people BUT we still allow more people here every day

why not make us perfect and sort it out rather than look at other places and ignore the real issues that work for us

parking restrictons, were sticking a petition to remove the parking enforcement to 1 hour a day so that the commuters who park and get a bus/train the rest of the way are still not here yet we can still have friends and family and not worry about were we park our cars but the council are just saying it wont work and so wont allow it

we are the residents we live here surely it should be our choice to try it before the parking restriction where put in place !!!!

tiny things like that i hate yet we can invade other places

 

Why should one country have the ultimate defensive (or offensive) weapon, while another country cannot? Why should America continue to develope nukes (and they are working on small tactical nuclear weapons) while other countries are threatened with invasion if they even consider it? Why does the world turn a blind eye to Israel's nuclear programme?

Well, I believe fair is fair, but this is the real world and it doesn't work like that.

North Korea possessing nuclear weapons is a very bad thing.
If Iran possessed nuclear weapons it would be a very bad thing.

I do not think they would nuke the world, or America, but those countries are corrupt, and politically they are very unstable. Nuclear weapons are long term, and I just do not believe N.Korea or Iran could be trusted to secure them. Things could too easily 'go missing' or get 'lost' and its possible the weapons could get into the hands or terrorists or ultra religeous idealists. One weapon could do a lot of damage.

America/Britain/France/Russia/Israel or not so likely to let anything go missing. They are relatively stable. Pakistan/India maybe less so but still.

So, Nuclear weapons are a bad thing. In the hands of an unstable state / government they are even worse news. If the get into the hands of terrorists god help us.
Ban the lot of 'em. But America would never agree to that.

steve

 

so pon you have studied the agenda he had in life or read a book telling you what they want to to know

that was my poiint !!!!!

im not defending hitler but im saying reading a 1 sided storey dont always give facts !!!!!!

we have invaded iraq, we got no backing yet we done it anyway ????, how is that the same as a actual world war where the whole world decides that what a country is doing is wrong ???

bit like the north korea/south korea argument ???

same as the bin laden argument , using history as a example is not the best way to discribe all situations

itds a bit like you mate was done racing on a empty motor way, almost crashed and so anyone speeding with another car is racing and os does cause crashes so lets ban all cars to avoid the situation

 

thats a fooking good arguement or a have a world elected party to choose whats right and wrong !!!!, that way we all live by the same rules !!!!, and we can vote em in or out after a year !!!!! that way we can see the mistakes and they dont drag there feet for 2 years then make 2 years work

 

What are you talking about?

1. The first book you study when talking about Hitler is Mein Kampf - he wrote it himself whilst in prison.

2. You could say that his agenda was to murder 8 million, but are you saying tha his agenda differes that greatly from what he did.

3. It's not some great conspiracy or cover up. Go and see this stuff yourself. Go to Auschwitz and stand there, and look for yourself. Of all the rights you are offorded, you are most certainly not afforded the right to choose whether you believe whether things like the Holocaust ACTUALLY happened. Hence why in this country, it is against the law to deny its existence.

 

I think Nukes are a defensive weapon, in this day and age.

-It is Israel's nuclear deterent which has stopped it from being invaded by the Arab countries in the last 30 years.
-Pakistan/India have nukes we think. So invasion by either side is too much to risk now. They are a deterent.
-Iran and N.Korea probably want a nuclear capability to act as deterent from invasion. Especially since America has continually harrased them so much recently, 'Axis of Evil' and all that.

We had nukes loaded in our submarines 24/7/ 365 during the cold war. Russians did too, so did the Americans. So everyone knew the score. One moves first, we all move. all fucked. No-one moved first.

So its all fine until a nuclear weapon is used offensively or falls into the wrong hands. I am sure a world-wide ban on nukes could be enforced eventually, but ironically I think the USA would be the biggest barrier in doing so.

steve

 

Unfortunately I can see more and more countries (China, Russia etc) increasing their weapons plan in self defence of America. It is simple logic - if a burglar robs one street constantly, the residents are eventually going to wise up and defend themselves/attack the burglar.

Now the whole world is sitting 'scared' wondering which seemly random country Bush will accuse of harbouring terrorists next and invade - now Iraq is pretty much finished i'm sure he is getting itchy trigger fingers again...

I think they are waiting until after the next general election here so that Tony Blair can give his agreement without having to worry about the voters... (Remember what Iraq did to his popularity!)

 

Read these : And tell me who said them : Quite interesting. Seriously, have a guess.

1) We will not continue to tolerate the persecution of the minority, the killing of many, and their forcible removal under the most cruel conditions. I should despair of any honorable future for my own people if we were not, in one way or another, to solve this question.

2) He has led a reign of terror. He has hurled countless people into the profoundest misery. Through his terrorism he has succeeded in reducing millions of his people to silence. The maintenance of a tremendous military arsenal can only be regarded as a focus of danger. I am no longer willing to remain inactive while this madman ill-treats millions of human beings.

3) It is impossible to stand by and watch millions belonging to a great, an ancient civilised people be denied rights by their government. I have determined therefore to place the help of our country at the service of these millions.

Wine gum to anyone who gets one.

 

I reckon no.2 could be Bin laden.

 

I KNOW no.3 was Hitler!

 

........ and a little search would lead me to believe they are in fact all Hitler.

Some great justification for invading neighbouring countries! Alistair Campbell could learn a lot!

 

3 wine gums for PON

1) Adolf Hitler on Poland
2) Adolf Hitler on Czechoslovakia
3) Adolf Hitler on Austra

Makes you think, it really does.

 

Yeah - makes me think he was THE master of spin and propaganda.

You should know too Steve that a quote taken out of context actually has no historical value.