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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 04:02 PM
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Hi there guys, im planning on having a HID headlight kit installed on my mk6 fiesa, but I have a problem - i know NOTHING about headlights!! ive been on various websites, but the range and different types of bulbes and fittings has just boggled me!

Can anyone advise me on a good HID kit? i mean, really nice high quality not like some of the bootleg blue bulb jobs you see every now and then haha

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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 04:05 PM
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soon to be illegal mate and endorsable offence not worth it i wanted toi put them on my mk4 escort but not going to bother now
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 04:38 PM
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soon to be illegal mate and endorsable offence not worth it i wanted toi put them on my mk4 escort but not going to bother now
Retrofit HIDS have always been illegal. Not so sure about them being an endorsable offence. I've got a set of 4300k H7 HID's on order for my daily hack and as long as they are aimed right so they don't piss others off I'm happy
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 04:44 PM
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Just fitted them to my car today

Here's a pic i took when it was fitted to just the nearside to see the difference

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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 05:35 PM
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There are numerous posts on the STOC website about these, I think most go for a 6000 kit I believe. I thought about doing them, but can't be arsed with the hassle come MOT time!
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 06:45 PM
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so HIDs are going to be made completely illegal?? what sort of headlights should i go for then? just fed up of these standard halogen lights, may aswell have a parafin lamp instead
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 07:06 PM
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so HIDs are going to be made completely illegal?? what sort of headlights should i go for then? just fed up of these standard halogen lights, may aswell have a parafin lamp instead
They are already completely illegal. It's just that Eropean type approval takes presedence over UK law so if they are standard fit on the vehicle they are legal. They are not legal however for retro fit and never have been.

Be sensible about it and they are not a big issue and easy enough to swap back for the MOT if they even bother being funny about it
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
They are already completely illegal. It's just that Eropean type approval takes presedence over UK law so if they are standard fit on the vehicle they are legal. They are not legal however for retro fit and never have been.

Be sensible about it and they are not a big issue and easy enough to swap back for the MOT if they even bother being funny about it

thats why i hate this bootleg country!!! are xenons allowed then? or are they the same as HID? (excuse me for being a noob)
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
They are already completely illegal. It's just that Eropean type approval takes presedence over UK law so if they are standard fit on the vehicle they are legal. They are not legal however for retro fit and never have been.

Be sensible about it and they are not a big issue and easy enough to swap back for the MOT if they even bother being funny about it
Exactly, I just put the oud bulbs in the HiD tubes and chucked em in the lovebox as a sort of insurance ( Knowing they are there and hope to never have to use them )
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by yellowsierra
Exactly, I just put the oud bulbs in the HiD tubes and chucked em in the lovebox as a sort of insurance ( Knowing they are there and hope to never have to use them )
so am i stuck with halogens forrrreeeeeevvvver? or is there anything else i can put in that is legal (cant afford to get in trouble, im permanently on bail)
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 09:17 PM
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bang some osram night breakers in i got some and there ok was going to go hid but like people say above its not law
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Old Jan 15, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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http://www.powerbulbs.com/product_detail.asp?prod=111
these are what i have got
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Originally Posted by sutherland666

thats why i hate this bootleg country!!!
WTF are you on about? Retrofit HID's in normal lenses (like on a mk6,not projector) like you were no doubt going to do are a pain the the arse! They have no beam pattern as the light hits the lens, and scatters, so blinds oncoming road users! That's why they're illegal...
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Originally Posted by zetec-Sam
WTF are you on about? Retrofit HID's in normal lenses (like on a mk6,not projector) like you were no doubt going to do are a pain the the arse! They have no beam pattern as the light hits the lens, and scatters, so blinds oncoming road users! That's why they're illegal...
there's a bit of a test and jargon buster in this months redline about exactly this sort of thing

they've ended up retro fitting the oem xenons as that was the best option
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 11:56 AM
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Are you seriously worried about being 100% LEGIT ?, seriously hands up who never speeds for example, this is also illegal!!
At the end of the day, if they produce a decent beam pattern on the mot machine, and appear the correct colour, they will pass whether it is a torch taped inside the light or a candle, the light source for mot is totally irellevant.
The issue arises due to older lights not being as accurate in design, and the hid being around 3 times brighter, any scattered light is also 3 times brighter.
I put 5000K HID in a mk3 astra, it PASSED the mot, the beam on the machine was perfect, but I noticed out on the road viewing the car driving towards me the offside headlight dazzled, seemingly too high, the nearside one was perfect, light output on the ground was ace though, I couldn't dip the dazzling light enough to stop it dazzling, so due to this and the "height" difference between dip and main beam being ridiculously un useable I took them out, re fitted philips extreme H4, now Osram nightbreakers(last longer) and haven't looked back.
The kit I had was a H4-4, that is HID on dip and main.
A headlight is merely a unit to reflect light, it doesn't matter what the light source is it gets reflected, the reason projector lights are superior is just that they have vastly better more accurate optics than just a std type headlight.
If you don't dazzle at the end of the day you won't get stopped, but nightbreakers and philips extreme are well worth a try first, and a lot cheaper.
I have rewired mine through relays, one for each dip and main in each headlight, and wired it so that when the headlights are turned on the dip wire from the dip/main stalk is fed directly by the main light switch so that dip is on even on main beam, makes a huge difference, pull back the flash next time at night driving to see the effect of both beams on.
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rutts
bang some osram night breakers in i got some and there ok was going to go hid but like people say above its not law
what are they like? have you got any pictures or anything?
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tabetha
Are you seriously worried about being 100% LEGIT ?, seriously hands up who never speeds for example, this is also illegal!!
At the end of the day, if they produce a decent beam pattern on the mot machine, and appear the correct colour, they will pass whether it is a torch taped inside the light or a candle, the light source for mot is totally irellevant.
The issue arises due to older lights not being as accurate in design, and the hid being around 3 times brighter, any scattered light is also 3 times brighter.
I put 5000K HID in a mk3 astra, it PASSED the mot, the beam on the machine was perfect, but I noticed out on the road viewing the car driving towards me the offside headlight dazzled, seemingly too high, the nearside one was perfect, light output on the ground was ace though, I couldn't dip the dazzling light enough to stop it dazzling, so due to this and the "height" difference between dip and main beam being ridiculously un useable I took them out, re fitted philips extreme H4, now Osram nightbreakers(last longer) and haven't looked back.
The kit I had was a H4-4, that is HID on dip and main.
A headlight is merely a unit to reflect light, it doesn't matter what the light source is it gets reflected, the reason projector lights are superior is just that they have vastly better more accurate optics than just a std type headlight.
If you don't dazzle at the end of the day you won't get stopped, but nightbreakers and philips extreme are well worth a try first, and a lot cheaper.
I have rewired mine through relays, one for each dip and main in each headlight, and wired it so that when the headlights are turned on the dip wire from the dip/main stalk is fed directly by the main light switch so that dip is on even on main beam, makes a huge difference, pull back the flash next time at night driving to see the effect of both beams on.
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so top and bottom of it, what kit would you recomend i install?
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 02:01 PM
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ive had 3 cars with aftermarkets kits in and all have passed mots with them fitted, as long as they are angled correctly and produce a beam pattern they are fine.
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RS20004x4
ive had 3 cars with aftermarkets kits in and all have passed mots with them fitted, as long as they are angled correctly and produce a beam pattern they are fine.
I'd be having them propperly installed and set up anyway, this friend of my dads runs a car electrics installation company (audio, lights etc) so we get mates rates. what kits did you use, any good?
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Originally Posted by sutherland666
I'd be having them propperly installed and set up anyway, this friend of my dads runs a car electrics installation company (audio, lights etc) so we get mates rates. what kits did you use, any good?

Why not ask the guy who installs different kits which he recommends?
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Originally Posted by R5FORD
Why not ask the guy who installs different kits which he recommends?
he told me to come on this forum and ask other people with fiesta's, i figured thatd be the best way to find out whats what too
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Not only are they illegal, but they are also gay as fuck. I had them on a few different cars a few years back, never passed an MOT with them, always got flashed by oncoming cars as they dazzled, had no beam pattern and to top it off, when I binned them for a decent set of uprated halogens, they produced a much better light.

Sounds to me like you just want a HID kit cos it looks gert lush wikid innit down mcdonalds car park than having a decent set of headlight bulbs that actually work!
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 02:49 PM
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Just leave the retrofit kits alone. I've never seen one that looks any good, the performance will never be as good as a OEM fit Xenon setup. Regardless of how well an aftermarket set up is aligned, there will be plenty of glare.

Just make the best of what you've got, and when the time comes to change, buy a car with Xenons fitted.
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Originally Posted by Rich170
Not only are they illegal, but they are also gay as fuck. I had them on a few different cars a few years back, never passed an MOT with them, always got flashed by oncoming cars as they dazzled, had no beam pattern and to top it off, when I binned them for a decent set of uprated halogens, they produced a much better light.

Sounds to me like you just want a HID kit cos it looks gert lush wikid innit down mcdonalds car park than having a decent set of headlight bulbs that actually work!
haha i see where your coming from mate, top and bottom of it is, i just want some better headlights. how were the uprated halogens? i just want something descent, i do a lot of night driving (most of my driving) and the standards just cant hack it
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If you have trouble with a sat of uprated halogens, then you're doing something wrong (not saying you are btw) I've only got halfrauds 'ultra blue' bulbs in mine (whiter light, not blue) because I got them cheap when I worked there. I do alot of night driving (finish work at half 10) and never have a problem.
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trawl ebay for some oem xenon fiesta headlights and fit them

you may need to get the wiring loom from the headlight as well though as most tend to have double the wires
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Originally Posted by dojj
trawl ebay for some oem xenon fiesta headlights and fit them

you may need to get the wiring loom from the headlight as well though as most tend to have double the wires
ah well i would be fitting them, this wiz kid would be. have you used them before?
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Originally Posted by zetec-Sam
If you have trouble with a sat of uprated halogens, then you're doing something wrong (not saying you are btw) I've only got halfrauds 'ultra blue' bulbs in mine (whiter light, not blue) because I got them cheap when I worked there. I do alot of night driving (finish work at half 10) and never have a problem.

what size bulbs would i need for a mk6 fiesta (2007)? think il just do that mate, save me arsing about with mot
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i have these in my focus and the beam pattern is perfect

you often get issues as the bulbs are longer but stick with 6000k bulbs or below, as long as the bulbs fit correct then you should have too many issues

they are illegal as stated, as long as they aren't really blue, point in the right direction i wouldn't expect trouble.....a friendly MOT man helps
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Originally Posted by sutherland666
what size bulbs would i need for a mk6 fiesta (2007)? think il just do that mate, save me arsing about with mot
It a facelift I take it? If so, needs 472 (H4) bulbs for dipped/main beam.
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Originally Posted by sutherland666
ah well i would be fitting them, this wiz kid would be. have you used them before?
i retro fitted them to my mondeo and other than trying to source the actual lighting circut, it was easy once i knew what wires to connect where

they shuld have auto adjustment on the angle so this is the major issue in trying to wire them in, plus they need 2 live feeds and 2 earths
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I fitted a HID kit in the end, been on for a few months now....the bulbs are a bit crap though, im wanting to swap them for some better quality HID bulbs if this is something that can be done???

They're H4's, just had a quick look under the bonnet at the power-transformer-thingy's which say on them

"HID 35-MD-03
V in 9-16v
V norm 13.5
l norm 3.2A
l in max 10A
P out 35W norm
T case -40 - +105degrees c"

then it reads to the side "vout 23kv max"

so if anyone knows wether i can swap these bulbs for brighter ones, or any help at all this would be much appreciated as im an electronics retard.

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