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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 02:50 AM
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After a diesel turbo, not fussed what cc bigger the better as i can afford to insure anything diesel.

Want to downsize from my 2000 zetec 2 litre mondeo mk2 runabout, to a small/medium sized turbo diesel hatchback, preferably 3 door as im single male without kids and dnt need a big car really.

So far ive been looking at focus TDCi, astra mk4 dti and 206 HDi , the only other preferences are it must be 2000 reg or newer (older diesels are shite well the few ive had have been gutless smokey old tanks ) max of £1500 to spend.

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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 03:13 AM
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Didn't read the bit about your budget... Nevermind!

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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 05:20 AM
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focus. They drive really nice.
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 05:39 AM
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focus or my lass had had 2 206 hdi never had any problems
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 06:01 AM
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MK4 golf tdi, used to have a gttdi....which id kept it now....

make sure its a rotary pump( metallic rocker cover), NOT the PD engines (black plastic rocker cover)
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 06:12 AM
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i bought a 1997 306 1.9 diesel non turbo the other week for running around in its spot on so cheap to run ideal cheap car 500 quid i payed 12 months mot 6 months tax
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 06:45 AM
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...36uw?logcode=p

Any good?
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 08:27 AM
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Focus would be my shout.

Just be careful of the diesel ones as they suffer from DMF issues although don't believe they suffer with injector problems like the Mondeo does.

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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 08:34 AM
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my ashtray dieseasel
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 08:34 AM
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1600 TDCi Focus mate - can't go wrong.
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Thanks people, R4N SS ive messaged you back thankyou.
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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Golf or a3 would be my choice,really good motors.
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by offitmassive
MK4 golf tdi, used to have a gttdi....which id kept it now....

make sure its a rotary pump( metallic rocker cover), NOT the PD engines (black plastic rocker cover)
Most useless post? Please tell everyone why he should avoid the PD engine?

So that is all the later 110, all 115, 130 and 150 brake spec golfs, a3s, ibizas and leons.
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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Mk 4 Golf GT TDi - i had a 150 model with a remap and it was great. Quick enough and economical
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Originally Posted by carlfiesta999
older diesels are shite well the few ive had have been gutless smokey old tanks

IMO it's the newer diesels that are shite. The more refinement they build into them seems to affect reliability, with DMF's, direct injection etc.

If I were looking for a Focus diesel, I'd be wanting an older TDDi without all this common rail bollocks and dual mass flywheels!
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich170
IMO it's the newer diesels that are shite. The more refinement they build into them seems to affect reliability, with DMF's, direct injection etc.

If I were looking for a Focus diesel, I'd be wanting an older TDDi without all this common rail bollocks and dual mass flywheels!
I'm rattling around in that very car, a MK1 TDDI Ghia hatch.

It is the old old 1.8 lump that has been used for about 25 years. Ford did fit a Bosch VEP direct injection system to it on the Focus though. The same system that VAG use in their older and more reliable diesel engined cars.

As above there is no stupid DMF to go wrong and no fancy variable vane turbo to fail either.

Bullet proof.

The only real risk is the pump failing but that is the same with any derv.

I bought mine as a stopgap after my A6 got written off last year. Instead of replacing the Audi, I settled the finance on it and have kept the Focus as I like it so much and saved a fortune.

As for VAG TDI's the old VEP pumped 110hp engine is the daddy. The PD's are ok but do not get a 115hp version as they are prone to head gasket failure. The 130 hp version is the best all rounder.
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich170
IMO it's the newer diesels that are shite. The more refinement they build into them seems to affect reliability, with DMF's, direct injection etc.

If I were looking for a Focus diesel, I'd be wanting an older TDDi without all this common rail bollocks and dual mass flywheels!
lol a guy at work has just shelled out nearly a grand for a new clutch and flywheel on his focus TDCi, if i was to buy a focus/mondeo id want to see a reicept for both jobs done! if its going to be french it will be a 206 and nothing else, i had a 306 phase 3 i crashed at 20mph and the engine fell out! im liking the astra R4N SS has, just trying to raise funds!
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 02:04 PM
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Golf TDi (or other VAG), Focus is ok. 206 is a Peugeot and I find them generally unpleasant and I would rather walk than set foot inside a Vauxhall (in fact I frequently did as I often left the ex's Corsa parked outside and walked rather than have to drive the thing )
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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I have the focus tdci sport 53plate and its a cracking car, nice and sporty. Its got 142000 on the clock and still runs fine with no problems, had it remapped at msd and its great !

Golf gt tdi's are great cars too! Infact all diesels are good as long as there serviced well.
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 03:11 PM
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I would go for a Focus / Mondeo TDDI.
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pug 306 but a HDI!!! not a 1.9 diesel whatever

the 2.0HDI 90 will do like 60mpg, still look good really and seem pretty cheap these days
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by m4tt274
pug 306 but a HDI!!! not a 1.9 diesel whatever

the 2.0HDI 90 will do like 60mpg, still look good really and seem pretty cheap these days

I drove my old bosses 306 hdi, it went really well
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Originally Posted by nick-21
Most useless post? Please tell everyone why he should avoid the PD engine?

So that is all the later 110, all 115, 130 and 150 brake spec golfs, a3s, ibizas and leons.
No need to get arsey is there??
Im a VAG technician, the PD injectors are prone to fail and at £400 a pop, is it worth the money? Whereas a standard injector can be removed by the likes of you, and sent to a diesel specialist e.g panda diesels and get the injector overhauled, OP has asked for opinions and ive given mine. You may find 110bhp is not a PD after all. but 115 onwards is.
And at the price £1500, can you find a looked after PD VAG car??

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As for VAG TDI's the old VEP pumped 110hp engine is the daddy. The PD's are ok but do not get a 115hp version as they are prone to head gasket failure. The 130 hp version is the best all rounder.

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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by offitmassive
No need to get arsey is there??
Im a VAG technician, the PD injectors are prone to fail and at £400 a pop, is it worth the money? Whereas a standard injector can be removed by the likes of you, and sent to a diesel specialist e.g panda diesels and get the injector overhauled, OP has asked for opinions and ive given mine. You may find 110bhp is not a PD after all. but 115 onwards is.
And at the price £1500, can you find a looked after PD VAG car??
Not really arsey at all, you did not explain any reasoning and when you were writing off so many options i thought it would be more useful if you explained why. Which you have done now and stating your an actual VAG technician there is (hopefully) some good advice.

And no i completely agree that a £1500 pd engine is likely to have more miles than the sun and be run down hence being at that price and not worth a £400 risk.

You may find 110bhp is not a PD after all. but 115 onwards is
That is what i was trying to say, only late 110 engines are PD but all 115, 130 and 150 are.
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Old Dec 22, 2010 | 04:41 PM
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No 110's were PD, they were VEP pumped.

The PD started with the problematical 115

Later they introduced a 105 though.
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Originally Posted by Colin_P
No 110's were PD, they were VEP pumped.

The PD started with the problematical 115

Later they introduced a 105 though.
Just what i said

you need specialist tools to remove a pd injector, and a deep wallet, the standard VEP pumped injectors can be removed with standard injector sockets,and can be bought new at £110,or have the nozzles replaced by a specialist.

I wish id kept my 110bhp gttdi, if i had £1500, thats where my money would go...especially in summer running it on 35% sunflower oil lol !!!
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