Well i did my first track session at ford fair which is only bout 15 minutes-20mintes. but every lap id do i would then have to do a cool down half lap as the needle would be nearly touching red..

Ive done head gasket not so long ago as a precaution so there are no underlying problems. put fans on a switch and had interior heaters on full but it still killed my fun having to back down every lap.

Eventually will fit water injection but for now the only thing i can think of is to not run a water cooled turbo and block the feed off, as im guessing being on constant full boost is cooking the water.

I changed my coolant recently so maybe an air lock, will bleed system again nxt time im home.

Would like to know what your current set ups/ideas are for keeping a cossie cool.

cheeRS

 

How old is your radiator?

They get less efficient as they corrode and get covered in shite.

A decent condition good quality radiator is probably all you need.

Water wetter is a good upgrade to the coolant too.

 

Oh yeh forgot bout water wetter. got a few bottles at work will try that

Rad age is unkown. prob doesnt help with an rs500 cooler blocking it either.

 

good alloy rad turbo pre rad that helps alot and mapped water injection

 

buy the spec r uprated cooling system with new style intercooler better flow to rad etc

 

Yeah the RS500 intercooler doesnt do the rad any favours, definately important you have a decent radiator when using a 500 cooler.

As mentioned above a turbo pre-rad would be a good idea too to take some more heat out of the system, standard intercooler 2wd/4wd location is a fairly good place for it when using a 500 cooler.

 

First port of call should be a new radiator. No point in doing anything until you have done this. Next think is alloy header tank with high pressure cap (which will raise the boiling point of the coolant - use a 50/50 glycol mix).

Then you can help by sealing the intercooler to the radiator as the air will always take the path of least resistance, so once slowed down through the intercooler a lot of the air will be flowing around the outside of the radiator (if there are gaps for it to do so), rather than passing through.

Finally, get a proper temp gauage as the Ford one is WOEFULLY inaccurate and doesn't give you ANY idea of what water temps you are actually seeing....

 

what do you use to seal the intercooler to rad?

 

Nothing more exciting than draft excluder .

 

Thin ally sheet works well.

It doesnt need to be a totally airtight seal, just needs to be better than a gaping hole.

 

Nowt worse than a gaping hole

Steve

 

I'm looking into getting some Alloy sheet welded to the front of the intercooler (2" deep) as ducting so the air flow goes through the intercooler to start with.

 

stopping forced air being wasted sounds like a good call. will make some ally sheets at work.

Rainbird - the headertank cap sounds interesting.. as after a run when i turn engine off and pop bonnet i can hear the smallest bit of air escape squeaking from my headercap, its just a standard tank and cap. does this mean my caps nackered? think i got a fezzy cap in the loft which are the same fitment if i recall so will try that for now.

will invest in an alloy rad when funds allow

 

alwright ram, glad the clutch was ok
i also found that if your fan switch is moody and cutting in to early and running for long periods this cools the coolant to much and the thermostat shuts down even when giving beans, i put a new thermostat and a msd uprated fan switch in and mine runs nice and constant temp.

 

If you want to be super super sure fit a copper rad, loses temp a lot better than alloy.
It is quite normal for the cap to hiss slightly, after you switch off the coolant gets hotter absorbing heat that isn't being dissipated by the rad due to water pump having stopped circulating water.
Panelling in can be done with thin ply, but make sure you cut ridges in it east west wise in relation to the car, so in the even of a light bump it doesn't go through your rad also and ruin that, costs nothing but a few mins with a saw to cut some grooves, but potentially could save you a few hundred.
tabetha

 

sound advise there gents

not related to water temp, but you should also consider a oil cooler and a decent gauge to monitor temps, you dont want the oil too hot/thin

 

Good idea if you are certain that the oil gets that hot (again - re read the oil mans explanation on here for oil types and heat ranges)... so gauge first and cooler if needed

My 500 was missing its undertray when I first had it - the one that goes under the intercooler and holds the entry air flow in. One of the first things we noticed was how much cooler the car ran once we fitted it.

A Pace pre cooler is also on our car. Before fitting it we noticed temps rising a lot quicker when giving it beans - eg around Silverstone. The water coming out of the T4 must be silly hot on exit so, despite opinions to the contrary that I've seen expressed here, it worked for us and some of the other cars that we know.

Of course - we run a good old fashioned smiths gauge from the block itself... so no guessing like the Ford version - which has differed every time we have changed the sensor.

Just our experiences - but as Mike says - without good gauges it all becomes guesswork anyway.

 

Joe - Yes mate meant to message you to say thanks. its taken a lot of abuse so far and is lasting longer than i thought. got me out the shit that did

Thanks for all the advice chaps. a lot of things i can try/add to get the temps down For now im just gonna disconnect and blank turbo water feed, add water wetter, and channel more air to rad, As Trax isnt far away and untill i get paid end of this month i dont have luxury money!

Then the shopping will begin

 

yeah totally, i'd imagine being a track car the oil will get very hot - 20 minute track sessions with the car being driven hard will normally big oil temps.

first thing is to fit a gauge and see what temps your getting, if you see over 100 then time to fit a cooler

 

Scrap it!!! Lol!

How's it going mate (apart from getting a bit warm!)?

I gotta find time to bring your T34 up to you!!

 

one of those turbo coolers might be a good idea mate??

Do you like dags

 

I completely disagree. I would only fit an oil coiler if the oil was REGULARLY exceeding 115-120°C. On the Cosworth rally cars, they aim for oil temps of around 110°C, as this burns off any impurities (such as water from condensation) that get in the oil (which can reduce the protective properties).

I forgot to mention, I too have removed the water cooling from my T4 to give the coolant system an easier time....

 

 

So that'll be a water temp, oil temp, boost and maybe oil pressure gauge i need to house somewhere.. maybe i'll just get a secs moniter or similar

 

It's gonna start looking like the Millenium Falcon with all them gauges!!

 

lol!! ddaaaagggggss!!!

 

Yes you forgetful cnut!

Might do they greys and chip next month

 

Lol!! I'll bring it up soon!!! I promise!!

I wonder what the clutch will think of T34 and greys?!!

 

Good to hear. ive done it on all my previous rs turbos and has been a big help with cooling when boost is constant

 

Ill just put a few extra magic tree's in to hide the burning smell
Think im just gonna go paddle clutch. Im sure organic would be fine on a t34 but i managed to kill that last one on current t3 set up because i cant help launching like a cunt

 

You're just a hooligan!!! Lol!!

I can't wait to join you!!!!

How's the new runaround?

 

Just go for an AP 6 paddle mate, will be fine

 

New runaround? Did you give up with the laguna then Ram?

 

Yes mate shes got no compression in 3 & 4. must have leaned it out when injectors got blocked. But my mates taking all the new bits off and weve agreed he isnt chargin me a penny cuz he was too dumb to not compression test it before throwing a grands worth of bits at a dead engine just gonna sell it but isnt worth much now as a non runner so ive lost thousands

Got a £450 mk3 golf 1.8cl beast now. was bored one evening at worked so mopped it and slicked up bumpers she looks lovely now (these are real tears!)

 

Cheap runarounds is where it's at mate!!!

 

i had the same trouble with over heating when i left ford fair must of been the extra drag from my new stickers

 

Looooooool!! Hello mate. hows it goin? I got some pics if you want me to post them up Thought u wernt talkin to me Are you over the trauma now lol

 

You know it boy. especially when they got FSH and 12 month ticket I never want a modern french desiesel again

 

Oh dear!! so its fooked then

A mk3 golf 1800, even you probably wont be able to break that