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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 06:59 AM
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Gutted about this ash cloud, meant to be flying to teneriefe on Tuesday morning. Doesn't look like I'll be going now
Anyone else meant to be flying this week?
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 09:24 AM
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i was meant to go offshore yesterday but cant get but im happy about that cos im getting paid for it
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 09:30 AM
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I just can't wait for the free volvic when it rains!!
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 09:42 AM
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Well i just been hit on the head with a lasagne , black forest gateau and a garlic bagette , must be the fall out from Iceland
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 09:53 AM
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well its better than the engines picking up debris and litteraly disintergrating and the plane crashing, would have been nice to see a clowd of ash come over though...wold have made it more worth while

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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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im stuck out on a rig at the moment. Was supposed to have been back on thursday morning and flying to houston today.
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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I'm stuck in Amsterdam - 4 star hotel for nowt, flight home is on monday.
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Well the information we have here is that all flights are suspended until at least 01.00 GMT on 18/04/2010. This will be updated again at 15.00 GMT.

So many flights we have booked that are now on hold, so its gonna be a nightmare when these guys all want picking up again
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:20 AM
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I'm looking to book to fly to Sharm on Thursday for a week....

Reckon I should be okay? Scheduled flights due to take off as normal in the week?
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:23 AM
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i think airports here now are back to normal,sweden and we are closer to iceland than u.k
i think you,ll be ok rich
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:29 AM
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supposed to be flying from gatwick on monday to gran canaria.checked on the gatwick site and the gran canaria for this afternoon is scheduled so not sure if ok or not.gonna call airline tomorrow afternoon and find out
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 11:31 AM
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Important passenger information Suspension of all flights until 01.00 Sunday 18 April

Last updated: 08.30, Saturday 17 April
The cloud of volcanic ash continues to cover much of the UK. Following a review of the latest Met Office information, NATS – the air traffic control service – has confirmed that air traffic restrictions will remain in place in airspace above England until 01.00 (UK time) on Sunday 18 April, at the earliest.
Passengers should not travel to Gatwick Airport, but should contact their airline for re-booking information.
NATS will review the situation at 15.00 Saturday, and we will continue to update this site with the latest information available.
We are sorry for the disruption and inconvenience this will cause.
Airline contact numbers

British Airways: 0844 493 0787
easyJet: 08712 882 236
Flybe: 0871 700 2000
Ryanair: 0871 246 0000
Monarch: 0871 940 5040
Thomas Cook: 01274 724363
Thomson: 02476 282 501
Virgin: 0844 209 7706 / 0844 557 4002

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There is it....update will be at 15.00, but until then suspended til 01.00 tomorrow morning, but the way it looks is that will be moved again and still no flights!
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 02:07 PM
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I wouldn't mind being stuck over there, just fucking gutted I might be stuck over here when I've been looking forward to going. Never mind shit happens LOL
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 02:18 PM
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The floods have also washed away some great roads nearby as well, someone I post to lives in Reykavik, right near the volcano.
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OldDan
I'm stuck in Amsterdam - 4 star hotel for nowt, flight home is on monday.
Whereabouts in Amsterdam are you. I sty in the Marriott opposite the HArd Rock Cafe on weeknights. Was lucky to get a hire car and ferry for yesterday so drove home. Am driving back on Monday though.!!!
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...raffic-36.html

Really good read from current pilots

This Ash is going to cause kaos

KLM have sent up a 737 in Holland to test for damage to engines

If Katla blows then we could be in bother

This could turn into a huge problem and the potential for Airlines to go to the wall
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:20 PM
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To Quote

"I do not normally post on this forum as I'm not a pilot, but someone who had worked for RR Research and Development for some 20 years at their Parkside Works Coventry.
I Have always had the greatest respect for those who sit at the pointy end, but reading some of the postings on this thread leads me to believe that some are a little short of the full shilling, I have no problem with those who wish to committing suicide in fact I believe that is their human right, but I and other SLF have no wish to accompany them.
It has been stated more times than I care to think of, from both Engine Manufacturers and all of the other "Experts" that go to make your Shiny Alum Tube stay in the air. If even a small amount of volcanic ash is ingested into the engine it will melt in the combustion chamber and probably coat the combustion chamber cooling holes with glass, when that happens the flame just burns out the combustion chamber walls, so V hot gasses bypass the mouth of the chamber and turbine, creating havoc to say the least with the rest of the engine, that is without the problems of molten glass on the turbine blades and stator vanes. blocking the cooling holes on the leading and trailing edges of the vanes . As the combustion gasses temperatures are a lot high than the melting point of engines components not only will the turbine blades and vanes fail or start to melt, but also the compressor walls can be affected all of this leads to basically. No blades, no combustion chamber, no compressor walls, then your big alum tube becomes a very poor glider. Of course this doesn't include the abrasive effect on your big shiny tube and engines If this doesn't convince you doubters, I suggest you nip down to your local Garage or Engineering works and try standing in front of their bead or sand blasting equipment, when you have achieved that ,if there is any remains left of you,then come back here and tell everybody that this grounding is just over reaction, Me after reading some of your comments I have no intension of trusting my worthless life in your hands again, I'll stick to terra firma and I hope now that you experts in flying, will leave the experts in Engineering to advise on what is safest not only for the Aircraft and Engines but also possibly less in you opinion, us SLF"
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:23 PM
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My old man is stuck in Las Vegas - Been told by American Airlines that it will be 11 days before he can get a flight back to Manchester from Chicargo as there is a massive backlog

Ahh well - at least the house is a nicer place without him moaning like fuck all the time
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:24 PM
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Another interesting counter quote from a pilot

"I have flown in Nigeria for many years, and for 6 months of the year, up to about FL100 there is constant Harmattan dust in the air. Sometimes so thick that the visibility can be reduced to 400 M. Yet everyone keeps flying in this dust/sand from the Sahara. Yes, over time it erodes the turbine blades and things, but engines do not stop.

I understand that the BA Aircraft that had all engines stop flew through the thick plume created by the volcano near Indonesia.

So why is invisible ash deemed to be so dangerous"
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:27 PM
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A lass in the pub on Thursday night was supposed to be going to Tenerife yesterday,
Dunno if she was more gutted about not going yesterday or owing me £50 for the bet thinking she would because she is on a scheduled flight
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:29 PM
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[quote=steanlol;4854282]Well i just been hit on the head with a lasagne , black forest gateau and a garlic bagette , must be the fall out



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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DazS1Turbo
I understand that the BA Aircraft that had all engines stop flew through the thick plume created by the volcano near Indonesia.

So why is invisible ash deemed to be so dangerous"

Speedbird 009 to Australia piloted by Cpt Eric Moody (This was in 1982 I think) - flying over Jakarta (spelling?) at 32000 feet and hit the invisible ash.

Result of this was the engines became clogged with this ash after it ebing compressed and melted into a gloopy gel substance. After the engines had flamed out and the aircraft dropped in altitude the gel cooled, solidified and broke off and allowed the engines to "breathe" again and thus being restarted After this the plane landed safely at Jakarta airport but with all facing surfaces having the paint stripped off them and the windscreens shotblasted so the pilots could not see out of them

The Aircrash Investigation series on the National Geographic channel covered this incident in great detail - well worth a watch and is being shown at the moment (part of Season 5 of the program) on Nat Geo

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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Graceland
Speedbird 9 to Australia - flying over Jakarta (spelling?) at 32000 feet and hit the invisible ash.

Result of this was the engines became clogged with this ash after it ebing compressed and melted into a gloopy gel substance. After the engines had flamed out and the aircraft dropped in altitude the gel cooled, solidified and broke off and allowed the engines to "breathe" again and thus being restarted

The Aircrash Investigation series on the National Geographic channel covered this incident in great detail - well worth a watch and is being shown at the moment (part of Season 5 of the program) on Nat Geo
Is that the 1 where they thought they went through St Elmo's fire and the dust scored the windscreens?
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:33 PM
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Thats the bugger G
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Graceland
Speedbird 009 to Australia piloted by Cpt Eric Moody (This was in 1982 I think) - flying over Jakarta (spelling?) at 32000 feet and hit the invisible ash.

Result of this was the engines became clogged with this ash after it ebing compressed and melted into a gloopy gel substance. After the engines had flamed out and the aircraft dropped in altitude the gel cooled, solidified and broke off and allowed the engines to "breathe" again and thus being restarted After this the plane landed safely at Jakarta airport but with all facing surfaces having the paint stripped off them and the windscreens shotblasted so the pilots could not see out of them

The Aircrash Investigation series on the National Geographic channel covered this incident in great detail - well worth a watch and is being shown at the moment (part of Season 5 of the program) on Nat Geo
Cheers for that

Interesting stuff

PMSL at Big G Poor Lass
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This is what happend when the engines on Speedbird 009 became clogged with the "invisible" volcanic ash.
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DazS1Turbo

So why is invisible ash deemed to be so dangerous"
It sticks to the inside of the engine.
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:49 PM
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Is that because Volcanic Ash melts at relatively low temperature graceland?

Cant argue with that like
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 08:51 PM
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Daz - something around the 1100 celcius mark it melts at - bearing in mind a jet engine exceeds that temperature in the combustion core then it's going to cause some issues

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the bird left for spain on the wednesday before all this carry on & i made it offshore on the tuesday so im okay just now but if im home before she is its party time hahaha

but i couldnt beleive it when somebody on the rig said theres no flying becouse of a volcan in iceland
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Originally Posted by DazS1Turbo
Is that because Volcanic Ash melts at relatively low temperature graceland?

Cant argue with that like
Volcanic ash melts about around 600C. It really isn't a joke this sort of thing, you can not take risks in an aircraft.
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So if Katla blows it's top and Europe get's wind from the North we are in big trouble for a long time, these things can blow for months?

Could be bad times ahead just what the economy needs!
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Sensible people who have an idea about this sort of thing have predicted that the effects could last upto 6 months
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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bookwyse
Whereabouts in Amsterdam are you. I sty in the Marriott opposite the HArd Rock Cafe on weeknights. Was lucky to get a hire car and ferry for yesterday so drove home. Am driving back on Monday though.!!!
I am at the Fashion Hotel - Amsterdam Lelylaan.

got a flight booked monday but I don't think it will go TBH.
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