This seems to happen a lot these days. Especially with stolen motorbikes/mopeds because the police dont want to get blamed if the bikes crash and the scum dies.

Am i the only one who thinks this is pathetic and actually encourages joyriders to act like dicks more knowing they can get away as the police will give up???

Sorry but fuck them if they choose to run from the police and get killed. only they are responsible.

EVERYONE has the choice to not run from the cops so why is it the cops are blamed when the scum cunt runs and gets killed???

Its pathetic! this is the only country that lets people get away from the cops incase the scum kills themselves!! Look at the yanks, they NEVER give up in a chase.

The slim chance of someone innocent being killed is small compared to the fact these people need stopping. Far more people are at risk long term by allowing joyriders to get away and keep doing it compared to locking the shits up!! A far stronger message would be sent to youths if the police never gave up. Im sure some of these teens would be discouraged when thier best mate is killed trying to evade the police. They wont get much of a addrenaline kick when they are dead will they

People might think im being harsh but ultimately if the police cant pull people over if they run then whats the point of having police??? Its not a rocket scientist to work out that eventually all criminals will run and drive suicidally knowing the police will call off a chase. Hardly the message to be sent!!!

What do people think?? an american style pursue to the ends of the earth if needs be policy, or a whimp out when the going gets tough policy we have here?? after all we cant have people taking risk these days can we

 

Watchin Road Wars by any chance???

 

howd you guess its not just that show, seen it loads before elsewhere. The show just reminded me and boiled over the rage

 

The yanks never give up a chase simply because they go overkill with everything.I once witnessed a armed robbery whilst in the states,It was busy.I have had a clean license for 20years but personally have been in quite a few chases in years gone by,cars and bikes.It is scary getting chased on bike by a squad car seeing as they get so close and did used to try and knock you off !!.Not stolen bikes I might add but just not legal.Young and stupid springs to mind for bikes (and banned for 3 years in total).Cars other people driving in which then you have no control over.For me it was just one of those things growing up,which is exactly what I did "grew the fuck up".
There is still so many people doing twoc around my way and these days is just stupid imo.At least its not the early nighties I wouldnt get my Coz Insured

 

I think your agrument is abit one sided. You have to way up the costs, is it not better to end the chase if the police honestly feel a serious accident could happen?

 

although Rax, im sure youd accept that if you crashed on a chase or they rammed you off the road then youve only got yourself to blame.

For some reason our societys gone the other way where no one is encouraged to take personal responsibility for thier actions.


Yeah true what you say about thefts in some areas of stoke thats why my insurance here is Ł300 a year more than the nice safe posh gated estate in plymouth i was renting at a couple years back

 

saaamon these thieves/joyriders are often repeat offenders if allowed to get away.

Such drivers put lives at risk every time they speed round. For a lot of those lads its a hobby and something to do, so they do it loads. They cant put anyone at risk if they are in prison or dead can they???

 

I couldn't agree anymore, but don't they normally get the helicopter on the case before they back off?

 

Yep,your dead right.You do only have to have your self to blame for getting in the chase in the first place.A couple of years ago we had a lad come off a motocross bike being chased by the police on the road on my estate and he was injured quite bad.His own fault simple I think the police may of taken the blame though for chasing him,since my auntie married a policeman who works for Birmingham ASU sort of changed how you look at things lol.

 

Thats the thing i dont get Rax, its plainly the lads fault yet lets blame the police for this lads lack of common fucking sense to pull over and lack of riding skills

Although ive noticed its a common perception in really rough areas to blame the police for everything "it wouldnt have happened if you wernt picking on my lad" etc It wouldnt have happened if he had license, insurance, mot, tax etc let alone being on a stolen bike, failing to stop and trying to out run the police

I dont get why the concept that the police leave you alone if your kosher, is that hard to understand??

thats relying on the police chopper being both airbourne and local at the time as well as not already having a higher priority tasking. A lot of these chases round estates are all over in a couple minutes as the idiots drive deliberately too fast, without a helmet recklessly etc to bait the cops.

 

I have replyed to your PM,I have also texted you.
I also agree with what you posted last

 

It's simple. Youths on bikes mean that the risk far outweighs the benefit. Forces across the country don't want dead kids as a result of pursuits. Plus bikes are naturally quicker than cars, so forces don't want their drivers ragging the GP's to death trying to keep up and inadvertently wiping out other cars or pedestrians.

There are plenty of misinformed members of the public out there who are ready to jump on the bandwagon at a moments notice.

The kids who normally steal bikes are too thick to see the bigger picture and will always "come round again", so the necessity for pursuit isn't as important as first thought.

I agree with your sentiments though. Five kids down here stole a car, were pursued by the police. Car crashed, and all five died. Officer pursuing got dragged through the courts despite being a long way back from the car, and all for nothing in the end. The inbreds couldn't quite get it that their precious children had stolen a car, and had no right to be driving it.

At the funeral of one of these kids, one gormless mate was quoted as saying "Why isn't anyone showing them some respect?". He'd obviously forgotten that his friends had robbed countless people, assulted others and generally made life miserable for the residents of the local streets where he lived.

Darwin's theory is pefectly illustrated.

 

They make me fucking sick when their child has been killed because they've been chased in a stolen car and the parents give it large. There was one local to us last year and he crashed and died in someone else's pride and joy and his Mother was all over the papers claiming the Police killed their Son, and they had harrased him.

These people shouldn't be allowed kids.

Benni.

 

its shocking isnt it. If they didnt pinch the vehicles in the first place the cops wouldnt have to chase them.

 

if any one stole any of my vehicles i hope the vehicle would kill them !!! years ago i would place a thin peice of wood with fish hooks under the drivers seat cover

A camcorder video fitted to riders helmet here
the american cops do go over board

 

Typical of this country, and the mentality of the chav scum who nick the cars and bikes in the first place, I get really wound up by the total lack of intelligence of these people.

'My little Tommy would still be here today if the 'filth' coppers hadn't have been chasing him'

We're basically a bunch of pussies afraid to dish out real punishment and detterants.

Remember that vid on youtube of the South African police iirc, chasing a pick up truck, shooting at it repeatedly, then the copper leans out of his car at high speed and jumps into the back of the pick-up, like something out of an indiana jones film, and brought the pursuit to an abrupt halt.

The argument of they'll 'come round again' is all well and good, but we should be trying to prevent these petty crimes in the first place, not just accepting that we'll catch the little scrotes eventually once they've racked up a good few offences at the expense of the tax payer.

My ex used to hold the exact opposite opinion and used to say the police shouldn't be chasing them, it's 'disgusting' etc, needless to say, we used to argue like fuck about this as well as many other things we didn't see eye to eye on!

 

Exactly!! its the PUBLICS mentality in the poor areas where such things go on thats wrong when they would rather support the joyriders/TWOCERS/Scum teens than the police trying to stop them!!

and they only come round again because the criminal justice system is so fucking pathetic that they cant punish these kids. Does that mean the police should give up on them and not pursue them as "theres no point"?? no of course not.

The more you chase them and catch them, the more offences they will rack up and either they will be dead from a crash or in prison eventually. If there dead, the problem is solved permenantly and if in prison as our prisons dont deter people it wont stop them reoffending BUT it will mean they cant offend for the 4 months they are locked up. Long term longer prison sentances and harsh discipline routines for youth offending institutes are the solution rather than the softly softly approach that on its own does NOT work.

 

my solution.. give the police guns and let them shoot at the stolen cars/car theifs to stop them.

they'll soon learn if they steal a car they will be shot, it'll soon bring the numbers of car thefts down, either by deterring them or killing the fuckers off.

 

This is the example I was thinking of by the way, no nonsense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tmz7FSfZ00&feature=fvw

 

thats the spirit!

 

two words national service

 

I think the only valid argument for ending a pursuit without capture is if it's in broad daylight, rush hour for example, and 'little tommy' goes ploughing through a bus stop full of kids waiting for the school bus, regardless of where the fault lies, it'd be better 10 kids surviving than catching little tommy just to slap him on the wrist and let him go again.

 

It wouldnt work mate, I know a few people in the forces and suggested this to see what they would say, the one in the Royal signals said he didnt like the idea but if it happened he'd go along with it, the one in the Para's said he would never have one of those stupid little pricks anywhere near him with a loaded gun and would prefer to shoot them and "go it alone".

The video was awesome

 

Totally off topic.Was it you warren that i saw on Midlands news today talking about mental health????

 

Yeah
the national service "model" would work, but not "Armed" National service. Dont give the shits guns!!

BUT what they do need is the discipline, boundaries, respect, fitness, ability to think for themselves, etc that military style national service would bring.

Strangely all those skills/character traits used to be part of normal parenting.... so thats where the bigger problem lies, yes we can correct the damage in many cases with harsh discipline, but the better option is to sort the parenting out.

 

Knowing a couple of police pursuit drivers, the main reason to back off from a "chase" is actually public safety, and not the safety or well being of the suspect being chased. By backing off and keeping distance, the suspect usually slows down a bit and takes less chances, meaning there's a reduced chance of a member of the public being killed or injured.

The back off is not in every case either, just ones that represent significant, or increased danger to either the public, the officers, and yes, also the suspects.

Also, the Americans don't go on "ends of the earth" chases. They only chase to the borders of their jurisdiction, and when reached, the chase is turned over to the officers of that state/county to continue if need be. Also, they also back off if needed to "calm" a chase if significant or increased danger is posed to the public/other motorists.

 

thrush we know that about pursuit drivers backing down but as i said, backing down for public safety just tells the shits to drive even more like cunts knowing they will back off. Plus a lot of the joy riders WANT a chase so will slow down to a crawl to allow the cops to catch then speed off to bait them more!

Remember these lads are doing this most of the day not just when the cops are around. They dont steal a car, just wait for the cops then speed off they raz round in it from the moment they steal it until they dump it. Catching them means they build up offences quicker and get locked up quicker and while in prison cant steal cars and thus the public are safer.

 

Totally agree with the OP!! There was one near us a few months back, two kids on bikes, one being a moped, and one being a 600 Ninja!! Both were speeding when old bill went the other way, they spun round, lights and sirens on, and gave chase!! The kid on the ped stopped but the Ninja never, so they carried on, only to come round a corner to see the kid had crashed it, and subsequently killed himself!!

His stupid mate on the ped was slating the Police, saying they shdnt have been chasing them, they wasnt doing anything wrong. He then said 'why didnt the Police stop behind me, i pulled over for them but they jus chased Billy and now his dead'

Well, dickhead, if there after 2 bikes, one stops and one dont, the one that dont ovbiously has something to hide, so they pursued that one!! Turns out little Billy was only 17, therefore shouldnt have been riding such a high powered bike, hence why he didnt stop!! Luckily it was 2 in the morning so injury to the public was reduced, but how is any of it the fault of the Police??

 

whats the phrase they use a funerals for criminal scum?? oh thats it "lovable rogue"

 

Or

'Little Billy wouldnt hurt a fly, why would they cahse him like that, he was a decent lad'

GTF!!! You loose all human rights when u break the law!!

 

yeah a "decent lad" who was on the rob, TWOCing, joy riding, drinking underage, probably on drugs/soon will be. And if he refuses to change his life will amount to nothing paid for by state benefits while he commits crime goes in and out of prison, realises what a looser he is and turns to alcohol or heroin for 10 years and becomes even more of a menace to society to feed his addiction. yeah a right decent lad

just think that kid that died probably had his 15 year old girlfriend pregnant and now the cycle will continue as the mother neglects parenting and tells the son as he grows up to hate the police as they killed his dad and hence when the sons a angry teen he does exactly the same

 

pmsl, thats soo fuicking true!! Its all a downhill spiral, all tho im a drug user, that is the only law i break!! Granted by my own statement 'You loose all human rights when u break the law' im contradicting yaslef, but i smoke canibus, thats it, nothing more, ive never ever stolen to pay for my habit!! But these little fuckers seem to think that its ok to run riot and ruin peoples lives, but its ok cos 'he was a decent lad to me' Well he werent nice to the oldf lady he mugded to pay for his habit

 

Wanna rethink that comment everytime you "stray" over the speedlimit then huh?

 

Was that the Mini which crashed in Garston/speke area?

 

Yea, but the difference is, id stop for old bill, not run, therefore putting more innocent peoples lifes at risk!! Who doesnt stray over the limit?? There is a time and a place for all that, and ive already learnt that the hard way!!

Theres a slight difference between 'straying' over the speed limit and running from old bill

 

Very commical some of the replies on this thread

we have all been young and done stupid things

the real criminals are the people running this country, they fleece you of your hard earned cash and squander it to live a lavish lifestyle,

some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee or turn around and smell what you're shoveling


Luciano

 

Charlie theres a massive difference between the once in a lifetime nicking dads car, driving it round block that many teens have done and TWOC/Joyriding/police chases/going to prison etc etc

Yes politicians are criminals but TWOCers, joy riders, thieves are just as real criminals.

The politicians can only take partial blame for not allowing the criminal justice system to beat sense with decent sentancing and strict prisons.

Remember these kids CHOOSE to steal cars, they CHOOSE to joyride, they CHOOSE to run from the police, they CHOOSE to reoffend despite KNOWING what they have done is wrong and highly illegal.

Yes they havent had the best parenting, or the best schools, but these people all had choices and made the wrong choice, not just once or twice (nobodys perfect, we all make mistakes) but multiple times regularly over a long period of time.

Even a kid from a shit family in a shit area in a comphrehensive can CHOOSE to work hard at school and CHOOSE not to get involved in crime/gangs/joyriding etc. Yes its hard work and might make life difficult having no friends at school etc but it is achievable for most people if they choose the hard option (which gives a good future) rather than the easy option (with a shit future).

People are PERSONALLY responsible for their actions. Like most people in this country, im fed up of people using the "hard done by" excuse for criminal behaviour.