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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:02 PM
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Wasted yesterday travelling 1000 miles for a car that my friend had decided that he wanted from the description, pictures sent and from questions and answers which they had about condition, mechanicals etc...

Just in case anyone is in the market for an STi Type R then this is the car in question, which has also been for sale on Pistonheads.

You can see comments from the seller, my mate (Melly) and me...

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/private-sal...ti-type-r.html

Total waste of time and money, 1000 mile round trip..

Can't believe the guys brass neck at letting us travel such a distance knowing that the car he had described was complete fiction. If that car is "very good condition" then I would seriously hate to see what his idea of an average car is.. more than likely be sitting 3 cars high at your local scrapyard.

Had a good laugh through the day, real shame that we weren't driving home in a Scoob, but nothing handles being nailed to the floorboards in 5th as well as a hire car... so the trip home was probably better that way!! Oxford to Perth, 386 miles, in 4hrs 40mins.


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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:04 PM
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What was the car like when you got there?
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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Haha, I know that feeling, me and a mate trekked to Bolton this morning to see a similar bullshitter living in a dreamland.

Not quite a 1000 miles round trip though, but still had a good laugh.
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:07 PM
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Goes to show how much pictures can hide as it looks a nice car in the add.Must be very annoying i bet you wernt happy when you pulled up and got out to look at it.
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:27 PM
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How long did you spend looking round it ?

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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:35 PM
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bugger!
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:38 PM
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Just read the link

I would not be happy

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Spent 10 minutes looking over the car, that was enough time to know that it wasn't right...


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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:43 PM
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how did you spend Ł600 on traveling to see it?
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:43 PM
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wasted a day recently so now how you feel. The pics I had been sent were over 10 years old

Within 2 minutes of seeing the car I knew I had been fooled.
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5 minutes in the link
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by furqall
how did you spend Ł600 on traveling to see it?
I'd imagine hire car Ł200 then petrol for the trip. Maybe a brothel to let of some steam.
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:49 PM
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5 minutes in the link
Within 5 minutes I knew that it was wrong, but from the time we got out the car, to the time we got back into the car was probably about 10 minutes.

HTH with any confusion Dojj.

Train tickets were Ł300, Hire Car from Heathrow was Ł180, Train and Bus Tickets from Andover to Heathrow were Ł50-odd I think.


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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:54 PM
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not good mate had the same done a 500 mile around trip with my mate got there got out the car called him a cock drove off was a shed
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 04:56 PM
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Tell me about it mate, I took a half day from work yesterday to go and see a car. I'd decided by the time I got to his door I wasn't taking it - I even considered just driving away. It's a total pisser, I hate it.
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How bad was the back quarter grantman ?
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Stoo
Tell me about it mate, I took a half day from work yesterday to go and see a car. I'd decided by the time I got to his door I wasn't taking it - I even considered just driving away. It's a total pisser, I hate it.
Worked out ok today though
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unlucky mate, but think about it this way, you stopped this from happening to someone who lives further away (iirc one of the people interested is in France)

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To be honest with you Kevman.. it looked like it'd been painted with a tip-ex brush... lol, lots of small stroke marks. I'm not a bodywork expert, but it was like the car hadn't been prepared properly before the paint had been applied.

It was SERIOUSLY noticeable though, even if you were blind, you could have felt the shitey condition of the paint with your fingertips.

I know what you're saying about just taking off, but we were in a random place so needed to get back to the train station and start working out how we were going to get back home, 500-odd miles away.... given that it was 5pm on a Saturday afternoon at this point.


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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 05:08 PM
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Just read the Scoobynet link. Fuck that. I've done a 400-500 mile round trip with a pal to look at a car down south to find it was tatty, but that was in my car and the travel costs were nothing like that. I'd certainly be pissed if I'd spent what you two have.
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DarylC
unlucky mate, but think about it this way, you stopped this from happening to someone who lives further away (iirc one of the people interested is in France)

Yea thats true, and is the main reason I decided to put up my long and in depth reply on that thread... wouldnt want anyone wasting any meaningful time viewing this car.


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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GTi-R23
Haha, I know that feeling, me and a mate trekked to Bolton this morning to see a similar bullshitter living in a dreamland.

Not quite a 1000 miles round trip though, but still had a good laugh.
what car did you go looking at in bolton fella? rs ??
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 05:20 PM
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Just intrigued here really.....

Is the price of the car about right or is it above or below the average selling price?

What sort of condition do you expect an c80k mile 11 year old car to be in?

Following on from that - seeing as its cost your mate Ł600 quid to view it, would he not have been better to point out the obvious flaws and come to a better arrangement for price?

If the car was mechanically sound with the right sort of history then a few dinks and dents wouldn't stop me buying a car- in fact I would be happier that I'd got some money in my back pocket and able to use the car as intended and not shit myself everytime I parked it.

Not trying to cause trouble, just looking at it from a different perspective.

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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 05:21 PM
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What a ballache.

You bought one though?? Pics or STFU.
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Grant would it of cost less to rent a car for the day then leave the rental car with another depo?
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Originally Posted by RS Grant
To be honest with you Kevman.. it looked like it'd been painted with a tip-ex brush... lol, lots of small stroke marks. I'm not a bodywork expert, but it was like the car hadn't been prepared properly before the paint had been applied.

It was SERIOUSLY noticeable though, even if you were blind, you could have felt the shitey condition of the paint with your fingertips.

I know what you're saying about just taking off, but we were in a random place so needed to get back to the train station and start working out how we were going to get back home, 500-odd miles away.... given that it was 5pm on a Saturday afternoon at this point.


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Looked nice in the pics too,well out of order the cunt though.
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 05:33 PM
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Titty slapping christ feel for you mate i travelled 1000s of miles for cars only to find nowhere near as described, these days if ad has word mint in it 90%of the time its 90% poorly described ad and owners a clueless jumped up cant see the obvious cunt
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Originally Posted by Shings
Just intrigued here really.....

Is the price of the car about right or is it above or below the average selling price?
Yea, its priced reasonably well considering its described as a very good condition Version 6 STi Type R that has been mapped up etc..


Originally Posted by Shings
What sort of condition do you expect an c80k mile 11 year old car to be in?

Following on from that - seeing as its cost your mate Ł600 quid to view it, would he not have been better to point out the obvious flaws and come to a better arrangement for price?

If the car was mechanically sound with the right sort of history then a few dinks and dents wouldn't stop me buying a car- in fact I would be happier that I'd got some money in my back pocket and able to use the car as intended and not shit myself everytime I parked it.

Not trying to cause trouble, just looking at it from a different perspective.

J
J, we weren't expecting a mint car.. it IS 11 years old with a reasonable mileage under its belt.... however, being a 'specialist' car that had been described as being very good condition we were expecting something that didn't look tatty. Which this car did.

I also see your point about trying to knock down the price a little to compensate for the extra marks.. but there were just SO many extra marks, dents, bodywork issues that it would have required massive movement on the price to have even considered it...... plus, after seeing the car which he had mis-described, any trust and confidence that the car was straight had vanished.

Mechanically, the car wasn't in order either. The diff was knocking (prob a diff mount, not end of world) the rear brakes were sticking and the rear shocks seemed to be knocking too?


Originally Posted by Alan_D
Just read the Scoobynet link. Fuck that. I've done a 400-500 mile round trip with a pal to look at a car down south to find it was tatty, but that was in my car and the travel costs were nothing like that. I'd certainly be pissed if I'd spent what you two have.
Yea, however better to sack off Ł600 than get wired into someone elses problems to the tune of Ł6k.


Originally Posted by Lambchop
What a ballache.

You bought one though?? Pics or STFU.
Yea, got another UK Turbo mate.. not taken any decent pictures of the thing yet, there are a couple in my garage though.... if you have a look above my avatar picture there should be a link with some info??


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Originally Posted by wirralphil
Grant would it of cost less to rent a car for the day then leave the rental car with another depo?
Yea thats what we ended up doing mate, got a train from Andover to Woking, then a bus from Woking to Heathrow... phoned a few hire companies from Terminal 5 (which looks amazing!!) and ended up with a Passat TDi Highline to rip up the road. It was a 24hr hire and got dropped at Dundee Airport today.


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Least you might of got some aggerssion out on the hire car
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RS GRANT..

In that case totaly justified then.

Well done for taking the questions as intended, proof PF isn't totally fucked.
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Originally Posted by RS Grant
Yea, got another UK Turbo mate.. not taken any decent pictures of the thing yet, there are a couple in my garage though.... if you have a look above my avatar picture there should be a link with some info??


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ah so the civic sold at last?

must admit i thought oh oh when you said UK turbo but nice mods there and looks ok
6 speed conversion will be nice. is it quick then?
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Originally Posted by Shings
RS GRANT..

In that case totaly justified then.

Well done for taking the questions as intended, proof PF isn't totally fucked.
lol
Haha, I'm one of the original RSOC exiles mate... here for the banter and defo try not to take things too seriously!!


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ah so the civic sold at last?

must admit i thought oh oh when you said UK turbo but nice mods there and looks ok
6 speed conversion will be nice. is it quick then?
Yea the Civic is away mate, living down in London these days.

The scoob is nippy and with the JDM 6 speed its pretty quick through the box. I managed to pull a few car lengths away from a 375-380bhp EVO7 the other evening from one side of the speedo to the other, which I was pretty happy about.


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Originally Posted by supercaptaincrash
what car did you go looking at in bolton fella? rs ??

No, was just a Clio for his Mrs
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Originally Posted by RS Grant
Within 5 minutes I knew that it was wrong, but from the time we got out the car, to the time we got back into the car was probably about 10 minutes.

HTH with any confusion Dojj.

Train tickets were Ł300, Hire Car from Heathrow was Ł180, Train and Bus Tickets from Andover to Heathrow were Ł50-odd I think.


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read the link, the posted here, but in the meantime others had already posted, so that clears that up then

but it doens't stop it being a complete and utter mission for no reason at all

perhaps you could have asked the seller to knock off a grand for fucking you about and then seen what he said
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Originally Posted by Shings
RS GRANT..

In that case totaly justified then.

Well done for taking the questions as intended, proof PF isn't totally fucked.
lol
i,ll second that
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Originally Posted by RS Grant
The scoob is nippy and with the JDM 6 speed its pretty quick through the box. I managed to pull a few car lengths away from a 375-380bhp EVO7 the other evening from one side of the speedo to the other, which I was pretty happy about.


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eh?!?!

what power you pumping like? a 380 bhp evo is not shy! andy r's old mr 340 was fuel pumped and rempapped up to 380 and it was not shy!
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eh?!?!

what power you pumping like? a 380 bhp evo is not shy! andy r's old mr 340 was fuel pumped and rempapped up to 380 and it was not shy!
With the VF34 its running around 340bhp and 325lb/ft at the moment mate.. so its a bit different to a standard 215bhp UK Turbo.

I dunno how much an Evo 7 weighs, but its likely to be more than a Classic Impreza.. and from 50mph to just over three times that.. I went from being 2 car lengths behind at the start, to being 4 or 5 car lengths ahead of him when he gave me a flash of submission.

He's been telling people that its over 400bhp, however, it was on pistonheads advertised with a R/R printout for 375ish. Not sure about the torque figure is, or even what the estimated typical figure would be on an E7 engine at that horsepower.

I thought an E8 MR would have been near on 400/400 with a pump and remap from what I've read.. I had a run-in with John Banks in his a few years back in my old grey GT4 running c300bhp of home brew mods, and it embarassed me as it spooled off into the distance.


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