Right now i am sat watching the news and i cannot help but feel they are being a bit carefull with there wording, old brucie said 25 years ago any comment involving paki was pure humour and was as innocent as saying brit, as in british person. Is paki really offensive or is it like most things these days thrown out of proportion? I have no issues with any race, just know i have no issues being called a brit! (british) i believe paki means pakistany person.


Whats your thoughts.

 

Its just fookin crazy, the press just love another "race row" story. IMO its no worse than being called a Brit or a Scot etc.

 

I think you will find the prefered term now is asian male, surely someone must find it offensive or it would still be used like Brit but i do think this political correctness is going a bit far sometimes.

 

i think it depends on what is ment by it and how you use it. for me staying in glasgow, we have lots of slang words and shortend words. for me paki and chinky is just shortend slang. for instance i'm going to the paki shop or im going to the chinky for my dinner. i know some people take it all the wrong way. think the world has gone mad.

cheeRS john

 

Not the word, just it's connotations. Purely down to the way society has gone. Down the pan.

 

To me Paki is short for Pakistani a person from Pakistan

BUT

What pisses me off is the fact we are told we cannot dislike a race. We keep getting told we cant say things.
Whats wrong with someone not liking things or ways certain other people choose to live there lives.
Not liking the way say Pakistanis or Indians (not sure what ones Im talking about cos they all look the same to me) treat there women or shit all over the seats cos they musnt sit on the toilet properly, or washing there bollocks in hand washing basins before they pray etc. If those type reasons are good enough for someone to dislike a whole race then why cant they say that ?
It no different to labelling the youth of today as "chav scum" cos they choose to be fashionable and wear a hoddie.
Doesnt necessarily make all hoddies bad people or chav scum, but enough for most to dislike all young hoddie wearing kids.
We as individuals should be able to make our own minds up not have it forced fed to us how we must accept / put up with / like what other races do unequivacly without ever saying anything bad about them.

Steve

 

I am scottish, I'm called a scot. With that thought, I believe calling a Pakistani a paki for short should NOT be racist!

 

My thoughts exactly, the media seem to power the race row, its crazy it creates agro, too many narrow minded folk in charge.

 

Paki is viewed as a very offensive term for the simple reason that the BNP type brigades use it as one.

Thats how language works, its not what its short for spelling wise that dictates how its perceived when you say it to someone, its what its short for in terms of negative emotion and aggression and hatred.

Much like the word "CUNT" just means a very pleasant part of a women's body, but because of the way people use it, for some reason now if I walk up to the local vicar and call him one, he wont take is a compliment that I have referred to him as a term for a positive part of the body which the lord he follows created.

So yes Paki is an offensive term when scot or brit isnt, not because its short for the work pakistani, but because its commonly also used as a term that is short for hating them!

 

me too, going to the paki shop means going to the corner shop, and if it were offensive surely there would be a confrentation whilst paying for bread, just so happens i have a good laugh with the bloke who runs the local paki shop, also i love a good sweet and sour from the chinky. Its so harmless, why do they make such a big deal of it.

 

pakistan means clean/pure place/country
a bloke at work was called a paki he said yes i bath eveyday. no1 got it tho lmao
they dnt al take it the wrong way most of em r up laugh
just a few old skool pakistani's and the press make things so much worse

 

Shilpa Poppadom....is that racist?

Who cares really, f*cking PC worl........I mean....UK

 

You expect the right to be able to make decisions as an individual and yet you feel that you have the right to judge people not as one, but merely by the colour of their skin?

That seems very hypocritical to me.

I have one golden rule in life, I treat others how I wanted to be treated, which means that I treat them as an individual as that is how I want to be treated myself.

 

But you argue with everyone Chip, ya bloody hypocrit xxx

 

You said it how we all know it mate, and we really do know why it is offensive, i put it down to human rights laws and people that abuse it easily.

 

I do indeed argue with anyone I feel is wrong about something, but that doesnt make me a hypocrit, as correcting someone when they are wrong, is exactly the way I also would like to be treated as that way I can learn from it, just like others can if I correct them.

 

Does anybody think england would be a different place if strict immigration laws were introduced in the 60's?

 

Nah, that just makes you arogant because you think you're always right and everyone else is wrong. You stress to appose your opinions on others

I mean you're a hypocrit for saying "I treat other the way I want to be treated", so in turn means you want people to question your judgments and alienate you all the time

 

it's as simple as this
if a pakistani pisses u off at work or cut's u up on a road wot do u say??

fuckin asian?
fuckin pakisatni?
fuckin paki?

i bet it's always the last the last 1 thats y they find it offensive coz it's purly used in
bad way,

 

Yes, I think that it would be less developed than it is.

I feel that the cheap labour that we brought allowed us a better chance of competing with up and coming 3rd world countries with their cheap labour.

I realise most of our industry has died out now anyway, but I think it would have died out a lot sooner without the influx of cheap labour.


Right at this particular point in time I feel that this country broadly speaking has very little to gain from immigration as we dont particuarly have skills or labour shortages to the extent we did back then, but I do feel that historically immigration has been massively useful and that those people who came here in the 60s worked exceptionally hard to provide a future for their children who now very much deserve their place in our society so its a shame that some people forget that.

 

Nope I totally agree with you, well partly lol.
I do judge people as individuals, but that is the point you get people like you comming on trying to make someone like me look bad cos as a "whole" as a race I dislike a lot of the ways they live and do. But if an individual chooses not to follow the norm of there race I shall judge them accordingly, BUT also again often arround white people they act as we they feel we want them to, but when with there own they still revert back to there natural ways, so at the end of the day you have never really known the "real" person just what they want you to see, much like the internet and especially chat sites etc.
And yes I could give an example of this behaviour change of a black guy I used to work with when I was an apprentice, for the whole of the first year we was "mates" had our lunch together paired together etc, thought what a nice guy not like all you hear about blacks at all, second year we got another black in our class, and I was history lol, and he reverted back to some gang/ jungle culture, sucking his lips flicking his fingers, ras claud man talk going off doing drugs etc etc etc, people make themselves out to be what they believe other want to see !

Steve

 

what about the word nigger then, its offensive when a white person says it to a black person (even if they dont mean it in a racist way). But yet its not offensive when black people call each other nigger? It also makes me laught when i hear the young pakistani and indian lads calling each other nigger lol.

Also what is it with calling pakistani and indian people "asian" its like calling us european although we are we dont class ourselves as european were english scottish welsh etc.

The other thing that i dont get is when people refer to pakistani and indians as "ethnic" every single race int he world is ethnic. definition of ethnic .

a. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.
b. Being a member of a particular ethnic group, especially belonging to a national group by heritage or culture but residing outside its national boundaries

Doesnt that mean every single person in the world and not just everyone who isnt white "ethnic"

 

does it also not have something to do with the forever ongoing conflicts between india and pakistan, ie an indian is not a 'paki'

I am sure after WW2 alot of people would get upset if you called them German when they wernt, for example

 

Cant argue with a question mate, its simply there for opinions. It is more of a conversation starter looking for open opinions.

 

What gets me is that ethnic minorities in this country have a problem with the slang names they get called, but because English is a major language they understand everything we say to or about them. However, they can easily talk about us in their native tongue and we don't have a fucking clue what they are saying about us. God only knows what names we get called.

 

I think what I post is almost always right, for the simple reason that if I dont have a good confidence in something I dont say it at all.
This again follows the golden rule of treating others how I wanted to be treated, I dont make out I know about something if I havent got a clue, so I wish others wouldnt as well.

But DONT mistake my thinking that I am generally correct about the small number of things I comment on means that I also think I know about everything else as well, I dont.

I feel I know a reasonable amount about finance, politics, psychology, engines, turbos, ecus, mapping, suspension, computers

Thats about it though mate, which in a world of a million subjects makes me far from a know it all and I love learning from others about the things that they know all about, so again me passing on the knowledge on those limited number of subjects I have good knowledge of, is me treating others how I wanted to be treated as I would like them to share their knowledge with me too.

 

If you must refer to people as pakistani or indian, just make sure you get it correct.

I dont refer to welsh people as scottish for example, and would find it pretty easy to see why a welshman who is proud of his heritage doesnt want to be called scottish or english, so I can see why a japanese person doesnt want to be called a "chinky" or why an indian person doesnt want to be called a "paki", its not just cause they are slang terms, its cause they are the WRONG slang terms!

I wouldnt want to be called a krout o a frog for example, simply as its not accurate so why use the term at all if its totally wrong, but I dont mind being called a pomme or a limey.

 

Indeed britain is not the industry leader in manufacturing as it once were due to other countrys developing and improving our ideas. Today immigration is all about getting the most out of life no matter where you are, in my opinion europe and the uk is one big multi coloured country.

 

Bt thats not what i'm saying am i, its like calling a scot european a welsh man european and englich man european, although we are european we refer to ourselves as what country we are from not what continent lol

 

100% agree on that, if we developed a new language it would be illegal to speak it in public.

 

People use the term "ethnic" as a shortening for the term "ethnic minority" but in certain areas of britain, that would now suit me

 

i bet we've al been racist, al cum out wiv racist terms, laugh at racist jokes so who give's a shit!!!!!!!
these agruments happen day in day out forum after forum even the do-gooders
i bet they have shared a racist joke wiv there m8s. actually there so far stuck up there own arse they have no m8s!

CHIP i bet even you've been racist
pisses me off

 

But that is only true if you get the RIGHT country, thats my point.

India and Pakistan are two different countries, and Muslim and Sikh are too different religions, and yet most of the people I hear using the terms, dont know the difference or which one applies to which.
They call seikh's muslim which offends them and they call indians as pakistanis which offends them.

If you are going to use a term, at least make sure its the right term!

 

Im racist all the time mate, I make prejudgements about people on the basis of their race, im a human being and as such im not capable of not relating 2 things that look similar as being similar, especially if its something I am ignorant about the subtle differences between those 2 things, however I only do this subconsciously, I dont ever do it intentionally, and I try wherever possible to see past my own subconsious racism, but I dont always succeed in doing so.

I also VERY often enjoy racist jokes, but again this falls into my golden rule of treating others how I want to be treated as I dont take offense at racist jokes aimed at me if they arent malicious in nature.

 

A friend of my mams went into a child shop as she wanted a "black doll" so she asked for a "black doll" and the women behind the counter got all snotty and said "dont you mean an "ethnic doll". An ethnic doll going from the definition of ethnic could be any colour and imo she asked for the right thing. The problem people have these days is they dont know what to say as every term is deemed racist or could be taken out of context.

 

I know what your saying and agree but how do you go about asking someone where they are from without causing grief as most of them who ae classed as "asian" were probably born in britain so are actually british lol.

Far far to easy to offend people these days a no one knows what to say or what to call people as to not cause offence. People have mistaken me for a scouser before and a geordie but although i took great offence i didnt start kickign off and calling them a racist and trying to get them the sack lol

 

Agreed there are some massively over PC twats out there who take offense at things that arent offensive.

I have a PERFECT example of it IMHO, a friend of mine went to school in Leyton in the 80s, a very racially tense place to be in the grand scheme of things.

They had 2 types of boards that the teachers wrote on:
White Boards
Black Boards

These then became
White Boards
Chalk Boards


A black kid in the class asked "Why do we call the black board a chalk board now miss, is being black something the board should be ashamed of like I am meant to be?"


Far from making that kid feel better, the politically correct nonsense made him feel FAR wose!

 

Why would you need to, if their racial heritage is so ambiguous to you that you cant even tell where they are from, then why on earth would you need to label them with a term about something you dont even understand well enough to know if it applies to them or not?
If I dont know if someone is welsh or not, then I dont refer to them as welsh, if I dont know if someone is from pakistan or not, I dont refer to them as being so.
Why would you want to?






You say you took great offence at it, so surely you can see why others take offence too?
And if it happened to you EVERY SINGLE DAY of your life that someone continually called you a geordie when you were, eventually it might wind you up enough to say something.

 

thats it m8 90% of us r like this
the small amount that r acually racist for malicious reason have ruined it for us al we're all branned racist now for laughing and joking about these things
sum of my gd friends r pakistani but born here and they dnt even mind these sort of jokes they have similar bout us belive it or not.

as ozzy will have jokes about kiwi's and so on and so on
every place in the world will share jokes about "different people" to them,
it's how things work and sum ppl need to get over it we're not racist, just human!!!!!!

 

The word Paki isn't racist or offensive but the way it's used is. Paki was/is a shortened term to describe pakistani's but it's used an insult to asians so that's where the problem is.

What I don't get or understand is the term nigger, it's fine for coloured guys to call each other nigger but if someone else does it it's racist, I view nigger as being hugely racist and that's because of how it's used, it confuses me though.