32 billion less tax raised this year as a result of the economic slowdown according to City AM.

They reckon thats equivalent to 10p in the pound on income tax!

 

holy shit! thats a big hole to fill

 

Gareth, indeed!

Especially when you think how much they have pumped into the banks lately!

 

when you consider that labour has historically always spent more than it had and increased debt during its time in power, and then add in the massive spending recently on what is at the end of the day boom and bust the debt figures must be frightening enough without a hole that size appearing!

 

Indeed, I bet Gordon Brown must be hoping he doesnt get re-elected so some other cunt has to sort out the mess

I wouldnt want to be the next person living at 10 downing street, lol

 

How much do these wars cost britian every day?surely if they conceded the inevitable and pulled out the country would save a fortune.

 

If we pull out, then the terrorism that would be heading our way a few years down the line would cost far more, especially if you value UK lives.

Sadly I think we have no choice but to see the war through to conclusion.

 

One Goverment official won't be able to claim their expenses for a month then??

 

Nope, we made that bed when all tony blair coul see was the inside of bush's arse. The mistake that was made was assuming September the 11th was an attack on the west.

I too am glad Im not the next occupant (is brown back in ten? Tony was in 11) Sadly that will be left to the Tories who will scrimp and save and raise taxes and make everyone feel poor till everyone gets fed up with them, gets grass is greener syndrome and vote labour back in for another few years of conscience free financialhaemorrhage.

 

I wish we had never got involved in iraq in the first place, let alone afghanistan, these people had no real issues with the UK prior to that, sept 11th was anti american not anti-west, i realise that being close to the US is good for business, but I dont believe that the benefits outweigh the cost of these wars, but like all of us im only guessing.

either way, we have to finish what we started now.

 

stop paying fucking stupid amounts into the EU that screws us, stop paying hideous amounts to every tom dick and harry that shows up in the UK and expects (and does) to live for free, stop paying for scrounging cunts to sit on the dole.

Country fixed.

 

My opinion exactly.

For those in any doubt the cost of such a campaign is insane!

As an aside, I dont think the Uk will be withdrawing for a long time, a very long time.

 

Just for your info, I am in the RAF, and when I was in Kandahar last year, the food bill for JUST the British forces on that one base was £800,000 a DAY!!

 

fuck, that puts some kinda scale on it! Do you know how many british troops are deployed at the moment?

Small beer compared to the fuel, ammo, wages etc tho

 

Around 12000 I think.

 

We get back from the EU most of what we pay in, it comes back as grants, and if we dont pay in then we get kicked out and our economy suffers as a result of no longer being a trade partner etc.

We cant change the immigration policy and it would be illegal for us to not give benefit to those entitled, the court cases would cost us far more than paying them does.

Same for domestic dole, we arent allowed to just stop paying it and let people starve to death, they are entitled, and rightly so as this isnt a 3rd world country.

So not really country fixed at all IMHO, just the sort of thing that you would read in a BNP leaflet thats totally ignoring all the actual facts.

 

Not greatly different to paying the armed forces to sit on their arse or be in training in this country, the only way to greatly drop the bill for looking after the armed services is to greatly drop the number of people in the armed services IMHO
Which would then of course lose us some leverage

 

you greedy bastids

but on a more serious note, is that just the cost of the food or was that the cost of feeding the troops including getting it there, cooking it using chefs and pots and gas and stuff and freezing it and electric and all the other stuff that goes with it like a proper catering budget would be?

 

That will have to be the total cost not just the raw materials cost I would imagine.

 

not that i'm a maths whizz, but using some buttons with numbers on, that's a whole HEAP of cash just waltzing out the door every day, non stop, regardless of where the boys would be if they were in the field

if you multiplie that by the number of bases it becomes one of them chinese grains of rice on a chessboard numbers, mind boggling

no wonder someone went to the time and effort to explain how they could have build the pentagon out of $1 bills with the ammount of money they'd spend of gw1

 

According to this......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...itish-military

 

Afghanistan has cost less than 10% of what the economic slump has cost then, and less than half what some individual banks have been given.
Relatively speaking, its actually quite cheap!

 

it would not work, you think the scrounging cunts will work ?

every car and house will be robbed broken into to get there money fix i would rather pay there £40 a week than my house being broken into costing thousands

 

Those figures are for one year. God knows what the running total since it all started is.

 

ironicly, if we didn't have the slump we would have easily been able to afford to spend money willy nilly like this on other peoples wars, but now we are skint and the pensioners are grumbling about their money, the whole countries turned to shit

 

No, we were going furtherinto the red for the way even before this, now even more so though.

 

Labour have a habit of giving that impression while spending cash they dont have hand over fist. Theres a reason they sold the gold reserves at the wrong time...

 

i watched osmissis jones on boomerang last night with junior, mainly because i wanted to explain to him how colds and bugs and stuff work inside our bodies

but olsen's quote seems to sum up the mayor of frank's handling of the deadly bug in exactly the same way as labour have handled the countries economy, sod everyone else, as long as we can keep in power for as long as possible

the mayor in question was farted out of franks bum when he pressed the wrong button

 

got the felling vat will go up more than expected in december, when the 15% review comes round, was thinking back in dec 08 we would see 19%, but who knows now, my bet is 21%, but increasing it more would be quite an easy fix for the government,

seeing as a fair few other european countrys are 20%+ a few at 25%

 

I reckon they might go 20% just cause its a nice round number, lol

 

and how many businesses are gong to be screwing over that because they've got to print out MORE bits of paper with prices on them

they shuld stick to what they know and leave stuff alone, it's not that they might get lucky and make it keep going at a steady decline into bankrupting the country in a few years, it's that they may just force a faster and faster withdrawl of all the peole who live here and make things work

if you could get onto a plane and live somewhere else on the same wages wouldn't you take the ticket? i know i would if it menat living a better life

 

Would need to be quite a bit better life, im actually mildly patriotic, this is my home and I would prefer to stay here if I can.

 

money and tax issues aside, the UK has a lot going for it in other ways, that just seem to be crap in all the other countries ive visited stayed in!

Tho maybe cyprus, but its the same as the UK to hotter

 

i think we've just become too complacent about how shit it's become here and are going to be looking through rose tinted spec's for a while before the reality of just how fucked up we are hits home

then you won't be able to move for people getting on planes and boats to leave these shores

the worrying statistic is that you are more likely to be stabbed than run over, and less likely to catch swine flu living in the uk these days

 

Just spoke to J1mbo and its been wet apparently.

 

that's the risk you take living so close to norfolkshire

 

What's to stop whoever just saying not paying money back?
Will we be bombed, or taken over, or nothing happen at all?
Who had so much money they could spare all this to lend us?
Never understand all this, is just figures in the sky as opposed to physical money, doesn't really exist?

 

dependiing on what figures you believe but the uk doesnt get even half of what it contributes to the eu back in grants and funding. were one of the countries that subsidise the poorer nations.

 

We pay FAR more into the EU than we get back out!! The Human rights laws are some of the most farcical regualtions ever, with criminals basically having free reign over what they do, and various other ridiculous laws this country blindly follows , Hence why we can't kick non-working non-producing immigrants out .... Don't give me the BNP bullshit argument, I think immigration has a positive effect overall, our NHS would be fucked without it, but I do have a problem with people pitching up in the country, then not working and expecting everything to be given to them. In extreme cases, trying to kill us/ change OUR way of life, use stupid laws to get what they want and generally abusing our hospitality. Compared to the U.S.A, Australia etc who have a stringent process for getting citizenship or even being allowed to stay, the UK is a joke.

And you know fullwell that most people on the dole could work, they just choose not to , it is a system in place for who needs it, being abused, and needs a MASSIVE overhaul.


Again, the armed forces are like a fire extinguisher, it is there in the hope that you will never need it, but it is VERY wise to keep it maintained to working level and in sufficient numbers to do the job should it be needed. Incidently the UK spends less on Defence than it does on most things, I think it was 2.6% GDP which is fuck all ...

The basic problem of this country is the fact that all common sense has gone out of the window, and people use the EU Laws to the very limit of their intent, and the government push through ridiculous legislation that cripples the country..

 

we pay in about 13 billion per year to the eu and receive 5 billion back .