Is this a genuine rs500,

I ask as it has an extra rear quarter window than all the others ive seen. It looks more like an xr4i shell.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-SIERRA-RS...3%3A1|294%3A50

 

at a guess








no

 

i think you miss seen the pik propperly.lol if you look close you can se the rubber around the outside an does not stop it goes all the way round so it must me a singel window. corect me if i am rong?

 

rear 1/4 are fine

lots of other stuff is not though. id say its not genuine or if it is all the right bits have been taken off

 

even if you bought a 500 shell and fitted all brand new 500 parts, it will never be a genuine 500,

 

how can it be gen?, it states be built it himself

 

That's about as genuine as a Luwey vutton purse bought off a street vendor in Cairo for $5


Luciano

 

Another great twit!

the worse part of it that GOD AWFUL steering wheel lmao!!!

 

Its that car that was built from a shell and will never be a 500 ever, nice cossie though.

 

Of course it would be a 500 if you start with a genuine 500 shell. It would already have an RS 500 ID

 

Ive seen this car in chadderton , i heard he got a 500 shell then built it up but it obviously isnt as he says its a 909 shell in the add . TBH it might look nice but the colour looks gash .
Should have painted it an original colour and knocked 8k off the asking price then it might sell before he emigrates .

 

Its just that the side windows at the back have dividers and are longer than other 3dr sierra cosworths and other rs500's
Doesnt it look like a kitted xr4i shell?

 

no they dont and no they are not you sure you're not getting confused by the reflection?

 

+2 it's the reflection........

Car will never sell for that.

Whats with the wood steering wheel anyway?

 

There are some right comics about.

 

Sounds like you are a bit confused as to whats genuine and whats not mate. If memory serves, a 909 shell wouldnt have a sunroof as they were built for motorsport and you dont need a sunroof on a rally! If Ford didnt build the car, you cant call it a 500. A 3dr/RS500 replica at best. The colour isnt genuine either which defeats the object. They were only made in moonstone, black and white with most of them being the latter. Its a nice motor mate, but in my opinion, it isnt an RS500.

 

If you look at the ad in my avatar there were 4 types of replacement 909 3dr shell, they came in LHD no sunroof, LHD with sunroof, RHD no sunroof and RHD with sunroof.

They were all made in 1989 by Fords motorsport division hence the 909 part numbers, the original replacement shells from 1986 were not labelled as 909 just had a regular v86 part number and were quickly used up which is why the rebatch were made a few years later.

An owner can call there car whatever they like, whether any buyers agree with them is another matter

 

My rs500 was reshelled into one of the sunroof 909 versions. I have the receipt It was of course a 500 from the outset and had to be checked over by DVLA etc.

This is a nice car, a grafted replica where he took years to source parts from what I've heard. No T4 and a few other things of course.

Each to his own taste but what would a new one cost I wonder?

 

I sold him this shell

It was a brand new shell , all kitted with gen 3 door bumpers / spoilers etc and was painted in that colour by a mate of the bloke who i bought it from

The fella crashed his 3 door and bought a brand new shell had it painted and started to build the car but like so many projects it was never finished and i bought the trimmed shell / brand new engine and all other parts to complete it

The seller bought the trimmed shell and new engine and completed the build

,,,,,,,,IT IS NOT A GEN 500 ,,,,,,,,

 

The really daft thing is to all the comments above about the car, the owner could go out and buy a damaged, stripped or rough 500, like the recent black one on ebay, stamp the blue shell with the 500s chassis number quite legally (its not ringing if a new shell is used), scrap the old shell and suddenly it is then a genuine RS500, even despite the fact the engine is not to 500 spec - he could join the RSOC with it and Paul the RSOC register would have no choice but to to say it is then in fact a genuine RS500.

All for the sake of 5 minutes with a set of stamps from Machine Mart this car would go from a really dissed home build to the real deal. As Andy said his was inspected by the DVLA but this rarely happens with other reshells, even dealers reshells dont get inspected and sometimes dont even get stamped.

 

it would have to use a certain percentage of the original/donor 500's parts for it to have the same chassis number though. Just having the I.D wont be good enough legally

 

,,,,,,,,IT IS NOT A GEN 500 ,,,,,,,,

and never will be.....Enough said and how much now he is dreaming

 

Black was the most popular 500 colour not white, Black was a cost option when the 3dr was ordered so the dealers ordered (kept aside) mostly the black (more expensive) ones

 

I also heard it was built from scratch,not a genuine 500.
I'm sure I saw this car at Ford Fair last year on the 500 stand.
Thanks.Lee.

 

who would ever know it did not, and who would prove it didnt. Only the engine and shell have identification all other parts are generic.

Just look how many bare shells with ID are sold on this site alone, they go on to live as again as the original car with no other parts from the original bar the shell

There are many many 3drs/500s/Saffs and escos owned by people on here, sold by people on here and registered with the RSOC that have done exactly as I have described, and all done quite openly, if you added to this the shells using ID from scrapped cars where only the tags were sold on you are talking literally hundreds of cosworths over the years and there is nothing the RSOC can do to prevent those cars being registered with the club, as their stance is if a cars VIN number is one from the batch of RS cars produced by Ford then it is an RS regardless of any subsequent adverse history.

In relation to this car, and its current non standard condition and unregistered it is always going to be subject to negative comments and very very hard to shift unless sold cheaper than the sum value of its parts, but I guarantee either as a whole car with another ID or in component form it will live on for many years and will no doubt end up as an RSOC registered car at some point or form a major part of one and people will be none the wiser in time.

 

I see what you mean in that respect mate.

yes you are correct. I wonder how many cars are out there just like you say and the owners have no clue, especially the 3dr/500's as they are old enough, yet still worth enough for people not to scrap them when something happens (unlike a saph)

 

This why we nicknamed ours 'bag of bits' - lol!

Its like a broom with two heads and two handles. I've kept most good parts like the interior and the door and bonnet came off the original car. Luckily for me as the Parts Validation car' it has certain markings to identify it. So for example I've kept the cracked dash and drivers door card safe as they have been replaced. Original tailgate I had to scrap and replace. Diffs, gearboxes, engine rear arms, brakes etc. are all new, though I do still have the original head and gearbox stored away... why I sometimes wonder???
I have the original T4 but run a new one, that might go back on with new internals one day. Things like inlet are original and many many smaller bits I'm sure... Oh I took the original tape off the engine loom and retaped it!!!

I also have a mint and original saff, though it has got new oil and other fluids, plus a new head gasket that is Grp A... so that's not really original either I guess - lol!

At the end of the day any car is a bag of bits, but I am pround of ours I admit