Are 355mm and 6 pots a bit overkill for a car that won't see the track that often. I am off 2 the nurburgring next year.

Would i be better off with 4 pots and 330mm discs?

 

Yeah a bit of an overkill, but imo u can never have to good brakes As my A 6 pots on 335 Discs have got me out of trouble on a number of occasions

 

Think i may just get them for the ring then we you out it like that

 

depends how much power you've got, and how often you need to brake.

if you know the 'ring well, imo you don't need very big brakes unless you're going to be doing laps non stop. if you do a lap and then chill for a bit before doing another std brakes are pretty much good enough, and 4 pots and 330's certainly are.

other tracks are different though, particularly when doing a track day where you're caning it for say 15 minutes non stop. then, depending on your power, tyres, suspension, weight, driving style etc, you may feel the need for bigger brakes. if you've got a car that handles well, who needs big brakes?

 

You can never have brakes that are too good. If you can afford them then go for it. I finally got to test mine to the full at bedford on saturday and they were awesome

 

as Paul said man!

U can never have to much!

Pauls breaks were total overkill forhis current power level! but it was absolutly flyin round track cause it meant he could brake @ the very last second! as i foudn out!

If u can afford em then go for it!

PLUS THEY LOOK BLING!

 

You ain't ever gonna see them with my wheels, so its performance all the way.

It will be running stage 3, so the extra stopping power will be good.

 

Finally

Nah i would get them mate!!!! My AP's have saved my car from a horrible death a few times!!

 

Please tell me you're joking?

 

not really rich, why? if you want to go around a circuit quickly and you can go around every corner without slowing down, you don't need to use your brakes, do you?

if you need to use them once, std ones will do the job of stopping you pretty much just as quickly. it's only if you have repeated use and the temperature builds up that the efficiency goes down, and then you need bigger brakes.

it's not like properly maintained std brakes with good fluid are totally inadequate is it? maybe on an escos they are, but on a 2wd sapph they're not.

 

But how come F1 cars etc have unltimate Bling brakes yet they are one of the best handling cars out there? u still need to slow down for a corner no matter how good you car is at handling as it will never be that good to take a corner flat out

 

Apart from the obvious like an oval, please tell me one circuit where you don't need to slow down?

I would have thought it was obvious that the advantages of braking later and later allowing you to cover more distance on approach to the corner far outweighs the limited ability of any car to go round a corner (assuming a reasonable handling vehicle).............

 

in a racing situation, yes you're both right. but Fozy is asking for a road car that won't see the track that much.

for the road, i have no problem whatsoever with std brakes, even on stg3. i also have no problems on the 'ring. i do however have problems at hockenheim, and would have problems at most uk circuits with brake fade as the temperature builds up when doing lap after lap.

 

I quite agree about standard brakes, as in my experience, most people are not making the most of the standard setup (usually in need of serious TLC).

Just having gone from std 2wd setup, to AP 4 pots, I'd never go back as the advantages hugely outweigh any disadvantage (cost of discs excluded )

 

his got a point rich look at garth loyde he runs or ran 330 and no one can touch him 110 round donni wasnt it
exept for dingy in the pug he beat him

 

So what you're saying Brom is that 330's will surfice with a 4pot?

 

no am sayin pon got it wrong you dont need massive brakes to get wrong a track fast

like most things in life buy what you can aford at the time if you can aford 355s then go for it if not 330 but like tuning think ahead its gona cost twice as much to change again after you got a 330 set up
what set up you going for ?
we do brembos and ap set ups

 

brom what is the difference between brembo and ap in your eyes in terms of performance ? is there much ?

 

its hard to say really both very good quailty items
if porka and ferrari fit bembos as standard they must be good
i know brembo rotors are alot better than ap one but cost so much more
i know this as ap ones wear out alot faster
i dont know why brembos are cheaper brembo 330 set up £850-900 and ap set up £1250

 

I can sort of se what FRS is saying about std brakes at the Nurburgring.
I went with standards last easter and they held up extremely well with some decent pads, and drilled disc's, but upon returning with some proper ones I can say it did make a difference to the drive.
I could brake alot later before the bends, but the additional weight of the rotor meant I experienced a little more underseer than usual, due to the extra weight of the larger disc.
The power of a car however bears little resemblance to the speed that it slows down at, only the weight.
A 1500kg 500bhp car slows at the same rate as a 1500kg 250bhp car
Brembo do make some cheaper kits than AP, but they also do some £3700 kits for 380mm 8 pots!!!!

 

you're right chris, but the 500bhp car is going much faster at arrival of the corner so needs to slow down more to get around it at the same speed.

and you all have a point that bigger brakes allow you to brake later and harder, bt only if you're doing this often and the std brakes would be overheating. if it's just one application, the std brakes will slow you down just as well, although you may have to put in more effort on the pedal. the grip on the tyre is what limits the retardation rate.

 

and let's not forget that fozy said that his car would rarely see the track. that cold change in the future though, particularly as the limits of stg 3 power will be more difficult to reach on the road.

i would agree with brom. if you've got the money, do it once and do it right for you. and imo, 330's are enough by the sound of what you want to do with the car, bt only you can know what might change in the future.

 

I don't see the point in putting bigger brakes (and don't forget wheels!) then needed. Go for a kit that is the lightest of the ones that will be enough. And don't forget about bias valve or rear convertion so brakes work well.

 

We've been developing Brembos on the baby range rover at work and are proving shite. Mate works for prodrive and says that in all the development they do, AP's are the ones to have. They out do the Alcon's they used, but seeing as they get the brakes free, they struggle on. I can afford the 6 pots with 355mm so think i'll bite the bullet. Who knows what the future holds.

 

fair enuf mate but dont judge brembos buy somthing you been testing if there good enuf for wrc focuz 8 pots 378mm and zoos escort cozzy then there good enuf for anybody

 

wonder how much those ones Pat Dorans used to use on his RS200 cost they were F1 spec AP ones but with normal disks

or get ya self ceramic ones see following post https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...hlight=ceramic

 

Zoo escort has 8 pots. Fook!

Bet those bad boys weren't cheap......certainly think they'll be overkill 4 me.

Defo think the ceramics are OTT.

 

Fook off

What would you know - I hear you're lapping Donno in 2 mins 40 these days

 

i hear he's not actually lapping anything

 

but back to the subject , i have used many variety of brake calipers onmy car and also work with a few production cars that are also fitted with brembo's and others with a.p's, i have to say that i run 300mm discs and a.p's ina 152 wheel and are the best brakes ive ever had on my car , even better than the wilwood 6pots that i had,
now at work we use the 'red' version of the brembo's and of the a.p's , now froma braking point of view i think that the a.p's are far superior to the brembo's in feel and in stopping power, but, and thsi is the bad bit, we are getting alot of problems we both of these calipers as road units because there made to a cheaper budjet than the race versions so we are getting very bad corrosion in the brembos, and the a.p bridge bolts are seizing in from new in a matter of 3000 miles
the brembo actually has problems with teh pad meterial actually falling off teh pads
i think if these types are used then very careful fitment must be followed and all poss seizable bolts/fixings must be well lubed

 

i have got ap 6 pots with 330 on my car and it stops really well ,but i had 4pot aps and 330 on before i upgraded and to be honest i cant tell the difference
i sold a set of bremsports to my mate the other day £800 new kit including discs pads callipers bells brackets all the nuts and bolts and even the goodrige hoses ,he is chuffed with the set ,they lookgood and are value for money
i can sell you a set of these for £800 p.p or ap 5200 full kit £1000 delivered
if thats any help
i personaly think that the brakes are only as good as the pads you use
best ive used so far are the ds2500 ferodo
p.s are your wheels for sale or do you now where i can buy a set thanks jc