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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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this really annoys me

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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:42 PM
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saw this on the news last night and truly cannot believe my eyes!
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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should make them fight said war vetteran one one one once he is sorted see how tough they are on there own without weapons
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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Typical coppers,
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:49 PM
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Fucking pig cunts! My barber got a beatin the other week for being mistaken, thrown the ground, kicked in the face several times and had the biggest black eye I've seen for a long time!


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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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as stated,typical gestapo filth.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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What a fcuking liberty! some coppers think they are so above the law, whats wrong with this country man. saw this on the news earlier but didnt hear what it was about, thought it was something bad coz that copper was giving him a right pasting, now i know i think he is a right knob! i agree jacko one on one with a veteran, wouldnt last a minute i bet!
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Typical coppers,
theyre always hard as fuck when theyre hiding behind the uniform and mob handed.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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Cunts ..They should be kicked out of the force and sent to fucking Afghanistan, see how fucking "hard" they are then.....

It is another indicator of how our Police force seem to be alienating themselves from the general public. 20 years ago the Police were generally well respected and admired by the public, but IMHO they have criminalized most of society and have lost the ability to talk to people in a civil manner.... Shame as I have a lot of respect for the Police doing proper police work, but they don't do themselves any favours do they? ...
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when this happened in america with the rodney king beating stuff, didnt it kick up a whole heap of shit? definitely got more action than simply 'a police investigation' anyways!

i realise that was race related and so on, but still, this is a dude who has served his country, the police need to have a serious rethink about the way they go about things, and heads need to roll, not just a slap on the wrist
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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No need to punch him and indeed rub his head on the road, restrain, cuffs on, and if needed leg restraints. The cops lost control of the situation with the man, being a vet isn't cart blanche to be a drunken idiot tho and mouthing off and imo deserved to be locked up , but not get his head smashed in .
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Fucking pig scum.

Same old same old.

Cunts.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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f***ing filth one of the reasons most of us think they are all a bunch of c**ts.i say put them in the army with the veterians old squad im sure they would love them.
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Nothing will happen to these cunts They'll walk like they always do,


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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RSandy
when this happened in america with the rodney king beating stuff, didnt it kick up a whole heap of shit? definitely got more action than simply 'a police investigation' anyways!

i realise that was race related and so on, but still, this is a dude who has served his country, the police need to have a serious rethink about the way they go about things, and heads need to roll, not just a slap on the wrist
Rodney King deserved it he is just low life scum that was driving down the road high as fuck that someone video's the end bit with slightly harsh moves on him

as for this bloke i feel sorry for him the wanker that rubs his face and punches him what a cunt
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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I watched that clip a view times now, and perfectly understand how the majority of folks come to the conclusions they have. Having said that, they arrest this bloke and instead of giving up he legs it, falls over, then refuses to be cuffed. Whilst they are trying to cuff him he bites one of em. The punches seem to be in an effort to get his arm behind his back. I know that the majority if you fellas will say that it is easy to get someones arm, but if they are pissed it ain't.

And all this one on one rubbish, what drugs you lot on? Just imagine the youtube videos now of me going toe to toe with a drug crazed loon, it's not about hard or not, it's about gaining control of the arrested person. Being honest, I am not a hard man, I am a married father of two who likes a peaceful life. I never get involved in trouble when I am not at work, but work dictates that sometimes I must use violence, so I do.

Having said that once or twice I have stripped off my epaulettes and matters have taken their own unique course.

I am not defending these officers, but if some one takes a bite out of my leg I am not just going to say "there there old boy".



BUT I realise I will be a lone voice, and actually should not even be commenting on the video as we now have police officers whose sole job it is to trawl the internet and look for posts such as mine. I can get disciplined for even admitting to being a police officer, I even had to remove my avatar as it was a marked ST220. Strange world we live in.

Rubbing the face is rather girlie mind. Still, if he hadn't come the pratt, nothing would have happened to him. (no, I am not saying he got what he deserved)

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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sick Boy
Rodney King deserved it he is just low life scum that was driving down the road high as fuck that someone video's the end bit with slightly harsh moves on him

as for this bloke i feel sorry for him the wanker that rubs his face and punches him what a cunt
haha didnt say he didnt deserve it, just meant it kicked up a whole heap of fuss and ended up with big court hearings and such, these cops actually deserve to get prosecuted, but wont

it was about the best comparison i cud think of off the top of my head sadly
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I watched that clip a view times now, and perfectly understand how the majority of folks come to the conclusions they have. Having said that, they arrest this bloke and instead of giving up he legs it, falls over, then refuses to be cuffed. Whilst they are trying to cuff him he bites one of em. The punches seem to be in an effort to get his arm behind his back. I know that the majority if you fellas will say that it is easy to get someones arm, but if they are pissed it ain't.

And all this one on one rubbish, what drugs you lot on? Just imagine the youtube videos now of me going toe to toe with a drug crazed loon, it's not about hard or not, it's about gaining control of the arrested person. Being honest, I am not a hard man, I am a married father of two who likes a peaceful life. I never get involved in trouble when I am not at work, but work dictates that sometimes I must use violence, so I do.

Having said that once or twice I have stripped off my epaulettes and matters have taken their own unique course.

I am not defending these officers, but if some one takes a bite out of my leg I am not just going to say "there there old boy".



BUT I realise I will be a lone voice, and actually should not even be commenting on the video as we now have police officers whose sole job it is to trawl the internet and look for posts such as mine. I can get disciplined for even admitting to being a police officer, I even had to remove my avatar as it was a marked ST220. Strange world we live in.

Rubbing the face is rather girlie mind. Still, if he hadn't come the pratt, nothing would have happened to him. (no, I am not saying he got what he deserved)
Totally agree with what you've said there. Rubbing his face on the tarmac is obviously bang out of order but everything else there seems reasonable to me. He's very drunk by his own admission and when they try to arrest him he bites one of them. The punches are on his arm and shoulder as he is clearly refusing to be handcuffed. The reporting was very one-sided in my opinion.

Also, some of the above comments show that peope have no appreciaton of how hard it is to 'easily restrain' a drunk person.

Hopefully the special that rubbed his face gets disciplined but the others did nothing wrong.

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they should be sacked,but as always they will get away with it
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they should be sacked,but as always they will get away with it
Tell me what each of the three officers has done that should get them sacked. Okay, I agree the special constable should be disciplined because he rubbed his face in the tarmac. Now you tell me what the other two did.

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Originally Posted by Jimboxr4x4
Tell me what each of the three officers has done that should get them sacked. Okay, I agree the special constable should be sacked because he rubbed his face in the tarmac. Now you tell me what the other two did.
Well for starters they did'nt stop the special from punching the guy or rubbing his face across the road.
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Originally Posted by Jimboxr4x4
Tell me what each of the three officers has done that should get them sacked. Okay, I agree the special constable should be sacked because he rubbed his face in the tarmac. Now you tell me what the other two did.

the other two should get sacked as the scum bastards sat and watched him do it.fucking pigshardmen when in uniforms
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 07:13 PM
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just to add the police were not even looking for this guy
he was in the wrong place at the wrong time
no wonder he did what he did
he bit the officer in self defence and rightly so
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...Rubbing the face is rather girlie mind. Still, if he hadn't come the pratt, nothing would have happened to him. (no, I am not saying he got what he deserved)
Whilst I agree that the reporting was indeed very one-sided, and no doubt the man was given numerous warnings to move on or be arrested, and that upon his resisting to be cuffed he was subjected to 'control and restraint' techniques (having used them myself in the Mental Health environment), to say that 'if he hadn't have been acting the pratt he would have had nothing happen to him' seems to smack of 'Do as we say or else'.

The police have and indeed should have extensive powers to deal with people who's behaviour puts themselves or others at risk or who have commited a crime, or who have not commited a prosecutable crime (breach of the queens peace), this country still makes the pretence of being a 'free democracy' and as such the police should be limited in when and under what circumstances they can exercise their powers. Possible abusive remarks from an unarmed, drunk man who is over 10ft away and posing no immediate threat should not have been met with the force with which these three officers chose to employ.

It could be said that by their choice of method in dealing with this individual provoked the response they got. Other methods of dealing with the drunken man may well have gotten a different, response.

All in all, I think these officers showed poor judgement in their handling of this situation, although the actions saw on the video (barring the face-rubbing) could be seen as valid uses of force in order to control a person. The face rubbing was certainly IMHO a disciplinary offence.
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Originally Posted by arch
I watched that clip a view times now, and perfectly understand how the majority of folks come to the conclusions they have. Having said that, they arrest this bloke and instead of giving up he legs it, falls over, then refuses to be cuffed. Whilst they are trying to cuff him he bites one of em. The punches seem to be in an effort to get his arm behind his back. I know that the majority if you fellas will say that it is easy to get someones arm, but if they are pissed it ain't.

And all this one on one rubbish, what drugs you lot on? Just imagine the youtube videos now of me going toe to toe with a drug crazed loon, it's not about hard or not, it's about gaining control of the arrested person. Being honest, I am not a hard man, I am a married father of two who likes a peaceful life. I never get involved in trouble when I am not at work, but work dictates that sometimes I must use violence, so I do.

Having said that once or twice I have stripped off my epaulettes and matters have taken their own unique course.

I am not defending these officers, but if some one takes a bite out of my leg I am not just going to say "there there old boy".



BUT I realise I will be a lone voice, and actually should not even be commenting on the video as we now have police officers whose sole job it is to trawl the internet and look for posts such as mine. I can get disciplined for even admitting to being a police officer, I even had to remove my avatar as it was a marked ST220. Strange world we live in.

Rubbing the face is rather girlie mind. Still, if he hadn't come the pratt, nothing would have happened to him. (no, I am not saying he got what he deserved)

Typical Police always sticking up for each other. I'm sure you would look at it a different way if it was one of your family members, or anothre officer. Would you say the victim got what they deserved then ?

No one deserves to die at the hands of another. I appreciate the victim may have bitten another officer, but I'm sure its not the first and certainly won't be the last time something like that has happened during an attempted arrest and other officers manage to complete the job in hand without causing death. Also, there were THREE officers against one drunken victim. If me and my mates beat up another one guy, we would be classes as thugs . hoodies etc and scum of the earth.

Sack the lot of 'em and put their addresses online !!!
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The fact is, the guy was standing 8-10meters away from the cops, talking/giving his side of the story, the 3 cops then look to agree to nick him, he tries to move back as he obviously feels intimidated, and the 3 of them jump on him.

No need for the punches - does being punched make you want to comply? Doubt it.

Then the coward that rubs his face in the concrete, thats fucking appauling imo. No excuse. Surely if they were having a problem, they restrain him on the ground till more officers arrive and they can get a limb each and huckle him into a van.

The soldier wasn't blameless of course, but he was treated like shit, for doing (what looks like) not alot wrong, he certainley wasnt acting aggressivley imo.


But as usual the scum will get away with it. No doubt.
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Well for starters they did'nt stop the special from punching the guy or rubbing his face across the road.
Because they were struggling with a drunk who had bitten one of them. I'm not defending the special at all - he should be sacked in my opinion but the other two didn't do anything different to what anyone else would have done.

Its very easy to pass judgement on an incident without seeeing the full picture. We don't know what the man was saying/shouting to them before they tried to arrest him.
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HE was drunk and he's a squaddie - my brother was a squaddie and he had squaddie mates and i know that when they get drinking they are leery as fuck.

we cannot hear what is being said on the video but given the fact that he's stood 8-10 feet away he's probably gobbing off to the coppers and he's keeping his distance to try and get a head start on the inevitable chase, but he's so pissed that he falls over.

i have no sympathy for the squaddie, my brother recived a similar beating from police - the cops have a hard job and were probably getting shit all night, the squaddie just copped for it all.
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Iraq war veteran LOL

My Bro went to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia he didnt go crying to the cops when he got beaten, he took it like a man. (granted it took 7 of them to get him down LOL)
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Originally Posted by Jimboxr4x4
Because they were struggling with a drunk who had bitten one of them. I'm not defending the special at all - he should be sacked in my opinion but the other two didn't do anything different to what anyone else would have done.

Its very easy to pass judgement on an incident without seeeing the full picture. We don't know what the man was saying/shouting to them before they tried to arrest him.

Its prob fair to say we don't know the full facts,the news/papers will only tell what they want to.
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Originally Posted by Coldo

No need for the punches - does being punched make you want to comply? Doubt it.

Surely if they were having a problem, they restrain him on the ground till more officers arrive and they can get a limb each and huckle him into a van.
You don't know what the drunk 'victim' was saying/shouting to make them try to arrest him. You can't speculate as the video (deliberatly I would think) on the news paper webside don't show that side of it.

Its in the middle of a main road. Would you really wait for others to arrive or would you get him cuffed as quickly as possible? Its easy to pass judgement when you've never been in that situation.

I'm not defending what the special did but it looks to me like the other two were just trying to do their job.

If you read on the article states the matter is being investigated by the idependant police complaints commission. These people are totally independant of Police and there is a case to answer they will deal with the officers appropriately. The advantage they will have is that they will have the full picture not just selected edits of a left-wing news report.
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Iraq war veteran LOL

My Bro went to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia he didnt go crying to the cops when he got beaten, he took it like a man. (granted it took 7 of them to get him down LOL)

but your brother did not die and i am sure if your brother did die you would be saying the same as the rest of us
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Originally Posted by Fordmodelbuilder
Its prob fair to say we don't know the full facts,the news/papers will only tell what they want to.
EXACTLY - he was probably gobbing off at the coppers and he got what was coming to him.

if he was being OK with the coppers he'd have had no reason NOT to approach them and talk to them face to face. - he was obviously giving them shit.

i've seen enough "cops on camera" and "Street crime UK" to know that Piss heads on a night out are amongst the worst individuals to deal with, it's magnified when they are squaddies cos they think they are a law unto themselves.
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I don't think the drunk bloke died. There's a picture of him alive after the incident.
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but your brother did not die and i am sure if your brother did die you would be saying the same as the rest of us

The lad in the video didnt die....
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they probably thought they were getting away with this
until cctv captured it all
i think this is why the video was shown on tv internet etc
no human being deserves this
imo scum
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also this guy was innocent as i stated above
he was in the wrong place at the wrong time
that's why he reacted the way he did
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