911 conspiracy BBC2 now
Anyone else watching these freaks? They honestly believe the American government carried out the attacks. These people are a disgrace to all the poor people that died. Why won't they let it go?
Im honestly on the fence on the whole 911 thing. Although i wouldnt like to think its true, i just cant help wondering after watching a few of the conspiracy documentries, even though i know thats what there designed to do.
The main thing i cant get my head round is the very small hole in the pentagon, that was supposed to be done by a plane 5 times its size, and the fact you couldnt actually see the plane hit it on the cctv even though its supposed to be one of the most secure and saftey conscious buildings in the US.
i dont believe it was a setup from the start. But I believe that tower 7 was blown up deliberatly as a contingency plan because of the attacks. Not sure why, but the way it fell shows it was controlled. On the fence about the pentagon. Im not sure what to believe with that.
the ones ive seen, as said a plane hit the pentagon, but when you see the hole in the building. theres no cuts in the wall where the wings would of been and no signs on th egrass of any engines or anything
the towers, how the fell was too perfect aswell
but its just conspiracy theorys, and it does make you think
the towers, how the fell was too perfect aswell
but its just conspiracy theorys, and it does make you think
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Although i'm someone who is very much open to ideas about anything conspirical.
Will have to check out the "Loose Change 3" Final cut video tomorrow!
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One thing the US government should control is the way agencies deal with evidence and the the disaster area, they make everything very official and like they are covering something up, same as area 51 and so on.... but you'll always get mad Americans as theirs still a group that believe the world is flat regardless to the amount of evidence is presented to them, Yanks
biggest load of bolloks goin!
All conspiracy theories are the same they take loads of small glitches etc and twist them to fit the theory.
like the chap said near the end,
1 the government is not competonent enough to plan this
2 Some one would have spilt the beans
The theory relies on the fact of a motive, ie to create a war on the east and get oil!
well, the wars a total flop, oil is worse and the american economy is down
All conspiracy theories are the same they take loads of small glitches etc and twist them to fit the theory.
like the chap said near the end,
1 the government is not competonent enough to plan this

2 Some one would have spilt the beans
The theory relies on the fact of a motive, ie to create a war on the east and get oil!
well, the wars a total flop, oil is worse and the american economy is down
think the reason for this is that britain and the states HAVE done LOADS of fucked up shite to get there way,,,, so for this reason there is distrust
i doubt that the building had a PROFESSIONAL job to make it fail..... i think its more down to the buildings not being as safe as they first thought and wont admit that due to all the other buildings/worry
there aint a conspiricy about that,,, though there are alot of lies like normal
i doubt that the building had a PROFESSIONAL job to make it fail..... i think its more down to the buildings not being as safe as they first thought and wont admit that due to all the other buildings/worry
there aint a conspiricy about that,,, though there are alot of lies like normal
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i really don't get this "they demolished the tower on purpose" crap
i mean do you seriously beleive that the building was pre-wired with demo charges "just incase"
this isn't startrek, buildings dont come with a "SELF DESTRUCT" button
i mean do you seriously beleive that the building was pre-wired with demo charges "just incase"
this isn't startrek, buildings dont come with a "SELF DESTRUCT" button
Interesting interview whit dutch demolition expert Danny Jawenko about building 7
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?doc...Lf2L2lDw&hl=nl
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Makes you think................. how did they find this passport on the sidewalk after he crashed a plane in to a building?? and it was in tact!
Makes you think................. how did they find this passport on the sidewalk after he crashed a plane in to a building?? and it was in tact!
Thats exactly why many people think that the whole thing was set up though. The evidence suggests that that building came down by a controlled explosion.
that and the news it fell BEFORE it actually fell,, and you could see the picture over the shoulder of the 7wtc when she was reporting it,,,,,, though that day ALOT of stuff was going on so its easy to false report,, remember it was all live !!!
but there was NO noise to indicate,,,,, so how there blaming thermite..... thats REALLY clutching at straws though IMO
yeah alot of people who dont know what they are doing DUE to crisis,,, which is VERY hard
and that black guy you could tell was just a fucking lieing,,,,,, not sure what about but he was dramatising what happened to get famous or some form of money
the people who DONT speak to the cameras are the ones i belive,,, so many people just wanna be famous and make them look like heros,,,,,, recon he was back tracking as hes first interview was bollox but he said it to get famous for 5 mins
explision would prob be cars and electrical contacts ect,,,, i tripped my wall socket in the kitchen and the noise than made,,,,, also blew a hole in the cage for the plug socket
recon the building WOULD have been pulled,,,, but theres NOT chance there was the time to rig it all up,,,, and seriously thermite,,,,,,,, was that cause aliens was too far fetched ?
yeah alot of people who dont know what they are doing DUE to crisis,,, which is VERY hard
and that black guy you could tell was just a fucking lieing,,,,,, not sure what about but he was dramatising what happened to get famous or some form of money
the people who DONT speak to the cameras are the ones i belive,,, so many people just wanna be famous and make them look like heros,,,,,, recon he was back tracking as hes first interview was bollox but he said it to get famous for 5 mins
explision would prob be cars and electrical contacts ect,,,, i tripped my wall socket in the kitchen and the noise than made,,,,, also blew a hole in the cage for the plug socket
recon the building WOULD have been pulled,,,, but theres NOT chance there was the time to rig it all up,,,, and seriously thermite,,,,,,,, was that cause aliens was too far fetched ?
and that black guy you could tell was just a fucking lieing,,,,,, not sure what about but he was dramatising what happened to get famous or some form of money
the people who DONT speak to the cameras are the ones i belive,,, so many people just wanna be famous and make them look like heros,,,,,, recon he was back tracking as hes first interview was bollox but he said it to get famous for 5 mins
explision would prob be cars and electrical contacts ect,,,, i tripped my wall socket in the kitchen and the noise than made,,,,, also blew a hole in the cage for the plug socket
recon the building WOULD have been pulled,,,, but theres NOT chance there was the time to rig it all up,,,, and seriously thermite,,,,,,,, was that cause aliens was too far fetched ?
there is quiet alot of evidence to suggest its pre planned. but the american goverment cant be trusted. tehy lied about the war on iraq 'weapons of mass distruction' which where never found. And now they starting crap on Iran which is blatent bull...... And people are falling for it again.
there is quiet alot of evidence to suggest its pre planned. but the american goverment cant be trusted. tehy lied about the war on iraq 'weapons of mass distruction' which where never found. And now they starting crap on Iran which is blatent bull...... And people are falling for it again.
The current us goverment are just puppets and the new one will be more of the same.
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its not all down to the things that dont quite add up about the attacks themselves its other things that make me wonder.
Like the scale of attack on Afghanistan that would have taken the best part of 6 months to plan and sort out and yet they went in less than a month after 9/11.
All the money that was made on the day from the stock market that was never claimed.
Previous history of the US fucking over its own for an excuse to go into a conflict.
All the little things the tin-foil-hat wearers pick up on are a bit sad (like WTC7 announced as collapsing before it did) but then you will always get these folks.
Like the scale of attack on Afghanistan that would have taken the best part of 6 months to plan and sort out and yet they went in less than a month after 9/11.
All the money that was made on the day from the stock market that was never claimed.
Previous history of the US fucking over its own for an excuse to go into a conflict.
All the little things the tin-foil-hat wearers pick up on are a bit sad (like WTC7 announced as collapsing before it did) but then you will always get these folks.
Such as....
1 - How could Al Qaeda (AQ) arrange for the visas for the 19 alleged hijackers if some of them were on a watch list (and that's before discussing identity theft as some of the 19 are still alive and were never in the U.S.) and how could they get them safely through immigration?
2 - How could AQ get the FBI to pull back many of their investigations into AQ in the U.S. before 9-11, investigations that could have stopped the events from happening?
3 - How could AQ have ensured the numerous war games held on 9-11 would actually be held (and how could they have found out these were going to be held as these ensured resources were stretched on that day?) and ensured they were not cancelled when their 9-11 events started?
4 - How could AQ have ensured that none of all the fighter / interceptors the U.S. possesses would be scrambled to stop 9-11 and when eventually scrambled how could they ensure they were sent the wrong way out to sea or to provide air cover over the wrong cities when exactly those kind of intercept missions had been successfully and quickly conducted 91 times in the previous year?
5 - How could AQ ensure their 'pilots' who could barely fly in some cases would actually be able to stay on course and not miss the targets?
6 - How could AQ ensure that none of the surface to air missiles that protect the pentagon would be launched when the alleged airliner that hit the pentagon approached (see here the stuff about Cheney being asked if the orders still stood as a plane was 30 miles out - he said yes according to Norman Mineta and defensive measures were never taken even though any plane approaching without a valid U.S. military transponder is targetted, a system that lead to a UK plane being shot down in the ME by the U.S.)?
7 - How could AQ ensure the Bush regime would ignore the many warnings about an attack on 9-11 given to them by many security agences around the world including many from the U.S.'s own sources?
8 - How, given that no fire had ever caused a steel framed building to collapse into its own footprint despite there being many bigger and longer lasting fires in much smaller, weaker buildings; given that the first firemen on the scene said they only needed two hoses as the fire was small; given the huge plumes of smoke meaning less flames and heat; given the fact that airline fuels burns at a much lower temperature than that needed to melt or weaken steel yet molten steel was found in the ruins in the basement; given that video evidence shows white smoke coming from the base of the WTC before the collapse and many eyewitnesses spoke of explosions in the basement; given that hundreds of structural engineers and demolition experts from around the world have said it was a controlled demolition; taking all this into consideration to reach the only conclusion scientifically possible - that of explosives in the building, how could AQ have gotten access to the building for the time necessary to plant explosives and without any prying eyes around to see what they were doing?
9 - How, given the fact that there was a two day power down in the weeks prior to 9-11 when all security cameras were switched off, the building emptied and bomb sniffer dogs taken away never to return just for a so-called internet rewiring organised by the firm in charge of security, a firm run by Bush's younger brother and cousin, could AQ have infiltrated this firm enough to organise all this without triggering any suspicions?
2 - How could AQ get the FBI to pull back many of their investigations into AQ in the U.S. before 9-11, investigations that could have stopped the events from happening?
3 - How could AQ have ensured the numerous war games held on 9-11 would actually be held (and how could they have found out these were going to be held as these ensured resources were stretched on that day?) and ensured they were not cancelled when their 9-11 events started?
4 - How could AQ have ensured that none of all the fighter / interceptors the U.S. possesses would be scrambled to stop 9-11 and when eventually scrambled how could they ensure they were sent the wrong way out to sea or to provide air cover over the wrong cities when exactly those kind of intercept missions had been successfully and quickly conducted 91 times in the previous year?
5 - How could AQ ensure their 'pilots' who could barely fly in some cases would actually be able to stay on course and not miss the targets?
6 - How could AQ ensure that none of the surface to air missiles that protect the pentagon would be launched when the alleged airliner that hit the pentagon approached (see here the stuff about Cheney being asked if the orders still stood as a plane was 30 miles out - he said yes according to Norman Mineta and defensive measures were never taken even though any plane approaching without a valid U.S. military transponder is targetted, a system that lead to a UK plane being shot down in the ME by the U.S.)?
7 - How could AQ ensure the Bush regime would ignore the many warnings about an attack on 9-11 given to them by many security agences around the world including many from the U.S.'s own sources?
8 - How, given that no fire had ever caused a steel framed building to collapse into its own footprint despite there being many bigger and longer lasting fires in much smaller, weaker buildings; given that the first firemen on the scene said they only needed two hoses as the fire was small; given the huge plumes of smoke meaning less flames and heat; given the fact that airline fuels burns at a much lower temperature than that needed to melt or weaken steel yet molten steel was found in the ruins in the basement; given that video evidence shows white smoke coming from the base of the WTC before the collapse and many eyewitnesses spoke of explosions in the basement; given that hundreds of structural engineers and demolition experts from around the world have said it was a controlled demolition; taking all this into consideration to reach the only conclusion scientifically possible - that of explosives in the building, how could AQ have gotten access to the building for the time necessary to plant explosives and without any prying eyes around to see what they were doing?
9 - How, given the fact that there was a two day power down in the weeks prior to 9-11 when all security cameras were switched off, the building emptied and bomb sniffer dogs taken away never to return just for a so-called internet rewiring organised by the firm in charge of security, a firm run by Bush's younger brother and cousin, could AQ have infiltrated this firm enough to organise all this without triggering any suspicions?
The big thing that sits funny with me with the whole 911 thing is how the building dropped straight down into its own footprint. That sort of precision drop takes a bit care and thought than slamming a plane into the thing.
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy but I certainly feel there is enough information about to make you question the events.
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy but I certainly feel there is enough information about to make you question the events.
jim thats the part thats ignored,, the other building took pasting from a tower on its way down, the structure was over a subway too but reinforced,, but not taking to account a building falling ontop of it aswell
guess until theres a test of the same we will never know,,,,,, we dont even know if the building WAS safe enough in the first place
guess until theres a test of the same we will never know,,,,,, we dont even know if the building WAS safe enough in the first place
They keep saying that building 7 (or whatever the number was) has been the only building to fall because of a fire !!!
What about the 2 main towers ? they didn't fall just because there was a big fooking hole in them, the fire then weakened them and they fell.
What about the 2 main towers ? they didn't fall just because there was a big fooking hole in them, the fire then weakened them and they fell.







