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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 07:18 AM
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Owen can keep us up, says Keegan
Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan believes Michael Owen is the key to his side's Premier League survival hopes.

"A lot of people have been questioning him because he is a big-name player, but he won't stop scoring if you give him chances," said Keegan.

"I am delighted to have a player like Michael at the club. His leadership and work-rate have been fantastic."

Owen's goal against the Blues was only his seventh of an injury-hit campaign, but Keegan says he has never had doubts about the 28-year-old.

"He is a clinical finisher and a very clever player," Keegan added. "Michael is top quality and a world-class player, make no mistake about that."

Who's he trying to kid.... the delusional fool
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 08:02 AM
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His goal record throughout his career speaks for itself imo

242 (44) games - 143 goals in league games for Liverpool, Real Madrid and Newcastle.

Couple that with 40 international goals from 88 caps. I'd say he was a pretty big name player and a VERY proven goalscorer!
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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Ever heard of a manager trying to give his player(s) a confidence boost?

And i dont even like football
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 08:08 AM
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Owen is a class player, a proven goalscorer however you cant expect him to keep banging them in when, like Keegan says, he isn't given the chances.

From what I have seen of Newcastle of MOTD and such like, they are dire and I have had money on the mgoing down for a while now and hopefully it'l happen!
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Escort-Ian
His goal record throughout his career speaks for itself imo

242 (44) games - 143 goals in league games for Liverpool, Real Madrid and Newcastle.

Couple that with 40 international goals from 88 caps. I'd say he was a pretty big name player and a VERY proven goalscorer!
No denying that but that's history though... it's the present Owen that doesn't fit Keegan's delusional hopes.

The latter time he spent at Liverpool before going to RM, he was a shadow of the player he was when he was scoring goals for fun. He is more injury prone than Darren Anderton was....
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 08:21 AM
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He is still a class player and knows where the net is.

Put him in Man Utd's team and he'd still get 20+ goals a season because he'd get quality service, at Newcastle he simply doesn't get that because they're gash!

He's still managed to get 12 goals in 29 starts during his time at Newcastle, a time which has been stop start stop start. I agree about his injury problems although personally I hope he has got over the worst of it as he's still the best english striker we have and would be an automatic choice in the England starting line-up. This season has seen get regular football and so long as he keeps himself injury free I think you'll see more goals from him.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 08:25 AM
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How can Keegan rely on Owen with the stats below? Surely that's putting huge pressure on him...

Even when Newcastle turned up the screw in the 2nd half against Birmingham last night, Owen looked out of his depth even though he scored a simple tap in.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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maybe if Owen ventured out of the box once in a while rather than waiting to tap in any easy chance that the rest of the team have to work hard to create!!!

he is just a glory hound if you ask me!!
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he's still the best english striker we have and would be an automatic choice in the England starting line-up.
EH? He aint nowhere near as good as Rooney! Just watch Rooneys work rate outside aswell as inside the box, he's the automatic NUMBER 1 choice for his place in the england squad........Owen has got to compete for his place now imo. Defoe would get my vote over Owen.
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I think it's a shame for Newcatle the situation they find themselves in but TBH they have brought it upon themselves.
Owen is world class but for completely different reasons to the likes of Rooney. Rooney may make you a goal but Owen will always steal one when the chips are down. Plus he's less likely to pick up a card doing it unlike Shrek
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He is one ugly fooker it has to be said. lol.
ANyway, back to Redkop's point, is Keegan dillusional?? Well he thought he could be a manager again after years in a darkened room so I'd say 100%. Or just skint cos he hasn't been earning for so long, psml
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ESCYSCOTT
EH? He aint nowhere near as good as Rooney! Just watch Rooneys work rate outside aswell as inside the box, he's the automatic NUMBER 1 choice for his place in the england squad........Owen has got to compete for his place now imo. Defoe would get my vote over Owen.
Agreed. Owen has always been what I call a 'lazy' player.... he was at Liverpool and was invisible in loads of matches. He's 28 now and sadly past his best and IMO definitely not good enough for England. He'll be 30 when England are back in competitions in 2010.
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Originally Posted by ESCYSCOTT
EH? He aint nowhere near as good as Rooney! Just watch Rooneys work rate outside aswell as inside the box, he's the automatic NUMBER 1 choice for his place in the england squad........Owen has got to compete for his place now imo. Defoe would get my vote over Owen.
Totally different players so you can't compare them. Owen will always get you goals if you give him the right service and with people like Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard etc then he's going to get the service!

Rooney is a quality player, just for different reasons. I'd always have someone who will do nothing all game then sneak up with the deciding goal in a game.
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why is Owen "World Class" what has he done in the last few years to deserve that accolade?
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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Redkop, he's not a liverpool player anymore, let it go. Now you have finally found your first player to score twenty a season since Fowler just be happy. You just sound a bit bitter for some reason slagging of one of your ex players who served you very well. I'll bet you never called him a lazy fooker when he was winning you Cups and banging in the goals. You are a very sad individual


The boy is class and always will be, the body may get slower but class is permanent. You cannot argue with his record. Providing his physical conditioning comes good he will be Englands top scorer ever. End of
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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i dont support none of the prem teams so im a neutral in all this, but its pretty obvious IMO that owen is still one of the best english strikers we have... yes he hasn't done much lately due to injuiry etc

but one of the main reasons is look at the state of the team hes in.... its only like yakubu (sp) before he came to everton hes was in a dog awful team and hardly scored/played well look at him now.....
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Out of interest, when Owen was at Anfield last week, did he get a good reception?
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Redkop, he's not a liverpool player anymore, let it go. Now you have finally found your first player to score twenty a season since Fowler just be happy. You just sound a bit bitter for some reason slagging of one of your ex players who served you very well. I'll bet you never called him a lazy fooker when he was winning you Cups and banging in the goals. You are a very sad individual


The boy is class and always will be, the body may get slower but class is permanent. You cannot argue with his record. Providing his physical conditioning comes good he will be Englands top scorer ever. End of

Shouldnt that be two of your ex-players who served you well.

When I was a boy back in the 70's Keegan was a proper Liverpool star and hero to many

Unfortunately in the childish world of Football fans its all 'My dads bigger than your dad' instead of respecting people for their achievements.


All Keegan is doing is trying his best to get a return on the Owen investment, hopefully Micheal will take the finger out of his arse, stop sulking about the career behind him and get on and do what he's being paid for.
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Redkop, he's not a liverpool player anymore, let it go. Now you have finally found your first player to score twenty a season since Fowler just be happy. You just sound a bit bitter for some reason slagging of one of your ex players who served you very well. I'll bet you never called him a lazy fooker when he was winning you Cups and banging in the goals. You are a very sad individual


The boy is class and always will be, the body may get slower but class is permanent. You cannot argue with his record. Providing his physical conditioning comes good he will be Englands top scorer ever. End of
Bitter? Good grief what the fuck do I have to be bitter about and let what go? I was never a great fan of Owen, nor was I bothered when he went to RM as he wasn't the player he used to be when he was a prolific goal scorer and didn't have the tag of 'sicknote'. He wasn't a patch on Fowler anyway, who gave his all for the team and was sorely missed by everybody when he was sold.

Why can't you just answer the question of the thread title, instead of making it a personal attack on me or is the question too hard for you to digest? Cock!

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Out of interest, when Owen was at Anfield last week, did he get a good reception?
Nope, he hasn't done so since he left, a few give him a lukewarm reception.

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Sorry but you dont half come across as a bitter old woman.
See above and do explain why you think I am bitter about Owen, I am curious to see how it relates to Keegan saying....
"Owen can keep us up, says Keegan.
Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan believes Michael Owen is the key to his side's Premier League survival hopes."

Or are you just being your usual keyboard warrior self again with nothing constructive to say?
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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Really?

That's disgraceful IMO.

He'll always be remembered as a Liverpool player, and people can't even have the courtesy to show him a little respect.

I thought your lot were supposed to have the best fans in the world?
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Bitter? Good grief what the fuck do I have to be bitter about and let what go? I was never a great fan of Owen, nor was I bothered when he went to RM as he wasn't the player he used to be when he was a prolific goal scorer and didn't have the tag of 'sicknote'. He wasn't a patch on Fowler anyway, who gave his all for the team and was sorely missed by everybody when he was sold.

Why can't you just answer the question of the thread title, instead of making it a personal attack on me or is the question too hard for you to digest? Cock!



Nope, he hasn't done so since he left, a few give him a lukewarm reception.



See above and do explain why you think I am bitter about Owen, I am curious to see how it relates to Keegan saying....
"Owen can keep us up, says Keegan.
Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan believes Michael Owen is the key to his side's Premier League survival hopes."

Or are you just being your usual keyboard warrior self again with nothing constructive to say?

Fist off in retort to the cock retort. Thick deluded slag!

Anyway now thats out of the way. I was replying in my defence of owen the proven goalscorer, and yes if Keegan can manmanage his attitude and fitness then yes he can easily keep them up. You dont think he can because you are deluded ( if he wasnt prolific when he left for RM, please tell me how many goals from how many games in Spain? 16 in 41 of which half of those games he played less than 30 minutes) and have to attack two former servents of your club for no reason on an internet car forum to pass the time of day. Bitter

ps. I am being constructive..see my appraisal of Owen.......

pps. Where the fuck are you being constructive?

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Are you on the fucking menopause or something? 'cos every post I've ever read of yours on here is full of total drivel and seems to be written with a great degree of anger and tension...
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Fist off in retort to the cock retort. Thick deluded slag!

Anyway now thats out of the way. I was replying in my defence of owen the proven goalscorer, and yes if Keegan can manmanage his attitude and fitness then yes he can easily keep them up. You dont think he can because you are deluded ( if he wasnt prolific when he left for RM, please tell me how many goals from how many games in Spain? 16 in 41 of which half of those games he played less than 30 minutes) and have to attack two former servents of your club for no reason on an internet car forum to pass the time of day. Bitter
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Are you on the fucking menopause or something? 'cos every post I've ever read of yours on here is full of total drivel and seems to be written with a great degree of anger and tension...
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I find it difficult to say a bad word about him due to everything he did for liverpool while he played for us, he was immense. leaving liverpool has proved to the biggest mistake of his career, he's never found the form the he had since, but to be fair, he's had a nightmare with injurys, but i do believe that if he can stay away from injurys, and get a good run in any team, he will prove keegans point, he will never be the player he was at liverpool, but class is permanant, and michael is a born goal scorer.
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Who's he trying to kid.... the delusional fool
Who's trying to kid who, and who's the delusional one?
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Owen is one of the best talents England has seen, being injury prone does not make him a bad player.... Personally I was gutted when he left liverpool, as he was the best player we had bar Gerrard. Just imagine him partnering torres now ....

Anyone who thinks he isn't a class act is either deluded or knows fuck-all about football
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Originally Posted by Matt J
As you're a Liverpool fan I find you slagging off both Owen and Keegan disgraceful.

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exactly and thats coming from a manchester united fan,lynne next time you are in the kop have this conversation with some of the other fans,see what loooks you get.........
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exactly and thats coming from a manchester united fan,lynne next time you are in the kop have this conversation with some of the other fans,see what loooks you get.........
Already have done and the concensus is that both Keegan and Owen are past it and not the saviours the Geordie fans need/want to get Newcastle back in top flight football. So there ya go
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Already have done and the concensus is that both Keegan and Owen are past it and not the saviours the Geordie fans need/want to get Newcastle back in top flight football. So there ya go

Bobby Charlton is now 'past it'

He still gets respect for his achievements

Why shouldnt Owen and Keegan

Again...bitterness for some unknown reason.

Just be happy with your own team and be a football supporter

You only started this thread for one reason, to get an argument

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Originally Posted by Redkop
Owen can keep us up, says Keegan
Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan believes Michael Owen is the key to his side's Premier League survival hopes.

"A lot of people have been questioning him because he is a big-name player, but he won't stop scoring if you give him chances," said Keegan.

"I am delighted to have a player like Michael at the club. His leadership and work-rate have been fantastic."

Owen's goal against the Blues was only his seventh of an injury-hit campaign, but Keegan says he has never had doubts about the 28-year-old.

"He is a clinical finisher and a very clever player," Keegan added. "Michael is top quality and a world-class player, make no mistake about that."

Who's he trying to kid.... the delusional fool
He's not trying to kid anyone, he's standing by his player. You know, the proffesional thing to do.
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I'm inclined to agree with what Redkop has said but I can justify what I type.

I do think Michael Owen has become over-rated - he certainly was in the position of having the world at his feet back in '98 after THAT goal. It is without doubt that he can still score goals but I have never been a fan of his style of play, i.e getting the majority of his goals within the 12 yard box. Whenever I watch him, I see him tumble to the deck far too often - that's either through his own choice or he doesn't possess the body strength for a tussle with a defender. It is a pity that he doesn't have the physical presence of Alan Shearer and the same willingness to have a crack at goal from all kinds of distances.

His susceptibilty to injury was a result of '98, the only way defenders could deal with him was to hit him hard and chop him down, which is something Owen has now paid for. I would say he isn't an automatic choice anymore for England because it's well documented that Capello favours tall, strong, fast forwards, none of which applies to Owen.

As for Keegan, he isn't doing himself any favours. As a player he made the right choices and certainly gave excellent service to Liverpool. As a manager, he has been screwed over a number of times (Dennis Wise anyone?).

The problem with Newcastle is that the board try to chuck limited amounts of money at the team and expect it to fix the problem. Owen is being lauded as the sole saviour of the club. Until such times that Newcastle have a team focus over an individual focus, then they will always struggle.

Newcastle have players who are only Championship standard and there is no quality throughout the squad. They need to attract/train players on the scale of Ginola, Asprilla, Lee and Albert again.
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Bobby Charlton is now 'past it'

He still gets respect for his achievements

Why shouldnt Owen and Keegan

Again...bitterness for some unknown reason.

Just be happy with your own team and be a football supporter

You only started this thread for one reason, to get an argument

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Jesus WTF has Bobby Charlton got to do with saving Newcastle's season, he doesn't play anymore! Michael Owen still does and so far you are still totally missing the point of this thread... why doesn't/can't your brain comprehend this?

In simple English for you, in the hope you can understand and digest.... Is KK for real/delusional in thinking that Owen and only Owen is his saviour for saving Newcastle from the drop. Also take into consideration the fact that even if Owen scores goals, how many games will they still lose/draw because of conceding goals? So far their goal difference is -26, they have conceded a whopping 57 goals in the PL and scored only 31. Is that a simple enough explanation for you?

May I remind also you that it was you who turned it into an argument by launching a personal attack and name calling just because my opinion of Owen isn't the same as yours, so I reiterate... cock!

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I'm inclined to agree with what Redkop has said but I can justify what I type.

I do think Michael Owen has become over-rated - he certainly was in the position of having the world at his feet back in '98 after THAT goal. It is without doubt that he can still score goals but I have never been a fan of his style of play, i.e getting the majority of his goals within the 12 yard box. Whenever I watch him, I see him tumble to the deck far too often - that's either through his own choice or he doesn't possess the body strength for a tussle with a defender. It is a pity that he doesn't have the physical presence of Alan Shearer and the same willingness to have a crack at goal from all kinds of distances.

His susceptibilty to injury was a result of '98, the only way defenders could deal with him was to hit him hard and chop him down, which is something Owen has now paid for. I would say he isn't an automatic choice anymore for England because it's well documented that Capello favours tall, strong, fast forwards, none of which applies to Owen.

As for Keegan, he isn't doing himself any favours. As a player he made the right choices and certainly gave excellent service to Liverpool. As a manager, he has been screwed over a number of times (Dennis Wise anyone?).

The problem with Newcastle is that the board try to chuck limited amounts of money at the team and expect it to fix the problem. Owen is being lauded as the sole saviour of the club. Until such times that Newcastle have a team focus over an individual focus, then they will always struggle.

Newcastle have players who are only Championship standard and there is no quality throughout the squad. They need to attract/train players on the scale of Ginola, Asprilla, Lee and Albert again.
At last someone who understands and a voice of reason.
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The difference is Redkop, Elwood took the time to make his point in an appropriate manner and came across as knowing what he talks about.

You just made sarcastic comments. Is it any wonder why most football (well Liverpool anyway) threads end up with you argueing with someone?
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Originally Posted by Escort-Ian
The difference is Redkop, Elwood took the time to make his point in an appropriate manner and came across as knowing what he talks about.

You just made sarcastic comments. Is it any wonder why most football (well Liverpool anyway) threads end up with you argueing with someone?
Sarcastic? How do you work that out, what's sarcastic in my replies up to the point Mondeo Man butted in? Are you saying having an opinion is deemed as sarcastic now, just because I don't rate Owen anymore? Good lord... whatever next

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Hey slut - seen the result


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Originally Posted by Redkop

May I remind also you that it was you who turned it into an argument by launching a personal attack and name calling just because my opinion of Owen isn't the same as yours, so I reiterate... cock!

Please fucking show me where you thick slag?????

I said you sounded bitter......which you do....as several other people have pointed out.....that isnt a personal attack .


Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Redkop, he's not a liverpool player anymore, let it go. Now you have finally found your first player to score twenty a season since Fowler just be happy. You just sound a bit bitter for some reason slagging of one of your ex players who served you very well. I'll bet you never called him a lazy fooker when he was winning you Cups and banging in the goals. You are a very sad individual


The boy is class and always will be, the body may get slower but class is permanent. You cannot argue with his record. Providing his physical conditioning comes good he will be Englands top scorer ever. End of
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Originally Posted by Mondeo Man
Hey slut - seen the result


Yep cuntflaps, but he missed more sitters than he scored.... it was Viduka who scored first so made no difference with Owen scoring
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