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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 09:19 AM
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What kind of air temperature would I be expecting to see coming out of the snail of the turbo??
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 09:24 AM
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you d be looking around 600-900 degrees depending on driving
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 09:26 AM
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think he means the compressor side not the turbine side
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Sorry, yeah - compressor side!!!
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 09:30 AM
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ah reet,....

its early....


in that case, its around 75 degrees
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 09:44 AM
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depends where you are on your compressor map

if you got your turbo compressor map, know your boost and know got a dyno printout,,, you can work it out
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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ok ok smart arse

but roughly......
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 09:59 AM
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impossible to answer without more information. easier to just measure it, surely?
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Yes this is true mate, which is what I'm planning on doing.....I was just checking that the temperature range of the gauge I was looking at (water one) was adequate for this use!!!
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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what turbo you running, how much boost,,, what car?
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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110-150°C turbo and boost dependant.
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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edit,....forget it....
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:14 AM
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Only a lowly T3 with a cossie 0.48 rear housing, 18psi at the mo but maybe 21/22psi if I get the parts I need to do so!!!

21Turbo....OF COURSE!!!
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you'll be well over 100 degrees
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:23 AM
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Cheers mate - ah well....least the gauge will be well within its range!!!
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agree with mike and gareth t - well over 100 deg on a t3 boosting at 22 psi
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As above, a water one probably wont be any good if you are measuring pre-intercooler as you could see well over 100 degrees which obviously you cant with water unless its a guage intended for a very pressurised system, most car gauges stop by about 120-140 or so that ive seen and you could easily see more than that on the ragged edges of the compressor map (where most t34 cossies are ran hence the rs500 coolers being so popular, lol)
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:04 AM
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Also, water temp senders tend to be more heavily encased in brass than air temp senders from what ive seen (although will be make dependant) so you may find they dont react quick enough to be useful as water temperatures typically change quite slowly but ACT can change in more or less an instant.
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depends on what type of water gauge,, the responce time might not be quick enough
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
depends on what type of water gauge,, the responce time might not be quick enough
Indeed, speed of response is as important as range, in the case of water senders you acutally dont want mega response, they are deliberately damped y their mass as the gauge could easily end up flicking around otherwise to a greater extent than is useful.
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Yeah, totally understand what you are saying guys.

Gauge goes upto 150deg C - worth a go really - only really interested in what the temp is at full pelt round a track (so its got plenty of time for the needle to rise after a few hot laps!) & how well my intercooler's coping!!!

I've already got a water temp one & its included in the package I'm getting so might as well try and get it to do this!!!
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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It should be pretty useful if its the peak figures you are after like that mate rather than an accurate graph of what happens and exactly when
You may just creep off the end, but im guessing that isnt going to be a problem for the level of accuracy you are after.

Dont forget to post your results back here
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:21 AM
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Lee,

Just use a thermocouple and a simple gauge

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It should be pretty useful if its the peak figures you are after like that mate rather than an accurate graph of what happens and exactly when
You may just creep off the end, but im guessing that isnt going to be a problem for the level of accuracy you are after.

Dont forget to post your results back here
Exactly right mate.....I'll come & personally tell you after a few laps of the ring!!!!
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
It should be pretty useful if its the peak figures you are after like that mate rather than an accurate graph of what happens and exactly when
You may just creep off the end, but im guessing that isnt going to be a problem for the level of accuracy you are after.

Dont forget to post your results back here
Exactly right mate.....I'll come & personally tell you after a few laps of the ring!!!!
Any chance of a passenger ride too while you are at it mate, as ive never been in one of those things used in anger in that sort of environment so im interested to see how the "legendary cossie killer" gets on
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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Why not use something like this:

http://www.jaycarelectronics.co.uk/p...Max=&SUBCATID=
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Sure thing mate - people that have been out in it before (Ring & Donington) were I think pleasantly surprised at how it well it goes, it struggled a bit I feel in some of the uphill sections of the ring but I might be running slightly more power if I can pull off some of my plans which should help!!!

"legendary cossie killer" it aint - but it certainly seemed to keep up with a few at Dono!!!
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:58 AM
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100C -170C depending on boost and ambiant air temp and time base
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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Nice little gauge

http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/productdetails.asp?product=DG%20224|407

Not cheap though at £405!
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Sure thing mate - people that have been out in it before (Ring & Donington) were I think pleasantly surprised at how it well it goes, it struggled a bit I feel in some of the uphill sections of the ring but I might be running slightly more power if I can pull off some of my plans which should help!!!

"legendary cossie killer" it aint - but it certainly seemed to keep up with a few at Dono!!!
Sounds good mate, im looking forward to it
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