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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:18 AM
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Am i right in thinking that for logging with the LM-1 wideband I only need the RPM box and not the Aux box if I then tap into the vehicles MAP/Temp etc sensors as they are all 0-5v anyway, so i dont need the aux box which basically just contains these sensors in it?

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:19 AM
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you are correct

the aux box is faster and easyer to setup though
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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the aux box is faster and easyer to setup though
Cool, cheers for the confirmation.

This is for permenant install into a vehicle though in this instance so not worried about ease of setup as will only be doing it once, will probably get an aux box later on though and a second loom to allow me to transfer the LM-1 to other vehicles too and setup easily etc.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:29 AM
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where have you found to be the cheapest place for getting the actual lamba sensor itself to use with the LM1?
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
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where have you found to be the cheapest place for getting the actual lamba sensor itself to use with the LM1?
i got my spares from a motorfactors by me,, but i have found cheaper on the web (fuelparts.something i think)

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:40 AM
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Ok mate, thanks what vehicle did you use as an example when they asked what it was for (the ones by me need a model/make/age just to sell you a tyre valve cap).

2002 vw golf or something like that?
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:43 AM
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i cant remember chip,,, i had the info on my laptop,, but thats now fucked
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:50 AM
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With the exchange rate it may be cheaper to get spares from here.

Mine is also hard-wired in the car, RPM convertor is mounted near the ECU and I tapped into the harness for boost pressure, TPS, I got my RPM siginal off the ignition amp.

Can someone send me their setting for the boost on the LM-1? I've had mine for sometime now but still not comfortable with the settings. Vaccum seems to be a bit off from what my aftermarket gauge reads.

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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Mine uses the Bosch 6066 sensor, which aint the cheapest to be honest.

I know a lot use the cheaper Veedub item, with reference numebr (this is VW ref number I think) # 021-906-262-B. This one is known as the 7057 UI think

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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JJ, thats the one im after but if i tell the motor factors the VW number it probably wont mean anything to them.
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Try this number - I think this is the Bosch PArt No.

0 258 007 057

This is for the 7057 part. I got this number from the supplier that I bought my Wideband controller etc from as a pack.

I can get you the more expensive 6066 number if you like?

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:59 AM
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STOP GIVING ME PART NUMBERS YOU CUNT

I just want to know a

Make
Model
Year

That i can tell them i own as they only operate that way round.
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http://wbo2.com/orderpage.htm#SENSORS

Just buy it from the above you tosser! The exchange rate to Oz is pretty good, and the last time, they got it to me faster than the local nobs.

I have even done the maths for you - It will cost you including packageing £97 aussie dollars, which is £38 + VAT, only if Inland Rev pick it up, which they shouldnt on something of this cost!

You wont need it till the weekend anyway!!! LOL

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:06 AM
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Techedge are a bit slow to deliver IME

6/10 for your efforts, but must try harder in future
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:07 AM
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Plus, I want to know so that if the sensor breaks I can get one next day from partco or whoever, not have to start emailing australians about it.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:09 AM
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Remember you should never run a WBo2 sensor in a car with out the sensor being powered up.
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Originally Posted by Garage19
Remember you should never run a WBo2 sensor in a car with out the sensor being powered up.
Yes dad, i remember
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Garage19
Remember you should never run a WBo2 sensor in a car with out the sensor being powered up.
Yes dad, i remember
Why - what happens?

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Garage19
Remember you should never run a WBo2 sensor in a car with out the sensor being powered up.
Yes dad, i remember
Why - what happens?

JJ
allegedly if they arent hot enough the fuel can damage them, but im not convinced its as big a problem as people make out.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:15 AM
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Answers to eeeevvvvvveeerrrything LM1 related.

Knock your self out son.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:17 AM
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Im too lazy, i dont want to go and look for answers, i want them to come to me
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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golf 20vavle turbo passat audi tt ls 4.2 sensor
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JayCos
golf 20vavle turbo passat audi tt ls 4.2 sensor

Thankyou for actaully answering the question I asked unlike that CUNT jj with his silly confusing numbers
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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chip its a standard vw wideband they have 2 fitted normally narrow and wideband you want he one that sits in the manifold
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JayCos
chip its a standard vw wideband they have 2 fitted normally narrow and wideband you want he one that sits in the manifold
cool, cheers for that
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Garage19
Answers to eeeevvvvvveeerrrything LM1 related.

Knock your self out son.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/
dont look at that heres to many comlpaints ull never buy one
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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Yeah i was looking at that forum the other day and noticed a lot of "my gauge isnt working properly" type posts
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by JayCos
golf 20vavle turbo passat audi tt ls 4.2 sensor

Thankyou for actaully answering the question I asked unlike that CUNT jj with his silly confusing numbers
You are such a lazy tool, I am surprised that you havent asked someone to go out and buy it for you and bring it round to you!!!


allegedly if they arent hot enough the fuel can damage them, but im not convinced its as big a problem as people make out.
I wonder if this explains why mine is now not working properly. I dont let the gauge warm up, I just start the car and fuck off. I'd tell you the number that th gauge reads, but I know you dont do well with numbers

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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by JayCos
golf 20vavle turbo passat audi tt ls 4.2 sensor

Thankyou for actaully answering the question I asked unlike that CUNT jj with his silly confusing numbers
You are such a lazy tool, I am surprised that you havent asked someone to go out and buy it for you and bring it round to you!!!
That would be lovely, thanks


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allegedly if they arent hot enough the fuel can damage them, but im not convinced its as big a problem as people make out.
I wonder if this explains why mine is now not working properly. I dont let the gauge warm up, I just start the car and fuck off. I'd tell you the number that th gauge reads, but I know you dont do well with numbers

JJ
You shouldnt need to let the gauge warm up before starting the car, its only prolonged use thats alleged to cause a problem.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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Do you need a specific map sensor? Any pressure transducer will work with a 0-5V output, the LM1 is fully programable. It doesn't even need to be conditioned (ie linear). The inputs are high impedance, so if the car has one, u can use that MAP sensor. I've read the my gauge isn't working posts, and have come to the conclusion they are written by retards who can't follow instructions... I've worked with loads of innovate gear and never had a single fault.

Mine is a permanant install, and has been fine for over 18 months - driven daily. It is wired to come on with ignition. You will reduce the life of the sensor if you run it cold. The LM-1 will never give you a bad reading though, if the sensor drifits it will give you an error message, and you need to replace the sensor. The digital signal processing is what seperated the Innovate from every other wideband controller. The time taken for the sensor to warm up when the car is started will not effect the life - very low pressure exhaust gas at idle, low rpm.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 12:02 PM
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BTW, u dont actually have to buy the rpm convertor to log MAP. THe LM-1 has the datalogging built in for six channels. The convertor is a D/A convertor to convert Tach pulses to a linear voltage that the LM-1 can understand. If u dont want RPM, and you're a pikey, then you can get a mini DIN connector, and wire the the MAP sensor, TPS etc straight in...
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Thanks for that info Rick, much appreciated
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wish i could go looking for a lambda sensor ... not worth it yet as im still waiting for my PLM to be delivered
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Originally Posted by Eagle
wish i could go looking for a lambda sensor ... not worth it yet as im still waiting for my PLM to be delivered
Maybe santa is going to deliver it for you
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
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wish i could go looking for a lambda sensor ... not worth it yet as im still waiting for my PLM to be delivered
Maybe santa is going to deliver it for you
dunno mate ..
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Originally Posted by Rick
Do you need a specific map sensor? Any pressure transducer will work with a 0-5V output, the LM1 is fully programable. It doesn't even need to be conditioned (ie linear). The inputs are high impedance, so if the car has one, u can use that MAP sensor. I've read the my gauge isn't working posts, and have come to the conclusion they are written by retards who can't follow instructions... I've worked with loads of innovate gear and never had a single fault.

Mine is a permanant install, and has been fine for over 18 months - driven daily. It is wired to come on with ignition. You will reduce the life of the sensor if you run it cold. The LM-1 will never give you a bad reading though, if the sensor drifits it will give you an error message, and you need to replace the sensor. The digital signal processing is what seperated the Innovate from every other wideband controller. The time taken for the sensor to warm up when the car is started will not effect the life - very low pressure exhaust gas at idle, low rpm.
What he said!

I agree. Innovate is great stuff and i have never had any probs. The self calibration and the fact it throws up an error when the results are not accurate rather than just giving you duff data is what makes it the best wbo2.
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Originally Posted by Rick
Do you need a specific map sensor? Any pressure transducer will work with a 0-5V output, the LM1 is fully programable. It doesn't even need to be conditioned (ie linear). The inputs are high impedance, so if the car has one, u can use that MAP sensor. I've read the my gauge isn't working posts, and have come to the conclusion they are written by retards who can't follow instructions... I've worked with loads of innovate gear and never had a single fault.

Mine is a permanant install, and has been fine for over 18 months - driven daily. It is wired to come on with ignition. You will reduce the life of the sensor if you run it cold. The LM-1 will never give you a bad reading though, if the sensor drifits it will give you an error message, and you need to replace the sensor. The digital signal processing is what seperated the Innovate from every other wideband controller. The time taken for the sensor to warm up when the car is started will not effect the life - very low pressure exhaust gas at idle, low rpm.
Mine is likewise a permanent install, and in less than 6 months, the sensor now only reads one figure for the vast majority of the time (14.53) irrespective of the actual mixture

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Originally Posted by JjCoDeX75
Originally Posted by Rick
Do you need a specific map sensor? Any pressure transducer will work with a 0-5V output, the LM1 is fully programable. It doesn't even need to be conditioned (ie linear). The inputs are high impedance, so if the car has one, u can use that MAP sensor. I've read the my gauge isn't working posts, and have come to the conclusion they are written by retards who can't follow instructions... I've worked with loads of innovate gear and never had a single fault.

Mine is a permanant install, and has been fine for over 18 months - driven daily. It is wired to come on with ignition. You will reduce the life of the sensor if you run it cold. The LM-1 will never give you a bad reading though, if the sensor drifits it will give you an error message, and you need to replace the sensor. The digital signal processing is what seperated the Innovate from every other wideband controller. The time taken for the sensor to warm up when the car is started will not effect the life - very low pressure exhaust gas at idle, low rpm.
Mine is likewise a permanent install, and in less than 6 months, the sensor now only reads one figure for the vast majority of the time (14.53) irrespective of the actual mixture

JJ

Mine does that when the sensor is fucked (tech edge)
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Thought as much. Lets hope that the chip change that I have bought stu complete with the Closed loop conv will increase the life expectancy of the WB

We will see!

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