Ive got a 1.6 cvh S2 which is producing 205.1 @ the wheels and im looking to rebuild it, would putting a 1.8 or 2.0 zetec bottom end give me much of improvment, i know it will give me more torque but what about power

 

full 16v zetec mate

 

agree 16v zetec 2.1 proper rods and pistons see over 300

 

if ure keeping a T28 i'd stick with CVH maybe? but if u want more power, go for Zetec Dave speak to Alan or colin, im sure they'll talk u into doin summit different!!

 

Would the tubular manifold and T28 fit onto the i6v engine

 

no it wont unl;ess u get a fabricaion company to re do the stud holes but remember more bhp better gearbox u need a bernie stage 3 box for 300 horses

 

errr, shuld do, u can tap new holes for the studs in the block or get an adaptor plate. depends where it sits, might be too close to the slam pannel but im sure u culd sort that np, so aye it shuld fit

 

1.6 with proper pistons and rods, ask shings

no fabrication and ya wont have to swop management ect too as ya would with 16v

whats ya buget though, thats what ya need to work from

just sold my 1.6 cvh and all extras ( including managent, turbo ect for 3500 grand

 

£2000 budget, would like to keep the top end bits ive got though

 

could build a 1.6 steel rodded engine with cosworth racing pistons for that

720 for rods and 550 for the pistons, then ya need new pumps and ya sorted

 

thats your rod and pistons and managament i reckon u could get 300bhp from 1600

 

aye suppose it depends how long u want to wait and how much u want to spend really.....!

PhilM does adaptor plates for putting a CVH manifold onto a Zetec block, but that will bring it further forward, so wuld prob foul the slam panel, so might have to tap the block for new studs.

 

ava did a good job of phil graham's 1.8zvh!it had different management and the turbo was round the back of the engine!think it put out about 255 bhp!

 

What kind of boost could i run with that bottom end

 

well ya dont have to swop the management, i only done it for chatter ( now im looking for a cossie that comes with chatter as standard

 

ask shings , theres a few others on here but im not sure if they want people to know all there hard work

 

what spec is ya currant bottomend

ya might just need the rods tbh as if ya already got low comp pistons then ya rods are prob the next weak link

 

mines got plenty of that atm

 

yeah i love ya car matey, really do, really want it too but the missus dont like the colour

im not kidding i wana buy it,

ya got the missfire sorted out ????

whos erst was ya thinking of out of interest ?????

 

Malhe 7.5:1 pistons with std rods, ARP rod bolts

 

no not sorted the missfire, it is deffo the turbo tho, as it is spooling up at idle (if you can call it that), after a few mins of keepin it running the missfire will clear through and when you go to pull off in it the turbo spools up again and it starts to miss again, then oil starts to run out of the turbo - manifold join, so think the oil seal in the turbo is fubar and therefore oil is getting into the cylinders under load (even light load) and causing it to miss

as for the Rst, can't say m8

oh and my mrs hated all magenta cossie's even this 1 when I first got it, now she loves the colour (just hates cossie's now )

 

t28 your better asking the guys at ava! but i think it was about 21psi! it was fast the engine originally came out of a red rst they bult that was in pf top speed shoot out! think the plate on the car was c8 rst????? but just ask the guys about phil grahams white s2 g460 lso! they'll know exactly who your on about!

 

I know the car you are talkin about it made 210 @ the wheels at that shoot out, it was a 1.8 zvh

 

2000 isn't a lot of money to do it properly regardless of engine you choose

Rods about 700 yep
Pistons about 600
Then you NEED the full works of a head to flow it to get proper power plus a 5th injector never asked Karlos how much that was gonna cost but I bet you're talking the best part of the rest of ya money plus a bit more.

Plus you still need all the other bits and pieces like gaskets/pumps/seals etc - You're looking more at 3k or there abouts coz you will need it setup properly too and dont forget the labour to build the engine properly.

Shings

 

that Red S2 was C12 RST, it made good power till the white S2 owner blew it sumhow but thats another can of worms Rab off here used to own C12 RST at some point

 

yeh the phil just didn't know how to look after it! the guy who's got it now has just put 2.1 zvh in it!with big valve head! should be putting out some big power soon!

 

It gets confusing with all the different things you can do to get extra brake ponies.With engine,head and turbo variations.We need a flow chart of some sort to help out including costs.I decide on one route then I get put off when I see another way.I would like to get 300 plus but would like to keep the cvh lump?The more people you talk to the more confusing it gets.

 

no point going to the extra expense of the 16v IMO.

Just rebuild your 1.6 steel rods / proper pistons etc. Tims made 320ish.

I was very happy with my 2.1zvh and deffo recommend it but there is no real advantage over a proper 1.6 in power potential. Mine made 290bhp @ 20psi and the only thing stopping me going higher was the standard rods. So IMO unless you want 350+ then there is no point going down the zetec route, as this is achievable with the cvh head.

Then again in my experience, don't bother wasting yer money on a bean tin! Wish I'd kept mine standard. I'd be rich!

 

just think of the good times you had in the car

surely that out weighs a big pocket of cash

 

well if ya got malhe's dont think ya deffo need new pistons tbh, im asuming ya got a stage 3 head and a decent cam ( cvh36 is a nice choice imo, then i did get it recomended by God )

just throw in rods and see what happens, remember at high rpm ya rods screw up so change em and see what happens

or aint rudey selling his old 1900 block, buy that, get decent rods and ya laughing

 

Ive got a stage 2 head and a newman cam

 

so ya should beable to sort it, what hp ya looking for ?????

ya got a fifth injector too ????

infact post up ya spec and get opinions form all on here, not saying im anyway near a expert, i did have a shite load of help from loads of people on here and stu@MSD ( think his user name is god ) speced all my engine and gave me a list of things to buy and reasons ect ( all went over my head )

speak to DazC on here too as he knows a fair bit about cvh's ( top guy too, yet another who helped me)

if ya want advice on zvh's of all try philm as hes a top chappy too

 

Before doing anything u need to rethink on the money you have 2k aint gonna get you anything near fast.

 

shings, thats not stricly true, oranocos erst has a lot of whats prob classed as old school mods but fook me its fast 149.9 at brunters aint too bad for a low comp malhes, fifth injector, stage 3 head, pace cooler and a stage 2 turbo

infact ive been in the car and its not fooking slow either, be quicker if he reduced weight by removeing the stereo, stripped interiour ( hes got 90 spec full trim)


oh and removed all the dirt greese and grime on it, and theres a lot of it too

thats why i dont think for what hes got 2 grand will do alot imo

i would have spent 5500 grand on my engine ect when it would have been done


but then a cossie would cost 500 quid to make the same power

but dont get me wrong your car is a fooking legend , i love it and changed my outlook on erst conversions but for whats hes got 2 grand would do

 

Mate- ok I didn't build or spec the engine but before I brought the car I did go through with Karl what is required and from what he's got 2000 isn;t enough to make it fast like mine or Ollies- 2000 is enough to make it quicker than most.
The only thing he has thats any use is the Turbo as I believe they're up to the job.

Tell you what- a lot of people think they have fast ERST's but there is a world of difference between them and real fast ones.

Ultimatly it is what ever the lad in question wants to do and can afford.

I wouldn't waste 2k in not doing something quite right than doing a little bit that is required to watch it fall apart again. Hence costing you more than double in the long run.

what ever his choice is I hope he gets a big a smile on his face as I do when I drive my car- at the end of the day thats whats important.

J

 

i know what ya saying but wasnt sure he wanted 300 bhp


but on a serious note about ya car

whats the torque steer like and how does the boost come it ect

just wondering if 300bhp erst is undrivable as a daily car, always wanted to know as i was hoping to get 270 to 300 from mine but never did


oh and as for all the time and effort karl but in the car, thats alot of work he did and a great job he did too

thje only downside is that loads of people will copy his hardwork and pirate his knowledge and dos a car that will be similer ( not the same though )

still recon for 2 grand if he knows what hes doing he could steel rod his malhes and get some decent stuff to work from


oh and nobodys cars ever finished, would ya say ya not gonna do anymore to the car

oh and whats ya car worth ???? ( not what ya payed obv), just wondering if people sell cars as yours is prob one of the good ones, gives me a idea of what mine might have been worth

 

I deffo agree with cars never finishing.

Had 130bhp and was happy (for 10 minutes) wanted 150. Got 150 and thought it was nice but it didn't take long to think 200 would be nice. Got to 200 and 250 was looking rather appealing. Guess what? I've now got 250 and you'd never guess what I'm thinking now

 

i hate rain ?????

 

£2000 is'nt even enough to buy one of my steel bottom ends, never mind the rest of the engine.

Some of you live in dream land, to obtain a proper 300bhp + cvh you're looking at around £4500 for a complete basic engine without managment and anciliaries, or as a complete package with IC and mgmt etc around £7k.

 

Interesting questions-

I would drive it daily no worries- but you cant park it, it drinks petrol like its going out of fashion, its loud, uncomfortable, takes a lot of consentration to drive quickly- the tourque steer is bareable and the boost is fine- awesome infact.
The biggest bug bare is breaking it costs a lot of money

As the car stands now it owes me between 4k + 4.5k (thats not what I paid btw) If I sold it I would want that much for it as it is a reflection of what the car owes me and what its worth- if I ever sell the car I have to take into account Tim and Chad when selling it as I dont make money out of my mates. I wouldn't sell it for much less as it would break for more though which is another thing to take into account.

Difficult to pirate Karls knowledge as its all inside where u cant see.

I am going to do no more to the car engine wise and nothing at all in any other dep't

J