Ford Escort RS Turbo This forum is for discussion of all things pertaining to the Ford Escort Rs Turbo Series 1 and 2.

just fitted new cam "still tapping"

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 02:40 PM
  #1  
mitchrst's Avatar
mitchrst
Thread Starter
1981
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: midlands
Default just fitted new cam "still tapping"

i just fitted a brand new cvh 35 kent cam kit done everything right loads of cam lube etc ran it in for 20 mins at 2500 rpm sounds perfect when idle but when you rev it a little it sounds taperty if you know what i mean a light tapping sound any ideas what it could be
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 03:14 PM
  #2  
iamrab's Avatar
iamrab
PassionFord Regular
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
From: northern ireland
Default

like tappets tappety or low tapping? ....did u get the whole cam kit or just the cam?
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 03:54 PM
  #3  
davsmith64's Avatar
davsmith64
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 673
Likes: 0
From: barnsley, south yorkshire
Default

your head may be worn where the lifters slot in mate
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 04:12 PM
  #4  
steven botes's Avatar
steven botes
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
From: south arica
Default

yeah , whole kit or just a cam itself?
if you do not lower the rocker assembly with a smaller washer , you will have a horribly tappety sound as the lifters are now extended to max and cannot follow the valve
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 04:51 PM
  #5  
mitchrst's Avatar
mitchrst
Thread Starter
1981
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: midlands
Default

i fitted the whole kit sounds as its being ran in water than oil
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 04:58 PM
  #6  
steven botes's Avatar
steven botes
Regular Contributor
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
From: south arica
Default

i had a similar prob with a vernier which did not "butt up" against the washer . the slot on the vernier had worn slightly and was knocking against the key on the cam , very noisy at idle , went away with some rpm
this washer actually keeps the vwernier in place , check it out and tighten
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 05:18 PM
  #7  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

Your rockers may be worn to a point wher the hydraulic lifters can't soak up the clearance......
Reply

Trending Topics

Old Aug 12, 2006 | 05:36 PM
  #8  
mitchrst's Avatar
mitchrst
Thread Starter
1981
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: midlands
Default

Originally Posted by SafeChav
Your rockers may be worn to a point wher the hydraulic lifters can't soak up the clearance......

hi mate is there anyway to check if the rockers are worn ?
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 06:09 PM
  #9  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

well you can check the obvious things like looking at them but it will be hard to tell.

To be honest, the only way the top end can tap, is if there is gaps.

If you spin the engine over in the same manner as you would to check valve clearnces using the rule of 9, you can play with each rocker and see if there is any noticeable play, if there is that indicates wear, if its tight and no slop then that should be a good indication there is no wear

you did say you fitted a brand new cam and set of lifters didnt you?
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 06:29 PM
  #10  
mitchrst's Avatar
mitchrst
Thread Starter
1981
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: midlands
Default

yes mate full kit cam , lifters , springs etc the thing is it was sort of making the same noise before i changed the cam thats why i replaced it
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 06:32 PM
  #11  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

Check the clearances as i said above
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2006 | 06:59 PM
  #12  
Rick's Avatar
Rick
15K+ Super Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 15,885
Likes: 17
From: Stockport, Cheshire
Default

what oil it on? Loads are a bit tappy even when new. Luck of the draw - not detrinental to peformance though.
Reply
Old Aug 13, 2006 | 03:04 PM
  #13  
mitchrst's Avatar
mitchrst
Thread Starter
1981
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: midlands
Default

Originally Posted by Rick
what oil it on? Loads are a bit tappy even when new. Luck of the draw - not detrinental to peformance though.

it has got 0-40 mobil one
Reply
Old Aug 13, 2006 | 03:39 PM
  #14  
biglee's Avatar
biglee
Audio specialist
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,633
Likes: 1
From: daventry,northants
Default

you need 10-40 for cvh hydrolic lifters.... they are all noisy on 0-40....its a tad to thin,

millers 10-40 race spec fully sinthetic oil is the booolocks,

and you also may have low oil flow to the head, if its quiet at idle.
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2006 | 10:21 PM
  #15  
Christian and Beccy's Avatar
Christian and Beccy
#1 in Spelling Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 23,329
Likes: 6
From: Norfolk
Default

Could just be some air still in the lifters. Needs some RPM to get rid of it.
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2006 | 10:36 PM
  #16  
notSteveS2's Avatar
notSteveS2
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 841
Likes: 0
Default

as above.... try givin her a run for a while... with sum right foot action every so often...

shud help...
Reply
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 12:05 PM
  #17  
mitchrst's Avatar
mitchrst
Thread Starter
1981
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: midlands
Default

i have put 10-50 oil in it now but still the same
ok i will take it out for a good thrash see if that helps
Reply
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 12:10 PM
  #18  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

Originally Posted by mitchrst
i have put 10-50 oil in it now but still the same
ok i will take it out for a good thrash see if that helps
don't thrash it, just take it for a good drive!!
Reply
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 01:02 PM
  #19  
davidnormanuk's Avatar
davidnormanuk
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,474
Likes: 0
From: Barnsley, South Yorkshire
Default

15-50 fully synthetic oil is all I put in mine now. I just make sure she's warmed up before i give it some.
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2006 | 04:36 PM
  #20  
mattrst90spec's Avatar
mattrst90spec
I'm Finding My Feet Here Now
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 109
Likes: 0
From: Wisbech (Cambridgeshire)
Default

Yes i agree, i only use mobil 1 15-50 oil.
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 10:14 AM
  #21  
mitchrst's Avatar
mitchrst
Thread Starter
1981
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: midlands
Default

update tried all the above new rockers new oil 10-50 still got the cvh death rattle
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 11:45 AM
  #22  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

Low oil pressure? Blocked oil ways?
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 11:54 AM
  #23  
mitchrst's Avatar
mitchrst
Thread Starter
1981
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 212
Likes: 0
From: midlands
Default

Originally Posted by SafeChav
Low oil pressure? Blocked oil ways?

oil pressures ok

i got the head and cam from jamsport so the head is really clean no oilways blocked
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 01:06 PM
  #24  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

And the cam and lifters were definately brand new?
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 01:11 PM
  #25  
ian r's Avatar
ian r
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
From: CLEVEDON NEAR BRISTOL
Default

take the dizzy off and make sure in the end of the camshaft there is a ball bering not a hole if its missing thats why its rattleing its nuts off
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 01:24 PM
  #26  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

Originally Posted by ian r
take the dizzy off and make sure in the end of the camshaft there is a ball bering not a hole if its missing thats why its rattleing its nuts off
Hows that? Loss of oil pressure or something?
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 02:51 PM
  #27  
saphc05's Avatar
saphc05
15000
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Default

did you put tappets in oil b4 you fitted them. put them in a tub and cover them in oil to get the air out of them
Reply
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 05:33 PM
  #28  
ian r's Avatar
ian r
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
From: CLEVEDON NEAR BRISTOL
Default

yea causes loss of pressure had i b4 on a piper cam
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2006 | 09:23 AM
  #29  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

ian r Lets not go into Piper cams

saphc05, if you leave lifters in a tub of oil to soak there is no way that alone will get the air out, the hydraulic lifters meter oil so pressurised oil fed into them will remove air quickly and effeciently
Reply
Old Sep 4, 2006 | 05:45 PM
  #30  
saphc05's Avatar
saphc05
15000
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Default

being a ford tech since 1988 ive found that leaving lifters in oil does help cos ive seen other people just throw them in and have problems though you are right pressurised oil should remove the air but this is not always the case, safer to have oil in on start up than a couple of seconds after
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2006 | 09:30 AM
  #31  
SafeChav's Avatar
SafeChav
10K+ Poster!!
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 13,798
Likes: 1
From: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Default

Originally Posted by saphc05
being a ford tech since 1988 ive found that leaving lifters in oil does help cos ive seen other people just throw them in and have problems though you are right pressurised oil should remove the air but this is not always the case, safer to have oil in on start up than a couple of seconds after
Don't get me wrong i always leave mine in a tub of oil anyway, just the way you worded it made it sound like you relied upon this to remove all the air
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 05:32 PM
  #32  
saphc05's Avatar
saphc05
15000
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Default

sry m8 will try to be more clearer next time
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
JoeyBoyden
Restorations, Rebuilds & Projects.
26
Jan 4, 2024 02:36 PM
RUBY123
Ford RS Turbo Parts for Sale
9
Oct 22, 2023 12:04 PM
Danielbetty
Ford RS Cosworth Parts for Sale
6
Oct 3, 2015 06:01 PM
martsmotor
Ford Focus Range
1
Aug 27, 2015 08:08 PM
JoeyBoyden
General Car Related Discussion.
20
Aug 22, 2015 03:23 PM




All times are GMT. The time now is 05:52 PM.