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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 07:30 AM
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MAYBE A QUESTION FOR CHIP.....................

Want to strip off the sump tomorrow, so i can start cleaning the block etc ready for a lick of paint.

One question!

I have one cam that has been removed thus leaving the tappets exposed (dont worry the cam covers on!) but i'm worried about turning the engine over on the stand like this.

I dont want to end up with the tappets falling out & getting mixed up.


Drama queen i know! But i'd rather ask stupid questions than stick posts up saying i've fucked it!
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 07:57 AM
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just remove the followers then!, use a valve grinding stick with the suction cup ends to get the followers out, but make sure you make a note of which ones go where
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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As above. DON'T use a magnet to get them out.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:39 AM
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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Doh did fancy taking the head to bits being honest.............

I'm on a downward spiral with this engine!
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:52 AM
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Use a bit of something under the cam caps to hold them in place then? Bit of 2x1 wood?









but could actually work...
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 09:53 AM
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Dont forget to drain the oil awsell
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Originally Posted by StickerPaul
Dont forget to drain the oil awsell
Oil................

All i have in my head is water mate!
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Franco
All i have in my head is water

And a whole lot of air...







Oh, you mean the engine, nevermind...

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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:08 AM
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Air................nah thats deffo leaving the roost mate!
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Originally Posted by Franco
Originally Posted by StickerPaul
Dont forget to drain the oil awsell
Oil................

All i have in my head is water mate!
In the sump you div
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if the cam is removed, all valves on that side will be closed so nothing to worry about

the tappets cannot go anywhere anyway.

and it wouldn't matter if they were mixed up in my experience
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
if the cam is removed, all valves on that side will be closed so nothing to worry about

the tappets cannot go anywhere anyway.
I thought that at first, but he means turn the whole engine upside-down on the stand so the lazy git can take the sump off without bending over...
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by St3V3_C
Originally Posted by foreigneRS
if the cam is removed, all valves on that side will be closed so nothing to worry about

the tappets cannot go anywhere anyway.
I thought that at first, but he means turn the whole engine upside-down on the stand so the lazy git can take the sump off without bending over...
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Originally Posted by Franco
Originally Posted by St3V3_C
lazy git
At least you are honest I guess
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:14 AM
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as the day is long!
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:22 AM
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I was reading this viewing it the same way as ForeignRS, wondering why turning the engine over would matter, lol


Just take them out and keep them in order.

Im really not convinced by the arguments against using a very weak magnet on them though TBH, ive done it so many times in the past with other engines and not had a problem, but a valve grinding stick tends to be my weapon of choice just in case there is some truth in the paranoia.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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Cheers lads!

Another question (off a list of many!) answered!
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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why not a magnet i can hear many people asking ???
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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Go on then Pete...........

Why not a magnet!
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:26 AM
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oh yeah, "turn it over" as in turn it upside down, not rotate the crank

would help if he could speak proper english wouldn't it?

as said, it doesn't matter if they get mixed around unless the head is extremely worn so just take them out with a suction tool (the type normally used to grind in valves)
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Franco
Go on then Pete...........

Why not a magnet!
fucked if i know ..... and no doubt plenty of others are thinking the same .. so why not then mate ???
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:29 AM
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the reason that you don't use a magent is because if you do, you will magnetise the follower surface. that will then hold onto any particles floating about that will get between the follower and the cam lobe where you have very high pressures and a thin oil film and the cam lobes will wear very quickly
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The thoery with the magnet being a problem is that you magnetise and followers and therefore in the future any tiny bits of swarf in the oil that go through them will be attracted to them and stay there, thus causing problems with their operation.
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Snap
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:31 AM
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see .. now everyone who reads it will know


including me ...
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