Do you think that the reason there is less and less interest from the big BHP Cossies boys to enter TOTB is because of the fact they know they can't compete with the Skylines, etc? I know if it were me and I had ploughed xxx amount of cash into a car and knew it wouldn't win I would be very reluctant to enter it incase of blow ups,etc. Should big straight/V6 engines be in a different class to even things up?

 

The only was to get the cossie boys interested in the event is to just add a trophy for the first car to break

 

I reckon we would clean up

 

dont know how totb works

are the cossies in the same category as skylines etc ?

 

In some ways yes.

But for most people that build a powerful car they are proud of it whatever it does and will still want to show it off.

A 10 year old car (2.0ltr turbo) producing 600bhp is blooming impressive in my book

You should expect a 4 year old (2.5ltr twin turbo with 4 times as much spent on it) to produce more.

 

i would have entered but the entry for the cossies was t34 with NOS min LOL

 

u cant compare a 4 pot 2.0 to a 6 pot 3.0

cossie has nothing to loss

 

Indeed, but it's a competition and you get no points for looking good. If it were rallying, etc, engine size,spec would play a part no? I wouldn't enter 1.6 RST in the Cossie class would I?

 

our aim overall is to find the quickest road cars , regardless of cc's, drivetrain and mods, while still being able to compete at all 3 events, ie winning on points, not just at drag racing.
while we do have the class structure, and trophies for the different drivetrain configurations, the overall winner has been a skyline for the last 2 years.
the cossy team have tried just as hard again to put up a 10 cars team, but unfortunately this time round there werent the full 10 for various reasons of cars not being ready. however, the cossys that are coming aren't exactly slow and will do very well i reckon. the other marques have raised their game again and the entry list this time is probably the strongest we have had yet for totb.

on a seperate note we have also now some brilliant prizes donated for the fastest non tuner entry cars from AET turbos!

 

i heard thier gonna do a special 1 of the best just for fords, atleast 1 MIGHT make it

 

4year old? Or 14year old GTRs began in 1990, not much newer than cossies.

4times as much spent? Howd you know any more has been spent?



Regarding the question--

I think there maybe should be 2 categorys, upto 2.499cc, and 2500cc+ categorys.

 

I personally think TOTB is a fantastic idea. The problem is you have to keep the interest for people to compete. It would be a sad day that Cossies, RST's or indeed any car didn't enter because they basically had no chance. You need to encourage as varied a field as possible, so that everyone can see what is the best RST, R5, Scooby, Cossie, Skyline, etc, but that may involve making more classes. What about N/A? They can't compete with turbo cars, even the Vipers. Why not have 1.6, 2.0, 3.0 or unlimited, etc?

 

trouble with cc classes is that in EVERY form of motorsport with capacity restrictions someone always cheats anyway if they can, and so they have to resort to sealing engines etc!

we have no rules on engine mods , size or type, yet the n/a cars are still keen to take part and show what they can do.

 

6 classes- RWD, FWD, 4x4, and for each, 2 engine classes- Sub 2.6 and over 2.6 (no point being more engine classes than that as with this amount of power and turbos make capacity less relavent)

Main reason to have the split at 2.6 is to keep the GTRs and Supras from totaly Pasting the Cossies

That leaves the GTSTs (2.5) and the Scoobs/EVOs etc to contend with cossies (many of them being 2.2-2.5 stroker conversions).

And overall winner of each event (ie 1/4, handling, top speed) and outright winner, obviously.

 

sounds good to me

 

Indeed you can't ask for homologation or sealed engines, but look at the list. Where are the fast R5's, Fiat Unos or dare I say fast nova/corsa's, etc that can run very respectable times/speeds? You need to involve as many varied type of car as possible to appeal to as many people as possible to make the event grow. It looks more like Jap fest at the mo

 

The Unos/5s/Novas etc are in FWD class so changing the rules wont matter a fuck to them you fool as they not up against the Jap stuff....

 

Was just an example Steve, but to get more people interested you have to involve lower spec cars. That's how max power made there millions lol

But that aside, what is the FWD class made up of? Rover and Ford? You were a R5 boy, so know how fast they can be, yet none enter? If all you're interested in seeing is the fastest cars, then ditch the Cossies and just watch the Skylines and Supras burn it up, but Joe Bloggs that can't afford them has nothing to aspire to.

 

how many fwd run over 2.6 cc

 

Migweb have been invited, just noone bothers entering.
I know of a few novas/astras that would kill this years line up of RSTs

 

we have the fastest fwd cars coming tho, proven many times, unfortunately its been a rover/mg for the past few years. if any fast R5 turbos want to enter the fwd class they can, min entry is a sub 14s run on the 1/4m. a genuinely fast fwd car can do ok as andy nicholls proved in totb1. unfortunatley you can see any number of 14s+ fwd r5 turbos at any normal rwyb day.

the rwd class is actually stronger this year than ever, and its likely a rwd car could win overall as well this time.

the 4wd class has always been ultra competitive

 

EIL your missing a couple more points...

No point having loads of low powered classes as NOBODY CARES, who wants to go watch a load of slow shit running? We already have to watch a load of FWDs running 14s FFS...

And TIME/SPACE, why have any more cars running than already? Jus means more time watching slow stuff (getting bored) while waiting for the quick stuffs turn.

Im glad you dont run the event, every car would end up with about 2 runs each and itd be the last TOTB ever as itd be shit

 

we actually had to set min entry limits to restrict the numbers of new cars and clubs wanting to enter. TOTB is geared toward the ultimate cars, hence the variety, ie vipers, skylines, cossies, evos, etc etc. some of the fwd cars set times that also beat other classes on the drag and cct, and the odd car also proves it worth at top speed, ie sunny's.

unfortunately at this stage the fords arent quite as strong this year, but that can and will probably change for next time. cars are constantly evolving, its like man utd having had the premiership for so long, now other teams are starting to claw it back a bit!

 

pmsl @ steve

i can see next years entry requirement proven under 9sec 1/4's

 

Well I could say every FWD car can run a faster time than your Skyline at the moment, but I wont. What you've said sums things up exactly, no point entering unless you have huge power, hence why enter 500bhp Cos when it wont hack it? Why bother with FWD? In your eyes it isn't worth watching? If you want to see power go watch an F1 dragster, then the Skylines will seem like they're standing still. It's not about seeing ultimate speed, but seeing what other cars can do. How many people feel there car ain't worth showing because of that attitude/perception?

 

they don't go round a track circuit though its not all about straight line speed

I agree its about seeing what other cars can do, but if the other cars can't do anything exceptional, i don't wanna see

As chris has already said, you can watch the mid 14s runs at the pod.
Also i do think the 1/4 target for the fwd should be reduced to 13.5

 

easy post for spectators

dont see many of u hand over 20k to get car ready

 

if thats your prioriety go for it, certainly ain't mine

besides many other people will still do it

 

easy to say that wen u car/cash/time aint on line

 

If I had the car, I'd enter. I'd never have the cash to win, but fuck it, I'd have a crack trying. My m8 Dave is entering his Scooby next year, should do well. It won't win, but thats not the point. I wish I had his bank account....

 

I could say your a middleaged prick who still drives a kids beantin with graphics of a budget petrol station on it, but i wont

What a crock of shit.

A 500bhp cossie is WELL fast enough to be worth watching. A FWD running mid 14s and hitting under 140 by the end of the top speed ISNT.

Its about entertainment and time/space, you need limits, hence the rules TOTB is run by, and the possible changes i mentioned (the ones Ish replyd with "sounds good" to, not the 1st set).

Either your daft, or doing an IMA/RichW and arguing for the sake of it

 

It is yes, so whats your point ranj
What just because i ain't spending my money on a piece of metal i've got much better things to spend my hard earned cash on thanks.

I suppose you'd want all the spectators to personally thankyou too for entertaining them too?

 

yes i suppose that wud be nice, tho personally takin it a bit to far

 

Interesting Post............There is a load of good points raised above.

Ultimatly is it not down to what your perception of entertainment is & where your interests lie?

Personaly I chose not to compete at TOTB this year as i dont see the appeal in watching an RST when I could be watching a Cossie/Evo/Supra/Skyline Viper etc competing.

Which validates James point about Competition and Steves point about what Id personaly like to see.

I appreciate from Chris's point of view that the event has to create revenue and the best way to ensure/only way to ensure this is the big crown pleasers.

Ranj from a potential competitors point of view am 100% with you, the risk factors/potential budget that needs set aside for the 1 day for an individual is ludicrous.....competition at what cosŁ.

So the Best get Better and Better the cars become faster and faster then the marques fewer and fewer.......and then what happened?

I guess that this post was prompted by a similar thought!

 

Like I said Before....too bad that the cost of shipping a car oversees (US to UK) is so expensive!! we have some very "Happy to race ANYTHING" XR's here that WILL surprise some of the bigger engine Jap boys!

 

TBH id have no problems in running at TOTB, i own cars to use and use hard, TOTB action would be no harder use than id be using the car in general.

IMO there FAR too many people who have mad spec cars jus to say they have them and never use them at full wack, now THATS a waste of money to me.

FFS Rocket Ronnie is DRIVING his car to TOTB3...

 

you mean like your mate ian. LOL

 

EXACTLY!

Tho i guess his is a Demo Car for Racetek so some excuse.

 

yeah and totally fucked too

 

well the EA/GT35 combo generally does that