.had a block wire rang.a few years ago and the wire is looking a bit flat its only welding wire that ther how do u get it out any tips

 

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Done mine this weekend all i done was knocked it out with a small screwdriver but you will find its not welding wire as welding wire is copper coated steel you need pure copper as welding wire will not squash down and will not let the head seal hope this helps

 

ellicoss

you dont want the wire too squash, they are there too increase head gasket pressure

 

you rang my lord

 

so how do you get the wire out then .i know how it works so .just need to know how to remove or best way to

 

find the end of the wire USE a scalpel type screw driver and tap it gently with a hammer

 

 

Are they complete (i.e. no end)? They *may* be Wills Rings??

....Or was the smiley for a 'why didn't I think of that?' ??

 

Billabong
ther is a littel gap but i cant get them out

 

then YOUR not trying hard enough

 

we used this system about 10 years ago with grass track cars and scrapped it as it didnt work ,,im amazed people still use it today !

 

supposed to be not worth doing as there are proper gaskets now instead.

 

it worked 100% for me car runs 2.5 bar and never blown a head gasket just a freshen up realy

 

my engine had these and i couldn't get them to seal properly.

firstly if the grooves in the block are not perfect then it wont work anyway. secondly there will inevitably be a gap where the wire ends meet. gasket keeps blowing.

finished up machining the block to get rid of them (30 thou) and using different pistons to get comp correct. avoid at all costs!!

 

If done correctly it is fine and works very very well,

if you've had them before people and had problems i think you would do better looking at how it was done rather than the actual idea itself?

Lee

 

 

AVA have wire rung a good few high power cossies now without any probs

my engine is wire wrung and im sure martins will be too

 

My old saph was too,

37psi plus 100shot of gas and it never gave any problems for the 25000miles of hammer i gave it.

 

 

[quote="pgt"]my engine had these and i couldn't get them to seal properly.

firstly if the grooves in the block are not perfect then it wont work anyway. secondly there will inevitably be a gap where the wire ends meet. gasket keeps blowing.


the ONLY way that could happen WOULD be if the person doing the job DOESN'T know what he/she is doing m8!


YOU CAN NOT USE A METAL TYPE HEAD GASKET WITH A BLOCK THAT'S BEEN WIRE WRUNG DUE TO IT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEAL

 

Tib

You must just be lucky as everyone i know who had this done had big problems with it ,I raced cars for 7 years so new a lot of people ( inc myself ) who payed out a lot of money to have this done and didnt even get a full season before it destroyed the head and block of there engines .

How many motorsport people ( and i mean proper motorsport people) not them who think 2 blasts up a strip is motorsport still use this ???

Paul

 

firstly if the grooves in the block are not perfect then it wont work anyway. secondly there will inevitably be a gap where the wire ends meet. gasket keeps blowing.


well... that comment was mine and you're right i didn't know how to do it properly. but thats the point, why not just use a decent gasket and bin the whole concept of wire rings

 

well... that comment was mine and you're right i didn't know how to do it properly. but thats the point, why not just use a decent gasket and bin the whole concept of wire rings [/quote]

so because YOU didn't know how to do it properly that makes it a crap idea

I've known many people that have and still do use this dependant on which application the engines being used for!


decent head gasket??? name me any make of gasket that IS 100% fail prove!

 

all sorted new wire in block just need a hammer and screw driver

 

We have done 5 now and all 5 are perfect and all running higher spec than a standard gasket should allow so its been well worth doing, and only costing 30 quid its been very good value,

my saph's spec with the gas on was more than some wrc spec gaskets seem to be able to handle too.

Anyway its horses for courses as they say and i and anyone i know thats done it have been satisfied with the results

 

Tib

Just goes to show . yours is a well proven car and you are happy ,

As for grass track cars i suppose they just demand to much from this system

Paul

 

Hi Peeps

I had a wire rung 200 block yrs ago with grp a gasket (yb 0611)

when i was on the greens i did 38,000 mile in 5/6 yrs which included track days ..1/4 mile days and general road abuse
never had a problem what so ever

there is better things out there for the cossie now like the wrc gaskets or cometics , but with these you have to make sure the block and the head is totally flat (slightly skim the block and head job done )

marco

 

Mines fine aswell

 

To be honest.. if history is anything to go by i've had more reliability from wire rung block than anything else and if i had the money to experiment i'd like to give it a go on my current engine

 

lee

i don't think you will have a problem to be honest , it's just when the wrc gaskest was made (mountune)rally and race engine builders went this route instead ( instead of the wire ring )

i know yrs ago that all the race team use to use wire rung blocks

thats was the only way at the time keep the head gasket in place with out it popping and the other route was coppers rung block you had the choice of 2

but just because something comes out that is newer doesn't mean that old stuff is not as good

Marco

 

I know what your saying but i'm just wary of the standard gaskets fire ring actually being a strong enough metal to withstand the extra heat that the nitrous gives??

this was my last metal gasket, i'm not saying it was gasket failure alone as i think it was something else that caused it to go but you can see the way the gas eats anything in its path lol

 

Wire rings are like Coopers rings..FINE if everything else is absolutely spot on...if not then big money...crap idea to use nowadays with the likes of cometics etc....my block has had the wire rings machined out...SCS done this....My experience with coopers was disaster..LOL.

 

Ive had 2 wire rung HT racing engines in 2wd Cars, both on 205 blocks , both were fine and ran a pinto or std cos head gasket up to 2.0bar . As soon as i added a T4 tho , all fkin hell let loose , the wire blew out the side of the block , destroyed the head and dropped valves into pistons , big mess ! Long studs and Coopers rings or a WRC gasket now !

 

to me its an age old idea that was the best that could be done at the time, the wires were lifed of a good power motor , only ever seen 18months work out of one in road trim, in race trim , i wouldnt even entertain it, ever.


as for a gap ? WTF - there is no gap if there done properly.

 

Never had a problem with them on my old engines at high boost/ nos whatever Dont think my new engine is using them though as Ipaid through the nose for an expensive gasket lol

 

as for a gap ? WTF - there is no gap if there done properly

so how do you join the ends of the welding wire together to get rid of the gap?

 

you need to chamfer the edges pal, so that the wire ends lie together, one underneath the other