By GnR of course what u recon its gonna be like, apparentally coming out with a year. will be nothing on the old stuff but good to here some new stuff from axle.

 

confused please elaborate

still pissed am

 

 

the real GnR have a new singer now.

 

Graham S1

can you explain ...sounds like one of my 10 stella threads

 

Nah the real Guns and Roses have axle rose in since he owns the rights to the name. Axle has been working on a new album for the last 8 years but record labels keep on dropping him and stuff but it sounds like it gonna be coming out within the next year. u can here some of the demo tracks of limewire and stuff. they sound pretty bad but they are only demos and stuff.

The bands just axle and aload of unknown ppl on the guitar and drums ect. same ppl that was going to tour britain in 2001 and where on the MTV awards in 2001. aparrently they are playing the download festival.

 

I have heard three demo's from the forth coming album "Chinese Democracy" and my opinion? I think they are shit I don't like the route and style Axl has decided to go for, and to be honest, you can tell the difference IMMEDIATELY between the guitar playing style on this and Slash's playing style - the man has a unmistakeable sound and without him, there is no Guns'N'Roses - whether Axl owns the name or not.

Axl has spent the last 10 years and millions of dollars trying to record this album, and to be honest, I think it will flop badly, while Velvet Revolver prosper greatly

And in regard to Graham S1's comment - I agree : the "real" GNR have a new singer For those that find this cryptic - the majority of GNR left and formed a new band called Velvet Revolver. Slash (guitars) Duff (bass) and Matt Sorum (drums) hired ex Stone Temple Pilots vocalist and another guitarist and they rock!!!!!!

 

Well, not really unknown as such. "Buckethead" is an AMAZING guitarist, who has played on literally THOUSANDS of sessions, and "Brain" used to play drums for Primus...

 

yeah i know will never be as good as apetit or even ilusion but just looking forward to hearing what it will be like. i got all of GnR's albums so i think i'll have to buy this anyway

 

tbh i agree with comments above...there is no guns n roses anymore...well not like they used to be anyways.i was seriously considering going to download this year to see tallica and gnr for old times sake but i tracked down some of the chinese democracy demos online last night and tbh i dont think im going to bother

 

I got an Email from a promoter today, Download has pretty good bands playing, Saturday Metallica headlining, Sunday GnR headlining

 

Along with Korn, Prodigy, and The Deftones

 

i wid go if there was more decent bands playin (lot of cash for tallica,prodigy and guns n roses)



must be getting old

 

motherhupit - So have I mate, got em all including a few super rare ones (including an original 7" pressing of "Live ?!*@ Like a Suicide" ) but I won't be buying this one.... To me, Guns'N'Roses have died, and this is just Axl trying to carry it on as he has nothing better to do... Other than lyrics and a few arrangments, Axl didn't contribute musically to the song anyway, so the fact that the writing team aren't in GNR anymore, to me means GnR is no longer Sad but true - and they are one band I really really wish I had seen live on the Illusion tour

 

What a load of rubbish. Axl wrote the songs, plays guitar and piano. He with slash was the most exciting part of GNR. The original drummer and rythym guitarist were replaced anyway years ago by the now Velvet revolver drummer and no one batted an eye lid back then. So as dizzy the keyboardist and Axl are still there all your missing from the original line up is Slash and Duff on bass. WOW.

Slash is great but Buckhead is far better technically, he makes him look like James blunt and the other guitarist is from Nine inch nails and also amazing. He did leave at one point but axl has proved it doesn't matter who playes the tunes as long as he is there and look at that Wally velvet revolver have at the front. Below you can see him on the GNR mtv awards 2001 performance and in brazil buckethead doing a solo on his fret-markerless guitar to about 200,000 people. Who knows what Axl has up his sleve.

As for the album well he has about 60 songs and not even the die hard fans are sure of what will be on the final release.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+to+the+jungle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3&q=buckethead

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7&q=buckethead

 

Sorry, I thoroughly disagree. The majority of the songs written musically, were the product of Slash, Izzy, and often Duff's, creation, Axl did contribute of course, and songs like November Rain, Patience, etc you can hear a LOT of Axl's involvement, but when you look at the majority of songs from the albums, he didn't contribute a lot musically, other than lyrics and arrangements. I have a number of documentaries, official and unofficial, along with rare interviews and footage on video, so I ain't just making it up, but whatever.....

Buckethead IS an amzing guitarist, but he is also a session guitarist. He has VERY little feel - what he can do with his fingers is amazing, but if you have no feel, then you aren't best suited for life in a band. How do I know? I played in bands for many many years and have toured with hundreds of bands, so I think I am slightly qualified to judge musicians... The difference between Slash and Buckethead might be speed and technical ability, but Slash brought a huge personality with his playing, and you could HEAR the difference in his playing. Buckethead is a machine, very robotic and cold....

Steven Adler (the original drummer who played on Appetite) was kicked out the band, alledgedly for drug problems, which is ironic for a band like GnR, but in reality it mainly boils down to the fact Axl didn't get on with him. his replacement, Matt Sorum (ex, The Cult) is a FAR more talented drummer...

Izzy Stradlin, original rhythm guitarist, played on Appetite and both the Illusion albums, left shortly after the recording of the Illusion records, and was replaced by Gilby Clarke, who has played with and along side Nancy Sinatra, MC5, Kill For Thrills, Micheal Jackson, Steven Tyler (aerosmith), Jeff Beck and Lenny Cravitz. Naturally Izzy contributed far more musically to the band than Gilby, who was basically only a hired gun - playing live, and the only two GnR recording's he appeared on was the Spaghetti Incident and Live Era.

Dizzy Reed was also a hired gun tho - Axl arranges all the keyboard and piano parts and Dizzy plays them. Originally hired to be a tour musician, he was then present through the Illusion Sessons and has been in the band ever since. Dizzy is actually a very talented musician and plays guitar and bass along side keyboards. He has played with many bandss, including all the GnR Spin Off's (Slashes Snakepit, Duff McKagen Expirience, Gilby Clarkes solo project, Hookers & Blow, and even played with Motorhead...

So please don't try and tell me anything about Guns N Roses, as I probably already know it They were my utmost favourite band in the world for many many years, and I own virtually every release ever to have the Guns N Roses name on it. But the jury is still out on whether I will bother with Chinese Democracy, as from what I have heard is bad....

 

And for the peeps calling Wiiliam Bailey Axle, have a couple fo these

You've only got to see "Gun's N' Roses" at Rock And Rio III where Axl hase bucket head a and a few other people to realise that they are Shite without the rest of the band

As Slahs said in an interview for VH1, the band will never get back together, unless Axl releases some control

Velvet Revolver are ok, good live apparantly, but ti must be heartbreaking to see lot's of Hardcore GN'R fan's turn up at their concerts. I've seen a tribute band called UK Guns N' roses and they are pretty good. The lead singer has really done his homework. They are probably the next best thing to watching GN'R Live

 

In the Early 80's Saul Hudson (a.k.a Slash) started playing with Steven Adler, as for Izzy Strandlin in 1984, joins a band called London. Axl Rose, together with friend Tracii Guns, forms the band L.A. Guns. Izzy's band London will soon start playing with Slash in their band. In January 1985 Duff and his friend, Greg Gilmore, moved down to L.A. They started to answer ads and attending auditions together and somewhere down the line, Duff decided to start playing bass instead of guitar. When Duff answered an add one day, it led him to meet Slash and Steven Adler. Together they formed the band Road Crew. Whilst in this band, Slash came up with a riff that will soon be used in Paradise City. In March 1985 Axl Rose and Tracii Guns took their surnames to form the band Guns N' Roses. They take Izzy on board as second guitarist to Tracii. Before the name Guns N' Roses was chosen, the band rejected such names as Heads Of Amazon and AIDS. Rob Gardner becomes their drummer and bassist Duff is called in as he knew Slash who knew Izzy and so word was passed on. In June 6 1985 Duff uses his connections in Seattle to book gigs for the band. However, Tracii and Rob were not interested and so Duff asks if they can do the gigs with Slash and Steven. Axl agreed to this idea. And so the lineup was Axl, Izzy, Duff, Slash and Steven.


Guns N' Roses rehearsed for a couple of days and started The Hell Tour. However, the trip to Seattle was a disaster. After driving 100 miles their car broke down and they had to hitchhike. When they arrived in Seattle no one cared about them. Most of the shows had been cancelled and they only got $50 a show instead of the promised $250. Their first gig of the first tour was at the Omni Room where only 13 people saw them. In March 25, 1986 Guns n Roses signed with Geffen Records. Later the band starts to record their album at Rumbo Studios, but nothing gets done. Slash has problems with drugs and has to make a decision, drugs or the band. He chose the band.

In August, 1986 Tim Collins (Aerosmith's manager) was interested in managing the band but after they ordered drinks hotel bill, he changed his mind. Alan Niven is then hired as GN'R's manager and they begin recording the songs for "Appetite For Destruction".

In June 15, 1987 "It's So Easy" and "Mr. Brownstone" where released by Geffen and in June 19, 22 & 29 The band made their European debut at the London Marquee. The first show was a disaster as it was on a Friday night and the crowd was very drunk. The press didn't help much by printing all kinds of sensational stories about them. A headline in the Star: "A rock band even nastier than the Beastie Boys is heading for Britain!" In August 1 & 2 Guns n Roses shot their first video, "Welcome To The Jungle". In the end of 1987 Guns n Roses made a tour with Motley Crue. During this tour Slash and Steven Adler save the life of Motley Crue's bassist Nikki Sixx who had overdosed on drugs.

In April 11, 1988 Guns n Roses shot the video for "Sweet Child O' Mine" at Ballroom, Huntington Park, CA. It wasn't long after then in April 23 "Appetite For Destruction" enters the Billboard Top 10. The May - June, 1988 Guns n Roses went on tour with Iron Maiden. The two bands didn't get along very well. Guns n Roses was the most popular band of the two. The Band thought that they should headline instead of Iron Maiden. At the end of the tour Axl had problems with his throat. The Band canceled the rest of the tour, but that didn't stop the rest of the guys from stepping on-stage and with jamming with LA Guns, who were hired to replace Guns n Roses. On July 23, "Appetite For Destruction" reached #1 on the Billboard charts. After the tour Guns n Roses decided to re-enter the studio for another EP recording. The album soon hit the charts in the top ten along with Appetite. This was amazing success for something that was written out in a single day!

“We just sat there and recorded these acoustic tracks in one day and it made millions” - Slash.

The single patience also hit the carts and Guns n Roses once again decided to hit the road again. This tour had the same atmosphere and excitement as the Appetite tour. G’N’R concerts sold out huge arenas with there spectacle and rebellious hard rock sound. But once again the band’s tour was to have severe consciences, this time it was a riot. During a gig in St. Louis Axl famously leapt from stage to tackle a fan with a camera. No sooner had Axl stormed off the stage than 80,000 people erupted into a huge riot. This caused massive damage to the arena and to the band’s reputation. Also it was another chance for the critical flames to burn again. The band made up for this embarrassment by continuing the tour it was, once again, an unprecedented success. But the tour took its toll on the band, as did the excess. After the tour Guns n Roses took a break from recording and touring, during which time the band went truly off the rails. They were all strung out and they all got lost, as for Axl he disappeared altogether. There was a time in August, 1989 where Izzy was arrested for making a public disturbance (he Urinated on the floor, verbally abused a stewardess and smoked in the non-smoking section) on a US Air flight.

Then The Rolling Stones offered Guns n Roses the chance to open their shows on their North American tour. Guns n Roses agreed this was a good time to get back together. But the established band had found difference of opinion during there down time. This newly found tension was expressed in two particular moments. The first was Axl's threat to end the band if a “certain member”, i.e. Slash, didn’t stop “dancing with Mr. Brownstone” the band would be over.

“I know it was directed at me because I was so strung out at the time, but it was what really made me hate Axl more then ever because he never discussed it with me, I never really forgave him for that” - Slash.

But Axl didn’t stop there he also issued the band with an ultimatum he wanted the full rights to the bands name, this was supposedly to keep the band going with him if this version didn’t survive. After their tour with the rolling stones The Band decided to enter the studio once again but this time to record a huge double album they called The Illusion project. In April 1990 Dizzy Reed joined the band as a keyboard player. But the old demons of drink and drugs were still hitting home with the band, in particular drummer Steven Adler. He couldn’t leave his drugs, he would lie to the band. They all managed to straighten theirselves out except Steven, he couldn’t even play, his depression got the best of him. So in July, Steven Adler was fired, The Band made an agreement with Steven which said that if he didn't stop taking drugs he was out, Steven failed to clean up and so was fired. He was replaced by Matt Sorum from The Cult, but the sessions had a strange air to them with the rarity of actually seeing Axl and his bizarre creative directions.

In August 19, 1991, Guns n Roses had a show in Copenhagen, Denmark. The show went fine until somebody threw a firecracker onstage. Axl told the audience that the Band wouldn't continue the show until the idiot who did it turned himself in. After a 15-minute break the show continued. Later in October, Steven Adler launched a lawsuit against the band. He claimed that Guns n Roses were responsible for his drug addiction. After on the band finished the Illusion Project but that still wouldn’t prepare Guns n Roses or their label Geffen for the huge success of the albums Use Your Illusions 1 and 2 were a master class mix of everything guns had to offer. The albums went platinum in a week but this wouldn’t be enough for Axl. During the video shoots, Axl went really grand on the budget for the so-called “trilogy”. The videos had to be on a grand scale including: dolphins, an oil freighter, building a church in a desert and of course destroying a mustang.

This was the leadership that crushed the band as a whole, as they prepared for their epic 2-year tour for the album, in November 7, Izzy decided to quit, To replace Izzy the band called the L.A. guitarist Gilby Clarke but he had already heard about the dominant domineer Axl imposed on the band in short he knew the band would not last for long, from the very beginning of the tour a lot had changed about Guns n Roses, their friendship with Axl was lost and they had hardly any contact with him at all. Though they were mostly clean at the time drinking was still a problem. Axl would sometimes not show up at all, they had a lot of canceled gigs they had a lot of shows where they almost didn’t play, it was all very tiring. Even though the band was falling apart they were still a band. When they did all show up for the shows they delivered an incredible performance that would be remembered for decades. But the tour would be the last big thing Guns ever did, the high risk “Most dangerous band that ever lived” that was Guns ‘N’ Roses would soon come to an end. The band grew increasingly distant once the tour was over. This left Slash and Axl talking by phone only as they threw together a bunch of covers called The Spaghetti Incident. This was really the last album Guns n Roses ever made.

In April 29, 1993, Gilby broke his left wrist in a motorcycling accident whilst on tour. In a panic, Axl calls Izzy who steps in for the first five shows. It was great for Slash and Duff that they've played the last five shows, which they knew that it was the last. In June 20 1993 After the illusions tour The Band decided to take a break, during which time Slash became a United States citizen. But with the new Guns n Roses album taking a long time to get off the ground, Slash decided to start another band as a side project. The result was Slash’s Snake Pit, the band released the album “Its 5 o’Clock Somewhere” which achieved worldwide success. The new band also featured equally bored Gunners, Matt Sourum and Gilby Clarke. The band hit the road for a tour of some small clubs and venues in support of the album. Slash was glad to finally get out of the commercial mega-budget Guns ‘N’ Roses tours and back to a close range with the audience.

While Axl took forever to re-kindle G’N’R and the Snake Pit tour was over (though promised to return) Slash was asked to play a blues festival. He accepted the offer and saw it as a chance to return to the Aerosmith style blues routs in his playing. As with snake pit this started a new project for Slash. It was called blues ball and was for live shows only, the band were in popular demand even without releasing an album. They covered classic blues tracks, which were re-defined by Slash soulful guitar playing.

During both Snake Pit and Blues Ball Slash waited for the call from Axl, when it finally came, Guns n Roses set about recording the Spaghetti Incident. This project was dubbed by critics as a way of making money from a band that couldn’t stand their singer. This impression was given off when Axl had little at all to do with the album. The result was Slash taking the reigns and producing/directing this album himself. In June 20, 1993 The Band took a day-off. Sightseeing in Cologne. Slash and Gilby had dinner in an Italian restaurant. The owner was unaware of Slash's sense of humour and so was delighted when Slash, unimpressed by the meal, signed the visitor's book: "Of all the restaurants in the world, this is one!"

The last time the original Guns were in a studio together they recorded a soundtrack cover of Sympathy For The Devil (The Rolling Stones).

On October 30, 1996, Slash resigned due to his inability to cope with Axl's on-stage tantrums and the fact that Axl wanted to take the band in a new direction; making different styles of music. All Slash wanted was another rock album; he told the press, "When Axl is ready to make a rock n’ roll album I’ll come back" and "I’ll never walk onto a stage with a band pretending to be the original G’N’R". "When These differences were not settled and so Slash felt he could no longer play with the band. While Slash remained positive he could work with Rose, if they settled their differences. Axl was final in his decision, he said he couldn’t work with Slash because Slash only wanted to make a rock album. Axl said Guns n Roses needed a new direction and Slash wasn’t part of it. I think that’s the biggest mistake Axl will ever make(in my Opinion), and so Slash was replaced by Robin Finck. After on in August, 1997 Duff quit Guns n Roses, he was replaced by Tommy Stinson and Matt Sorum leaves some time early in the year too and was eventually replaced by Josh Freese. (A Disaster if you ask me).

Axl has tried to recreate the band that failed miserably at its attempted tour. The greatest hits collection sold well, largely because it was the real band. All Guns n Roses fans are awaiting the "Chinese Democracy" - It's been more than half a decade trying to release the album, we are still awaiting the alum.

 

And?

Adler was kicked out for drugs, its a simple as that. Axl once said on stage that if certain members don't stop playing with Mr brownstone he will walk out. Later Adler fell into the drum on live TV. Slash quit heroin shortly after.

The point i was making is that if the drummer and guitarist were replaced then so can the other two. With Guns it was always about Axl running and jumping around, "calling out do you know where you are" etc. Slash is the only one that would be really missed.

Concerts they did including, vegas, rock in rio and leeds festival over here got great reviews so if you choose not to go and see them or buy the album thats your lookout. At leeds festival at the front a few people shouted, where slash but after buckethead did his solo and star wars on guitar it was never heard again. It was fantastic.

Look at Oasis over here, they are basically the frontman and the guitarist, the rest have been replaced many times over. As long as the main core element is there it doesn't matter. The fact that Axl can walk into Rio, Leeds and Download headline and even command not doing the partner reading gig just shows the size and power he has. Especially after not being around for years before that.

Have you actually seen the new lineup live, thrush?

 

He didn't fail miserably at all. He got better musicians in, did about 20 gets that were large arenas and some of the biggest outdoor giggs in the world. Rock in rio in 2001 was like the 3rd gig with the new lineup, to about 200,000 people. The only issues are the ones he didn't turn up to but that happened with the original lineup. They are famous for that.

As for the guitarist thing, each to their own. Slash does his same old thing of coming on smoking with his top hat and leathers, at the solo he will bring his guitar up. Buckethead will do his robotics and play the stuff Saul wrote but even faster and better. I know what i would rather see having seen them both.

 

I haven't seen either line up live, only on video's of shows. So only using those as comparrison, I can tell straight away that the difference between the old line up and the new line up is completely different. The new line up on stage looks, and sounds like, for all intents and purposes, a front man with a band made from session musicians. Having played in the industry myself for many years, I know exactly the difference between a "band" and a group of session musicians.... Buckethead : Session guitarist, Josh Freese (drums) extremely well know session player, has played on literally THOUSANDS of sessions, Tommy Stinson - session musician.... There is no chemistry, and no binding.

If you like, look at it like this : if you take an army regiment, this is a tight-knit, close group, almost like family. Mercenary's on the other hand are not. They are just paid to be there and they do what they are told or else they don't get paid.

It's the same with session musicians - there isn't a "band" with them, as they aren't in a band - they are just paid to be there and to get paid they do what they are told....

And so what if Slash "just" comes out on stage smoking with a top hat on? Buckethead "just" comes out on stage with a KFC bucket on his head and a white mask - EVERY single time. It's called a gimmick - and everyone has one. Kiss - their gimmick was make up, Slash's gimmick was his hat, Lemmy (Motorhead) - his gimmick was war paraphanalia(sp).

I am not dissing Bucketheads playing, but what you see on stage is NOT Gun'N'Roses - this is the point I am making. If you go see a covers band playing GnR songs you'd say "Yeah thats good, but it's not Guns'N'Roses..." wouldn't you? Well thats what I say when I see the new GnR line up - it's a covers band, plus Axl - you said it yourself, Axl fought really hard to retain full rights to the name. Thats something he shouldn't have been allowed to have, as there is a some law in US music compyright and ownership rights that states you can only keep trading on a bands name if at least three of the original members are still involved. This is not the case....

The way I see it - look at the original line up. If Slash left - GnR is no more. If Axl left - GnR is no more, if Duff left - GnR is no more.....

It's the same with Metallica. Jason Newstead, bass player in the band for 14years, left a few years back after rows. But Metallica still go on. Kirk Hammet, who isn't the original guitarist (that honour goes to Dave Mustaine, who got kicked out before the recording of the first album in 1983, and then founded Megadeth), but if either James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich or Kirk Hammet left or quit - Metallica would be over. Because they ARE Metallica.

Slash + Duff (and in my eyes Matt Sorum too, who did more for GnR than Adler did) WERE GnR - each member is just as much the embodiment of Guns'N'Roses as a BAND as Axl is, no more and no less. So why should GnR be GnR without Slash, but it can't be GnR without Axl? It makes no sense... It's simply a name, that is all. There is a new "band", playing under an old bands name, and the new "band" is playing cover songs. Simple.

Onto Buckethead playing Slash's stuff "better and faster" - that is impossible. If he is doing that then he ISN'T playing what Slash wrote is he?

The whole thing around Alder being kicked out was a pisstake anyway - they (GnR) practically MADE him a herion addict, and at the time he was kicked out, Axl was still shotting up and snorting his nose off multiple times a day! Adler was not kicked out for drug abuse - he was kicked out cos Axl didn't like him.

And to say Slash is the only one who will be missed - sorry I do not belive that, and I think anyone who says that is NOT a true fan. The line up I grew up with was Axl, Slash, Izzy/Gilby, Duff, Matt Sorum + Dizzy. That is, to me, Guns'N'Roses. Each single member brought something to the band, both in the studio and on stage. Each member interacted with one another in very individual ways. It wasn't just Axl that ran about the stage (you will find Duff and Slash moved about more than he did, and much much more than the "new" members do). The songs that Duff penned on his own, ones he sang himself on stage (and on record), that cannot be recreated properly without him....

What you have now, whether you like to belive it or not, is a covers band with an original member singing.

Again, same can be said for Metallica - I grew up with James, Lars, Kirk and Jason - even tho Jason replaced Cliff after his untimely death, to me Jason WAS Metallica. When he left it was like a quarter of Metallica had gone. He was in the band for 14 years and 5 studio albums - Cliff was only in it for 4 years and 3 albums. Who contirbuted more there?

 

btw im quite a big GnR fan,,,,,,,,,, i also went and saw izzy and the ju ju hounds at the kentish town town and country club a few years ago ( think i was 14 at the time ) i love the band BUT i also fully understand what they all mean

the REAL band for me is when they was a comercial band, when they toured for use you illusion rather than "get in the ring" so to speak


still a fooking class band and i was MORE than a huge fan tbh

hell i share the same birthday as axel,,,,,,,,,,, and im SURE i read that axel and izzy where mates from the same town


either way gnr are dead and velvet revolver aint all that imo


i could how ever watch GnR all fooking day,,,,,,,,,, infact i do some times as i still got the rock in rio video, use your illusion 1 and 2 vids aswell as the video of them in france that i recorded on channel 4 YEARS ago


if anyone has MORE vids of em PLEAE could you record em for me as im a BIG fan of them

i went to see em at milton keynes bowl and that was a night ill never forget


but watching izzy at the T+C was class and i done a stage dive there too

went to watch ugley kid joe the following week and then anotehr band ( cant remember who now ) at hammersmith apollo

ahhhhhhh the good old days

 

that about sums it up perfectly,i was seriously considering download coz i aint seen gnr since the illusion tour in 91 but after hearing the democracy demos im not going to bother....they just aint guns n roses anymore

 

91,,,,,,,,,,, fuck me its really that long ago,,,,,,,, i remember that like it was last year

back then i was a real messed up kid, was 14 and had 1 ear pierced 11 times and the other pierced 4 times

i done then ALL my self with a saftey pin INCLUDING my nipple as i couldbt find a place that done body piercing as it wasnt a done thing back then

 

you were messed up? i was 17 and had longer hair than my mum

 

The Illusion Tour and the "Get in the Ring Tour" was the same thing Ginge

Axl was born (Feb 6th, 1962) in Lafayette, Indiana amd grew up there. He had a very troubled childhood and suffered sever sexual and mental abuse at the hands of his step-father, Stephen Bailey. It wasn't untill he was 17 he found out of the existence of his actual biological father and changed his name from "William Bailey" (his step fathers name) to his birth right name, William Rose. Throughout his youth, Axl was in trouble numerous times with the police and was arrested over twenty times on charges such as Public Drunkenness and Assault. In his late teenage years Lafayette authorities attempted to have him locked up as a Habitual Criminal and on the advice of his lawyer, he left Indiana with a close childhood friend, Izzy Stradlin and headed to Los Angeles in the early 1980s to pursue a rock music career.

I like Velvet Revolver. Sure they aren't Guns N Roses of course, but they are a good band in their own right, IMO

I got that ch4 recording aswell!!! Thing is, I think it was on twice, once was early, and one was on later, as my one there is very little bad language in it (cut out) and my mates one that he recorded has a lot more swearing and is about 10mins longer in total! His one also has Axl jumping up and down on a piano as it rises onto the stage before they play November Rain!

I desperately wanted to go to that gig but couldn't make it. I don't have many regrets in life as such, but that is definitely one of my main regrets!!!!

Ginge, I wouldn't really class myself as a "messed up kid" but I did all my own piercings myself including 5 in my ears (only wear three now) one in my nose (don't wear that anymore either) and BOTH nipples (which went fooking manky and had to take the rings out for medial reasons ) and I was half way through my TOUNGE when I passed out




Oh and everyone else in this thread - please! It is AXL Rose!!! Not AXEL as found on your car!!!

 

I'm now 24 and have had hair longer than my mums for nearly 10years

 

im now 31 and have nae hair

back to gnr tho...i remember skid row supporting them when i seen em but im sure there was another band too...anyone any ideas

 

i had long hair too,,,,,,,,, then i cut it and then i grew it and then i vut it and then i grew it and now ive cut it again

im SURE the get in the ring was the wembly tour and the ilusion tour was at milton keynes

the OTHER one on channel 4 was the one where they CUT the best part of november rain aswell as a few other parts


you can DEFFO see the axl songs though,,,,,,, estranged ect are sooo typical of his style


izzy made some of the best ones though



OH and wasnt axl a piano player and just volenteered to be a vocalist as the REAL guns and roses ( with LA guns) never had one as no fooker wanted to do it


oh and ive also got the cbbc interviews toby whats his name done when they was at rio or somewhere



axl DID do some damage to the band though, at times he would be late and sometimes refuse to even go out


and he NEVER turned up for practise during the day

 

Thats Toby Anstis, and I have that aswell It was for the "O-Zone" and was them playing in Athens, Greece

The Illusion tour and Get In The Ring tour was the same thing, it was just different legs... The tour lasted over 2 years (one of the longest on the road stints any band has ever done, topped only by Metallica (Poor Touring Me" that lasted nearly 3 years!) and the Rolling Stones (there was someone else that topped it too, but can't remember who) The renaming of the tour was basically just for promoting really.... And to do with playing GnR "gigs" and doing Festival appearences etc....

Axl was notorious for fucking around and being difficult. Many shows he didn't turn up for, and during the co headlinging tour they did with Metallica (Metallica's Nowhere Left To Roam tour and GnR's Illusion Tour, somethime in 1992) James Hetfield was injured in a Pyrotechnics accident and was rushed to hospital with major burns, forcing to the band to cut half their set. The rest of Metallica apologised to the crowed (in Montreal) and promised to come back when James was better and play a free make up show. Metallica were first out that night, so Guns N Roses could have come out and saved the day and put on a double length show..... But no, Axl didn't like the idea of being upstaged by James incident and cut the show short after the third song, and left the stage muttering something about the state of the bands future. In doing so he incited the worst riot Montreal has ever seen!!!!

 

yeah that was it,,,,,, you could see duffs modded tattoo on that one too


fook me you did record all there shite,,,,,,,,,,,,,, as did i

 

I did record it all Ginge - and I have a memory like an elephant so I remember EVERYTHING... Which is why I always quote facts and "proper information"

 

and he got fined for that too if i recall

the disputes they had over that tour time though,,,,,,,,,,, they stopped it cause metalica wanted a snake pit and axl wanted ego ramps,,,,,,,,,,,, true rock and roll hard me

 

and he got fined for that too if i recall

the disputes they had over that tour time though,,,,,,,,,,, they stopped it cause metalica wanted a snake pit and axl wanted ego ramps,,,,,,,,,,,, true rock and roll hard men

 

Thats right! The both had to conceed tho, and there was no snake pit and no ego ramps

Axl also got arrested flying back into JFK after inciting a riot at another gig, and was nearly brought up on charges when 2 fans died at a Donnington Monsters Of Rock festival when the crowed surged and tried to rush the stage, after he refused to perform in the rain

 

Thrush, Buckhead has his own albums and has been involved with bands, so too tommy, the brain and robin the other lead guitarist was from nine inch nails. They have more than enough experience and bring their own thing to the stage.

They won't be slash, duff and co but my question is can they pull it off when playing with axl to a crowd and as well as the old band? The Answer is yes even if it is different. And the shows they did back that up.

Watching videos is one thing mate but it will never compare to being there will it. After all even DVD quality sound will not compare even slightly let alone bootlegs. Why don't you go and watch them and come back and comment. Who cares what you come to know the band as, if it entertains you and is worth the ticket fee?

For me listening to instruments is best served live. Hanging onto the security rail in front of a big stage with quality musicians and AXL throwing out Rocket Queen, Nightrain, Sweet Child, Mr Brownstone along with the new songs and finishing with Paradise City as usuall, not to mention starting with Welcome to the Jungle is something else. Watching the smaller people begging for the security staff to pull them out so they can breathe, having to help them because those songs were too heavy for them is another experience altogether. I can assure you it is upto standard if not better. And before you chirp on about your collection or what other irrelevant stuff you know about them, i do have the bootlegs, the dvds, cds and guitar tabs, but more importantly the ticket stubs and wrist bands...

I can't imagine you getting that from a tv and the Sofa.

(i will post up some pictures if i can be bothered to scan them in)

 

Skeg - of course music is best served live! Why else do you think I played live and toured for the best part of 6/7years? Why else would I attend literally HUNDREDS of gigs across the country?

You are missing my point - I am not saying they cannot pull it off live - The first band I was in played GnR covers and we pulled it off live fine. My point is the new "Guns N Roses" is NOT Guns N Roses..... It's Axl Rose fronting a covers band made from hired guns...

Look... Metallica ditched Jason Newstead some years ago, but instead of getting in a session player to fill in, they took time out and auditioned hundreds of guys to find a new BAND MEMBER. The replacement Robert Trujilo(sp) is now a Metallica BAND MEMBER...

On the other side of the coin, when Nick Menza quit Megadeth, Dave Mustaine was in dire need of a drummer! But he didn't audition a new member, he hired in a session drummer - a hired gun. And he has has a few up untill the last year or two ago - including Jimmy DeGrasso (mainly metal and rock sessionist) and also the great Vinnie Colauita, best known for being a jazz sessionist and played for years with Sting. But even tho Jimmy was "in the band" for almost 4 years, he was a hired gun all that time - paid a monthly fee, and got a fee for recording credits, rather than percentage of royalties as normal band members get. Vinnie Colauita is also a perfect example, as he is a jazz drummer! In a metal band! But Mustaine hired him to play, and play he did - he played exactly what Mustaine told him to and how he told him to do it!

This is my point.... I'm not saying if you go and see Guns N Roses nowadays and you like em, thats bad. I won't diss you for liking em at all. But to me, it's NOT Guns N Roses. It's Axl and a covers band.

And I don't think in this duscussion, bootlegs, DVD's and video's are "irrelevant" - I have already said I have not had the chance to see either line up play live, so having to identical settings to compare bands (in this case on a recorded concert) is a perfect way of comparrion, that is fair. If I had seen one line up live and one line up on video it wouldn't be a fair comparrison as you could argue that the live gig creats a far better mood and energy, to which I'd agree. Of course the ultimate way to compare is to compare both bands in a live situation - but for me thats not possible...

Going back to xx ammount of years with no sign of GnR and then suddenly they pop back up and are playing the worlds biggest shows being testament to how good they are now - I disagree again. Of course Axl would get the biggest gigs - if the SPice Girls reformed they'd play arenas and stadiums straight away, cos the market is there for them to do it. No-one knows what the score is but they will still pay FIRST, then find out

Same as movies. The Matrix (1) - superb film, took everyone by storm, crazy reviews, everyone loved it, made MILLIONS. Of course when the second one came out, everyone flocked to see it, it took MILLIONS again in the first week. Doesn't matter that it was complete SHITE. Cos the first was so good, everyone pressumed the sequel to be even better. And as such they paid all the money in advance.

Same with bands. GnR were (next to the Stones) one of the biggest gorssing rock bands in the world - so naturally, when a press release comes out to say "GnR are playing live again! Buy tickets for $100!" both Axl, the record company, and the tour promoter KNOW that people will pay to go to an arena or stadium to see em play, even if they know nothing about the new line up. It's all to do with marketing the name. Thats why Axl was so anxious to hold onto the rights to the name - the name is worth MILLIONS, even without a band.

Fuck, he could sit in his bedroom and record 79 mins of him hitting a shoebox, cursing the rest of the band for leaving him, and if he put it out on the stands, it would shift millions in the first week. Why? Cos people don't know whats on it till they buy it And it'sthe name that sells it

 

I'm not the only Guns N Roses fan on here the

Has to be said the new GNR album can never be a true one and I fear it will flop as a lot of the old fans will be expecting more of the late 80's early 90's stuff and it just wont happen. At least we have Velvet Revolver

It seems Axl has become a bitter twisted man who is clutching at straws to keep the band alive. I really want to be proved wrong and the new album be great but I just can't see it happening

 

GNR are no more imo

Axl is an utter bell end.

Seen Velevt Revolver live a couple of times and they are awsome live

 

Thats what I have always liked about you Wildheart (apart from the fact you love the wildhearts, as do I ) : short, sharp and to the point