nosman

Thought id put a few pics of my Rs1600i V8 on going project on for you all to laugh at!!

Been going about 4 years, and is actually near to being finished. Havent got any recent pics, but needs a few finishing touches really.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3.../Photo0006.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3.../Photo0008.jpg

These are the recipient, and its new engine. The car was very solid, but i dont like 4 cylinders, and i really dont like front wheel drive, sorry!! Out came the chisel, and goodbye went the floor and bulkheads etc.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3.../Photo0005.jpg

I constructed a chassis/space frame by hand from 2"x"2 3mm wall box section steel. This mounts a cortina ifs, and a reliant scimitar rear axle.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...2/22ac5700.jpg

The engine is a nos injected, 302 cuin ford from a mustang (5L in new money) and should hopefully make around 700bhp when finished. This is now through a manual flywheel and McLoed clutch, and at present a 3l 4 speed capri gearbox. This is all mounted well back, and should hopefully be good on the road and drag strip.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3.../Photo0002.jpg

I have a few more pics, if anyone is interested I would love to know what you think.

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

thats gonna go very well

should bring the engine forward and have a blower coming out of the bonnet

but does seem an interesting project

get some more pics up but use the last line on photobucket so people dont have to click the links

Red16

put [img] before the picture url and [/img] atfer it for the pics to be shown like this

Red16

very interesting project, would love to see more pics

Lee Reynolds

Very interesting! Update us soon

rich p xr2t

as above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

nosman

The car is a bit on hold, due to lack of money. I returned to school to become a teacher, so time is also at a premium at the moment too. If i ever actually finish it, it may be a bit on the heavy side, as i have ever so slightly over engineered it!!
The rear (boot) floor is all constructed now, and covers a transit mk1 fuel tank. The battery tray is in the boot, and a 15lb nitrous bottle!!
The scuttle needs some slight repair (dont they always!), the trans tunnel/backbone is in and plated up, and the floors just need to go in(flat aluminium).
The steering column, pedals and brake servo are all modified 2l capri parts. I have the proper RS interior to go in (minus back seat), but i may just sell it and buy a pair of light bucket seats. I need a boss to mount the rs steering wheel to the capri column, though i may have to fabricate something. In hindsight, chopping the mint dashboard up to put in the dustbin was probably a mistake! I think it may well have fitted with a little trimming here and there, never mind!
Im gonna run standard rims, but the rear tyres are 225x50x15, though i have made provision for 18" wide wheels at the rear for the drag strip.
Does anyone know what fibreglass panels are still available for mk3 escorts? and who sells them? I can get wings, and a bonnet, but would like a tailgate and doors if possible.
If you look at the photos you will see my four linked rear end (ooer!) all made by hand, with a template, home made jigs, a hacksaw and hand drill!!! I didnt even own an angle grinder back then!! Never again!!
One of you said about moving the engine forward. I cant! it would be too high, due to the ford v8 having the oil pump in the front of the sump. This means you cant have a rear dip sump and it fouls the xmember. I did however cosider fitting a crank driven blower, I saw one driven of fthe front pulley on a saab 900 owned by a chap called John Sleath at York, worked great and destroy the bonnet line. The car will look standard externally when finished, I intend painting it Caspian Blue, and have a full stripe kit in my loft!! I even built a 5 silencer exhauast to hide the engine noise, but its too heavy so i may just go with a single box and burble loudly!!
Any way heres a couple more of the pics, thank you for sorting those others mate!!

s1 2oobhp

keep up the good work

Mike C

iTrader: (1)

good project

GazzaG

Nice project bud

s1 2oobhp

still can get loads of panels 4 the mk3 http://www.carpanels.com/index_catalogues.htm

lmans123

gonna be mental.good luck and keep the pics coming

rsnissan

iTrader: (9)

Is that the 302 windsor block with the cleveland head??

shame you cant get the space Weiand on there too

awesome project keep up the good work

Kiwi_Cossie

That is fantastic, I feel somewhat aroused...

Stavros

Interesting stuff

What you planning to do to get the 302 to 700bhp?

And how long you think the standard 302 block can take 700bhp?
From what I understand even 500bhp is enough to split the standard block after a while.
And thats when using turbos, with nitrous and/or a charger the stresses are worse (due to sudden power increase with the gas, and extra crank stress with the charger) and often fail about the same power, but quicker.

Good job so many uprated blocks are available

whitecossie

Twins

iTrader: (18)

nosman

Itsmeagain? you said the 302 blocks crack at 500BHP? are you sure mate these are american iron you know, not Jap crap!! I have an engine spec to around 350 - 400 BHP (conservative) normally aspirated, the rest i was going to make up with a sniff of laughing gas.

I know a chap who put 900bhp of nos through a stock rover v8 for quite a long time, it grenaded eventually due to driver error. I dont think I know anyone who has cracked a block, ever, so do you speak from experience?

Anyway, thanks to everyone for the words of encouragement. I will take some up to date pics in the next few weeks, and I may even do some work on the old girl if im bored!!

Stavros

LOL.... Dont see many jap engines splitting the block mate

Ive been in and around V8s for years mate, since as young as I can remember.
Even when I was about 5 my borther had a Ford Falcon that came with a 302 windsor but once the block had cracked he went for a big block.

You ever read much on these engines? The standard 302 can make great power, but the block isnt partuclarly strong mate, usually 500bhp is about the safe limit, and even then only if you dont rev it too high, 5500rpm is usually a good call as dont make power much higher anyhow.
Often getting that power via nitrous kills it quicker than say, turbocharged or n/a, like said, due to the way the powers delivered mainly.
This is why there are at least 4 companies that produce uprated blocks for them.
Ive seen them pushing more, but its a split block waiting to happen.

I love em, ive been planning on using one on a certain project for a long time, but id not want to spend any real money getting it over 500bhp as the block will crack even before the stndard internals fuck up on a well setup car...

ACTUALLY, looky what ive just found

http://www.turbomustangs.com/techart...stockblock.php

rambo11

MINT

andyt

iTrader: (1)

well thats a nice 16i will be nice to see it finished

nosman

Itsmeagain, couple of points mate. The 302 is just a stop gap to base line the car anyway, built with nos i wont have more than Ł2500 to Ł3000 in it including the manual flywheel clutch assembly (the car is built on a very tight and tiny budget, special offers, scrap yards etc). I know lots of people seem to say they crack, but it says bisto on the back of buses, but they dont sell it!! I get a bit sick of doom n gloom merchants, ive had hundreds tell me everything on my old capri is wrong, or wont last, 99% were wrong!! Dont knock it till youve tried it is my philosophy!!

As for Jap engines being strong, havent you heard of Imprezas!?!?

As for s13/s13a Nissans, the engines are OKish, but the body usually rots away around them before they get chance to wear out!!! (Hows your tailgate under the spoiler and are your cams quiet?!) You shouldve bought a capri to drift mate cheap 2.8i, Rover v8 bobs your uncle!!!

Oh and anyone who welds up diffs deserves to be locked up for the desire to commit suicide, its just bloody stupid. sorry but its dangerous full stop.

I dont do turbos mate they arent my bag. Tried it once, didnt like it. Too much lag, no torque and generally crap on fuel to boot!!

Anyway, dont want an argument, or to slag anyones car. If i ever get the old nail finished we will see if it breaks or not!! O and ill spank your s13 or GTR at york raceway anytime you like!!!

Cheers

Stavros

Dont know why youve decided to start slagging stuff off for nowt, was only helping, but you obv took offence...

They dont crack blocks.
And you obv know fuck all about em, just hear the rumours.
600+bhp and 10sec 1/4s are common in the UK with them now, even the odd road going one in the 9s in the UK now too. Low 8s Downunder.
Engines are dead strong, just got that bad rep as used to be mapped badly.

No such thing as an S13a.
CA18 engines are nothing special, but can do 350bhp on std internals easy enough, woudnt be my choice of an engine generally tho.
SR20s can do 400+.
Both can take 600+ with modded internals with no real hastle.
The body and tailgate if fine on mine thanks, strange you talk about rust when you on about Capris and RS1600i's anyhow
Cams are dead silent. Its big ends that go on S13s, mainly as most are ancient and not looked after.

So you think drifting is just about RWD and a big engine? Erm, about a million miles from the truth.
But no, dont want to drive a big wallowly thing id be embarresed to be seen in.
Prefer a car thats actually a good drift car.

No tis not. Not if you can drive. Or dont drive like a complete bellend.
Plenty of people use em on their daily drivers even. Ive never had any real trouble.

Up to you if you dont like it, but crap on fuel and laggy is down to the setup, or mainly how shit it is.
The torque thing is funny, and makes even less sense than everything else youve said!
For equal capacity turbo engines ALWAYS have FAR more torque than n/a engines. Thats the whole point of them.
When people turbo stock 302s with twin T3s from a scrapper they often make 500bhp and around 650lb/ft of torque...
Id like to see you manage 650lb/ft on a n/a 302...
Bigger spec ones often make 1000lb/ft+

Thats ALL youve done on this post! what you on about
Its not as if anyone slagged you, was trying to help but you just giving loads of jip...
What makes it worse, its all load of bollocks.

Wont be hard to beat the S13, its never intended to be fast.
But hope you can run better than mid 10s if you think you gonna do the GTR...
And will do it with a full interior, road tyres, pump fuel, syncro gearbox, and no cheating gas either...

89xr2

Wouldnt 700bhp through a stock 4 speed capri box smash the shit out of it? Excuse my ignorance but i've not heard of anywhere near that power being used on that box before.

nosman

Chill out mate,

The s13a is the facelift model, identified with washer jets on the front bumper. Cant remember the year cut offs, similar but slightly diferent.

I had an impreza for two years, wrx. Fitted the obligatory clutch, weakness a, then had the gearbox rebuilt, weakness b, and then it spun no.3 big end shell, weakness c (and very, very common according to my local machine shop who keep shells for these on the shelf).

Ive worked on hundreds of different cars and engines, I know some strengths and some weaknesses. AS for the diffs mate on a road car it really aint safe, sorry. If the wheels cant have some speed difference they hop and kick about, plus eventually they break up through the force trying to rip themselves apart, that comes through racing experience of my dads.

I hope you do get tens when you finish your R32, im struggling really and was joking. Im only hoping for high 11s with my wallowy old capri on its standard old suspension. I did race a nice guy with an r33 last year(he was on gas too) but id better not mention that!!!

Still no offence intended as i say, sorry if you felt offended, and good luck.

nosman

Oh n the gearbox probs will break if i get that much power, but i had one in the garage!!

They are very strong, and underrated though, the one in my capri has hada lot of abuse, daily use, smokey burnouts and drag racing for about twelve years, and doesnt even whine!!! It turns 220bhp at the wheels with 75bhp of gas. I didnt even rebuild it, just got it out of an early 2.8i n nailed it in, I uprate if things break!! Everyone said it wouldnt last, but it has, tho it does spin a lot and i think good traction might well kill it.

The next plan is to make an adaptor for a getrag 265 from a 4l Jag, they are real heavy, have power lock diffs as standard, and about 235bhp with a lot of torque so should last ok. Unfortunately they have an electronic speedo too so that could be expensive, we will see.

89xr2

Cool, my mates having a new engine built for his 74 firebird at the moment. bored to 6.8ltr nothing fancy should hopefully push out 400bhp at the wheels. Apparently it did 13 second qtr's when it came out in 74 with 270bhp so it should be pretty good. He's also having some funky gearbox built. apparently its a manual box with an auto shift and a ratchet shifter. Not sure how it all works but apparently its supposed to be good.
Good luck with your build.

nosman

Thanks 89XR2.

Your mates will be an autobox with a manual valve body i think, they are wot you use a ratchet shifter on usually, but i could be wrong. Is it a Torqueflite?

Used to love firebirds Alays wanted one when i was young, could go for a 1968 Dodge charger now though. Bit dear, n a crap car (drum brakes all round with up to 325hp!!)chargers really but look o so cool

I dont think they Escort will run that good numbers really, ive built it too heavy, and cant face rebuilding the overworked bits of chassis!! You never know till you try though! I only really did it as a practice run before doing the same to a capri, but its so much work i couldnt face it again though!

nosman

Thought id update a bit.
These are the most up to date pics of the old nail, took em today



This is th o/side boot floor plated in, the big pipe stuck up thru the floor is the fuel filler neck!



This is the n/side, nos brackets welded to frame, battery tray just visible, but not attatched.



Close up pic of my hand fabricated four link (fully adjustable)



Inside view of alu panels on wheeltubs, and trans tunnel.



Inside shot shows trimmed dash board, not a lot left really, n i might build my own from alloy yet not sure. You can see the mk4 doors hung.



Shot shows better view of mk4 cortina front clip. Inner wings gone, bar the front where tied into chassis. You can just see the wing rail and strengthener. I rolled a return lip on the edge of the remaining inner wing for strength and to finish it off tidier.



Clear shot of doors and view of (newly, today!) painted (brush!) bulkhead. You wont see much of this with servo, engine, headers etc in place.

I have got a bit of interest in the project again now, so as i do a bit i will post more pics.

nosman

oops this is the offside



The carb is a 600cfm Holley double pumper, but i may not use this yet if i can get a 38dgas from a 3litre capri i will use thst instead.

GOT2BZETEC

Whats so good about the 3ltr carb i, what sort of power will they run?(i have one)_

nosman

nothin special about 3l carb, just suit the engine, n more refined n easy to tune.

GOT2BZETEC

big enough fofr 300bhp oon a rover v8 turbo/?

lmans123

nosman

too big for rover v8! What displacement is the rover, I have a 3.5 in my capri with a 020 thou overgore running on a 32/36 DGAV weber off a 1600GT capri. Runs great, makes 220bhp at wheels, good low and mid range pickup as well as screaming to 7000rpm!

GOT2BZETEC

Er its on a 2.9 at the moment, running about 210bhp ish hmm how do i know if it is this carb?

N1C4T3N

awesome project but isnt that transmation tunnel abit big where are the pedels and seats gunna go lol

nosman

Yea the tunnels huge!! But if you look at the pics with the engine in you will see how far back it sits.
The tunnel houses half the engine as well.
The seats and pedals fit a treat! Using standard RS scheel seats, on standard runners but had to loose the door bins!!
The pedals are close, but i have modified and strengthened em to fit from a capri. If you have ever sat in a saxo, look at the pedals, there is more room between in my old nail!

nosman

That carb on a 2.9 if standard is probably a pierburg. Look similar to a weber, but have a rugby shaped (as you look down on it) top. If its a weber, it will have its size n type stamped on the side. look near the idle mixture screw at the base. Dont know much about the pierburg, usually use a weber!