RickyLee53

As above, whats the advantages of either.

It's for an Evo and i'm probably looking at an Exedy of either items, unless some1 can tell me something better.

But do i get a triple plate standard or carbon twin.

I've currently got a normal twin plate.

I want something with similar drivability to what i have now, will a tripple be a lot worse. Obviously i want better power handling, and most importantly i want it to last as long as possible.

The carbon clutch is a little more expensive to buy, and the plates cost more to replace, but obviously there will just be 2 and not 3.

Are carbon clutches any good round town? Do they wear out and do they need to be warm to work?

I've asked on here because there wasn't much response on the Evo forum.

GaryEvo

i run a exedy triple carbon and its great,so much lighter than the twin i used to run,slightly more rattle when cold

other than cost a great product,we are also exedy dealers

what you been quoted??

RickyLee53

No quotes yet.

Not that fussed about rattle.

I run around 500bhp maybe closer to 600 in the future.

What would you advise to use?
Was your twin a normal standard or carbon clutch?
Triple carbon is a bit over budget.

How long do carbon's last compared to normal 1s.

GaryEvo

id say you only need a comp r which is light weight twin with a heavy cover

thats what i just took out of mine,worked fine but couldnt hold just over 700bhp
not sure how long carbon ones last because mine only went in the last few weeks

ive been told as long as you dont slip it loads and let it warm up they last twice as long

RickyLee53

How do you warm a clutch up without slipping it? Just heat from the engine? Surely this would take an age?

Whats the difference between Hyper, comp R and comp D? I've seen them in both ranges of clutch but couldn't get an answer as to what the difference is. Apart from the difference in flywheel wait.

Did you have a twin plate carbon in there before? If so why was the tripple plate lighter?

GaryEvo

the hyper is that start of range

then they do a hyper hd which is with heavy cover
comp r is a light weight version of the twin but with hd cover and non sprung centre,them hd has a sprung centre

yes i had twin but not carbon and the triple has a lighter cover as the extra plate gives added grip

RickyLee53

Thanks for that.

I thought you meant a physical difference in weight, not a difference in the pedal.

Would your recommend a carbon or a normal type for mainly track and road use.
I.e. which is easiest to drive etc.

stevieturbo

The triple should be better in every respect.

Last longer, drive better,and grip better.

More friction surface makes drive engagement smoother.

RickyLee53

This isn't the case when comparing a twin to a standard clutch though is it?

I am comparing a triple plate Cermatalic to a carbon twin though. Not sure if the material difference will make up for the difference?

stevieturbo

Yes. For same materials.

Id rather drive a twin plate, full surface friction material, than a single plate, 4 paddle for example.

But if it means going to a smaller diameter....then that will have an adverse affect on driveability compared to say a large diameter single.

RickyLee53

Ah right ye see your point.

But, back to my question, is carbon better than cermatalic

Carbon will probably be the bigger surface area (if they were both twins, but not as big as a triple)

RickyLee53

Any other views on this, i want to order tomorrow, but don't know which 1.

Chris S

TRIPLE FTW

RickyLee53

What would you know about clutch's yours might as well slip till 5th gear

Chris S

prob get more traction so a can tan u again fag

ian sibbert

The only draw back with a carbon (well AP ) as thats the only one I have experience of is the service intervals, where the stack has to be measured and the next shim plate fitted, in competition you usually get 600 - 700 competitive miles between services, but the do last much much longer than a ceramettalic and do take up a lot nicer than a ceramettalic....

RickyLee53

Not sure you have to on them all?
Do you mean to keep the clamp load the same?

Well this has put another spin on things, i'd just decided I was going for the ceramettalic tripple plate as i got a better deal on it. Still only 200 quid cheaper than the twin plate carbon, but it was my only way to seperate the 2.

I hate making decisions, i just know i'l end up buying both in the long run, whichever i chose.

ian sibbert

This explains the AP version better pal....not seen the exedy one.....but given the choice for a competition car with loads of grunt the carbon would be a better option, although not the cheapest to buy or maintain....

http://www.apracing.com/car/drawings/p14068.pdf

RickyLee53

My car's predominantly a road car, nobody seems to run carbon on the road, not sure if there is a reason why. The cost isn't that much more than a triple to buy or change the plates and carbon is said to last longer.

Do they need to be warm to get there full power handling.

RickyLee53

Ah right just had a read of that, its for the backlash on a basketted clutch rather than the clamp load, i don't think the Exedy 1s are like this. But thanks for your input

vikingboy

i run a tilton twin carbon on my evo road car - wouldnt use anything else personally now.

drives like a stock clutch, can be slipped without fucking it and has the guts to grab like fuck when you want to hard launch.

wasnt cheap but worth every penny so far

vikingboy

some details here...

http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...hreadid=101231

RickyLee53

What kind of power is your car? How many miles have you done?

Sounds like what i want.

RickyLee53

Thanks for that you've answered all my questions with that link. Just 1 thing...

Edit, awesome clutch but 3300 is a little over budget just yet. Still might be worth looking at a carbon exedy, half the price and hopefully nearly as good.

I do like the Hydraulic push type design though.

vikingboy

you could always import direct from the US for a good saving - esp at the UKP/USD rate as it is right now.

Christian and Beccy

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Ricky, you had a price on the Exedy Carbon yet?

RickyLee53

Got a rough price, always on the lookout for cheaper.