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Old 15-10-2008, 01:23 PM
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I am having a similar issue.

Car stutters on hard acceleration asif I have taken foot off throttle - like a rev limiter/traction control.

I have no fault codes showing.

Lambda has been replaced.

Driven with new Lambda unplugged - no cure

Driven with the MAF unplugged - no cure

Air leak test - no leaks

Replaced plugs (NGK Platinum) and leads

Coil pack changed

Crank shaft position sensor replaced (Cables all in excellent condition)


I took my car to Tony McQuire at Pumaspeed last Friday for him to diagnose and advise. He took it out and felt it, plugged in the laptop and I drove him around while he watched what was going on - saw fluctuation at the MAF, but prooved the MAF is functioning etc etc, checked over the engine (Inlet Manifold Control valve) and he had no suggestions, no cure, and car still stuttering.

The car gets used a lot, I am not a gentle driver if I am honest, have been doing around 1000-2000 miles per month. So it shouldn't have blocked injectors or anything like this. I am still driving the car with fault, and if I drive moderately then it feels fine. Sometime while holding a steady 80mph can feel the throttle fluctuating, and it won't accelerate above 85mph without buckaroo'ing. Not pretty.

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Old 16-10-2008, 11:37 PM
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This is all a bit disheartening really but let me add to it:

My car was stuttering mildly under most conditions until i realised that spark plug no.4 was only hanging on by 2 threads (had only just bought it). Before my car went in to get a Helicoil done after the inevitable happened, the variable inlet runner was definitely working because the intake noise changed at about 5500-6000rpm. Now, despite being much smoother, the inlet noise doesn't change at all, making me think it doesn't work any more.

Of more relevance to the thread though, is that around 1600rpm in 5th and cruising along at a steady speed, it goes a bit jerky when you back off the throttle even when it's warm. It doesn't do it at the same revs in other gears under the same conditions so i'm a bit confused.
Old 29-08-2013, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by yournan
Ok took my st170 up shakespeare raceway yesterday and I couldn't get under 17, yet last time I got 16.1! My fastest time was with the cat on, so not sure if the decat is costing me time, or the below problems. I think its the below problems.

Now lately it has been flat at the top end in second and first gears, though third storms on. I checked the dsi 6 months ago, so that is my first port of call. However the engine light has been on for several months with the below errors:

P0135 O2 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

P0141 O2 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 2)

I have replaced both 02 sensors and cigar, I have removed the 02 cheater as I have a decat on and nothing. The cables and looms have been checked and they're ok. Its doing my nut! So I'm not sure if that would be holding it back, I don't think it would be doing it any favours.

Also with it being flat at the top it start stuttering on the way home. Though later that night was fine. I guess if it was the old cracked fuel pump it would be like it all the time - perhaps something is still in the tank or fuel lines?

It also has been like kangeroo'ing sometimes, as if the coil pack is going, but then perks up. It hasn't done that for two weeks and only come on in the rain.

Last oil change was about 6k ago, plugs and leads done at the same time. Fuel filter was done about 30k ago.

Help would be appreciated as I'm gonna sell the bloody thing or push it into a pool!

btw - it has been mentioned could be corrupt ecu, although I have seen this error occur when someone's front loom got chopped up in the fan, but mine looks ok.

Mercer
I have exactly same probs, how did you solve this ?
Old 29-08-2013, 02:16 PM
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If your having the same symptoms and replaced / checked the above, then id start by checking the fuel pump. Very common issue resulting in kangaroo effect.
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Old 29-08-2013, 06:08 PM
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Lambda faults can point to air leaks from intake manifold/ vac pipes etc.
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Originally Posted by MJ_RST
If your having the same symptoms and replaced / checked the above, then id start by checking the fuel pump. Very common issue resulting in kangaroo effect.

this seems like the same problem im having.
I got the car with 32k but no service history, just mots.
needed a IMRC which i got new, and the O2 sensor, also replaced.
I had a full service done, and had the cam belt changed at a ford dealers.
they noticed a leaking thermostat housing, which i changed myself
Also fitted a k&n induction kit
had a mot done, no problem
i drove 8k over 6 months and then this problem started.
originally the car always started from cold perfectly, but on the motoway at 80, after about 15 mins, would lose power, like i had lifted my foot, and not recover unless i lifted off, the one time i did try keeping my foot down, it throw a dtc, cant remember the code, but said misfire, only ever got that one error. if i slowed to 50 as soon as it started, it would recover, if i tried to keep the speed up it eventually died, but started again 10 mins later.

I changed the the fuel pump, ended up taking the tank out twice, first time i cleaned the tank that was fairly clean, the filter was a bit crappy but not as bad as the donor ( my 1.6 ) pumps filter, i didnt connect the sender properly and had to take it back out again to reconnect that
the 1.6 is still runs fine with the st's pump.

ive also swapped the MAF with the 1.6 and the 1.6 runs fine.
I've checked all the vacuum pipes ( i think ) ive had them collapse on the 1.6 which took me a while to find, but all the st's elbows and pipes are in good condition, looked for bad connections, bad earths, but everything seems good.

The problem has gotten worse, and now sometimes, lately more often than not, it dosnt want to start, i have to hold my foot down, it starts, stutters, maybe a few pops from the exhaust, and eventually the revs start to come up and it gets better after a few mins, this is very random, as sometimes it starts and idles perfectly, although now rarely will it rev smoothly to the limiter.

being curious, i took a look at the vvt solenoid ! which came apart rather than come out, so i had a mechanic remove the stuck half and fit a new one. not cheap !

i had not used the car for almost two years, i took it for a mot, and its failed on emissions! less than 10k after passing with good emission results.
its definitely idling rich

i see a idle control valve test that said to rev at 3k for 10 secs with lots of electrics on, then lift off, if the revs drop below 1000 and it almost dies theirs a idle valve problem, I tried this and it does cause it to almost die, so i wonder could this cause problem at 80 mph after 10 mins.

I bought a cheap bluetooth can bus diag thing, which lasted about 10 mins !!! and burnt out ( ive had other code readers connected and not been a problem, was most likely faulty ) but i did manage to watch the tps and that seemed to be fine, although i cant remember if it was running ok at the time.

Ive read untill my head hurts, many times had two mechanics look,both said its a case of trial and error, but i cant afford to just keep changing parts.

im going to take a look at the cam and crank sensor resistance, maybe try spray some wd40 around the inlet manifold ( unless theirs a better way to look for vacuum leaks )

also a new problem now, MIL light and p117 showing on self diag, ECT circuit low input, could that make it run rich, and or cause other problems ? temp gauge seems to work fine.

Any suggestions would be appreciated, im more than happy to post results, and any other info if needed

Pat.
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