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Old 09-03-2004, 01:56 PM
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cheeRS phil, puting it in was the easy bit, fixin what needs fixed on its the pain in the arse, ju snoticed my turbooil return pipe gasgket is leaking more ££
Old 09-03-2004, 02:06 PM
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Looking good.....
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Hello mate surely your inlet manafold is gona cause the number one cylinder to run weeker than the rest as the air is forced past 1 2 3 then 4 rather than a tapped feed from front to rear?. You would be better off having a 1 off plenium made for the engine but use the flange on the manafold,as this is the way that me and my brother are gona do to his engine.we are gona aim for 320hp to 400.shouldnt be to hard
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1 2 3 then 4
shouldnt that be forced past 432 and then into 1?

i think u will find this engine has good proven spec... for about 270 bhp... which is plenty on fwd...
Old 13-03-2004, 08:03 PM
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dave that gasket is 3 quid from ford matey, ive just replace mine so i know for sure
Old 13-03-2004, 08:28 PM
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Dan, do what you like for your inlet manifold mate

I have made the decision to use the Rover 820 manifold for a number of reasons. Propper plenum design knowledge being one of them, remember, air does NOT flow through all four runners at once . At any one time, air will ONLY flow through one inlet runner, there for we must not assume air is flowing through all of the runners at once, as it is not

Goodluck with 320-400 mate, whats the spec??
Old 13-03-2004, 11:15 PM
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One of breather to my design for use on my engine...big up Lee @ Fusion
Old 14-03-2004, 02:40 PM
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Yes i know,but equal dispersion between cyl is surely the name of the game hence most std inlets as the cozzy/rs 200 and the rst are made not to favour 1 cyl first.I dont dout it will work well,but you know as well as i do that after a period of time 270 hp(which aint shy) will be old news and then you will want more power (which is why you have built this engine?) then you may have to consider a slight mod to your inlet which aint hard. And you got me on the 432 then 1.All that aside it will be good to see it.On my brothers motor we are not 100percent on some parts so we are still hunting for the parts we want/need we may end up getting some parts from the usa, as the exchange rate is so good at the mo,as i just brought a t66 turbo for my motor
Old 14-03-2004, 06:01 PM
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just to add, dan if you are aiming for 400bhp ish you should speak to austin.
he has some posts in the traders parts forum under mikes group a coils.

he is using a ztec turbo in his westfield and aparently it's got around 420bhp!
Old 14-03-2004, 08:41 PM
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Cheers for that,il have a look. just a suggestion for you on your breather system,have you thought about running a vacum pump on the breather tanks outlet,as this will help pull a negative vacum in the engine which help the rings seal it wont stop all the blow by when your flat out by it will help lower down in the rev/boost range though,finding the right pump is the hard part, unless you go for a dry sump system then your talk vacum but with a serious price. How much did you part with for your breather?
Old 14-03-2004, 10:34 PM
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Vacuum pump.....no tar. As I explained in my breather notes above, the positve crank case pressure will leave the engine via the breather as it passes through to atmosphere!

My breather price is a state secret , talk to Lee @ Fusion if you want one....
Old 15-03-2004, 12:32 AM
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Keep up the good work/ pics phil, ur engine should be a sensibly modded monster!

cheers,

Hardeep.
Old 16-03-2004, 11:54 AM
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Quality Thread! Keep up the good work Phil, its an eye opener to the rest of us

Thanks

Matt
Old 16-03-2004, 12:02 PM
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nice m8
Old 16-03-2004, 03:19 PM
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Cranks in....slow progress as i am waiting for my pistons , should be sorted by the end of the week and we will be away once again , could fit waterpump/oilpump etc, but I think I'll wait till I have the pistons in....
Old 16-03-2004, 03:33 PM
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LOL - Phil, but you are the Zetec Turbo piston king.... and you haven't got any...
Presumably you're using something special??
Old 16-03-2004, 03:44 PM
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Ah, Rich......no, Ive got loads as you said.

Problem has been getting the rods machined and them fitted. Someone local offered to do it, so I gave them to them, but didnt manage to get round to it.....so I have taken them to somewhere else to get done.....will be back by the end of this week I hope
Old 17-03-2004, 03:31 PM
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alright m8 i'm thinking about undertaking a similar project and was wondering about your head gasket is it genuine ford or a pattern part????

and how much did you pay for it as i got a price of £49 for a pattern one????
Old 17-03-2004, 03:48 PM
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Genuine Ford, costs about £28 new mate
Old 17-03-2004, 06:57 PM
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is that £28 inc vat for the one pictured earlier????
Old 17-03-2004, 07:54 PM
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There abouts mate
Old 17-03-2004, 09:51 PM
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Phil, top build mate

BUT, could you tell me the part no. for the gasket please? also are you having the oil holes drilled into your rodsfor the pin? do you know what size they are meant to be?

thanks
Old 18-03-2004, 01:09 AM
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Headgasket is FINIS: 1105772

The rods are being modified for the pistons's 21mm pin yep
Old 18-03-2004, 07:04 AM
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thanks

oh yeah, do you know what size the oil holes that are drilled in the piston end of the rod are meant to be?

cheers
Old 18-03-2004, 07:53 AM
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3mm
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what are you doing about the oil feed point out of the back of the block for the turbo are you moving it over to the next blanking plug so being able to use the original oil feed pipe or are you going to get a custom one made thats longer so using the original take off point?????
Old 18-03-2004, 11:09 PM
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Gavin, I am using the standard oil pressure switch position, with a S2 "block" for the switch/turbo oil feed hose
Old 20-03-2004, 08:00 AM
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what do you find is the best method to remove the blanking plug as the last few that i have done the torx drive has either snapped or the head has chewd up i've tried heat/wd 40 but to no avail as a last resort the last 2 that ive done have been drilled out but then the pump, crank,and head has to come off to clear the oil ways
Any ideas will be greatly apreciated
oh and of corse the 1st one i did just come out no problem beginners luck ehh
Old 21-03-2004, 11:59 PM
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LOL.....Dunno really mate, mine have come out OK with a bit of WD40 and a torx bit on my toque wrench (lots of leverage).......

Dont know what to suggest really...I'd not drill it tho, Id sooner elave it there and T the other one!
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got it sorted in the end
just not enough heat oxy/actealene is the boy(bad spelling i know)
it got rather warm and just came straight out
so this will be my chosen method in future and maybe other peoples too now they have read this
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Old 26-03-2004, 01:50 PM
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Phil if you dont mind me asking how much did it cost to get the holes drilled for the breather and oil return pipes?

a local machine place has just quoted me £68+vat cos they say it has to be set up on a machine!!!
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MK1 Hippy My mate had a breather drilled and oil return welded for £10 at a local machine shop.
£68+vat
Old 26-03-2004, 06:53 PM
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£68 QUID CHRIST ALL MIGHTY.........................

I'D SAY BE-FRIEND AN ENGINEER

COZ ALL ME M8S GET STUFF DONE FOR NOWT, OR IN RETURN FOR FAVOURS (BY THE WAY I'M THE ENGINEER)

I MEAN I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF BUILDING A ZVH FOR SOME ONE IN EXCHANGE FOR HIM PAINTING THE UNDERSIDE ITEMS OF ME S2 RS TURBO RESTORATION WE WORK TOGETHER BUT HES PAINT SHOP AND I'M MACHINE SHOP.

SO REALLY IT DON'T COST EITHER OF USE ANYTHING
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fuckin hell man.

I use a machine shop and they are tooooop, as you can see by the standard of the block as it was delivered back to me, and they charge £15 per tube, which is quiet expensive, but when you consider the time it takes, and what a good job they do, its well worth the extra expense. £68+vat tho....pmsl
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Some progress now, got the pistons and rods machined and back to me, so full swing now


Crank has now been torqued up following the dummy build to check clearances


Under Piston Oil Spray Jets have been refitted following the cleaning of the block, so all is lovely and clean, free of dirt/Swarf™


As you can see, clearance with my pistons has been checked at BDC and it is fine, 2mm of clearance, but really does need to be checked since I am not using Ford Zetec pistons, so a differing skirt length could have caused contact


Dummy build with piston in, to check piston height at TDC, and to plastigauge bearing clearances on the big end, and to check the spray jets for clearance among other things!


Thought I'd chuck this one in since the missus took it and was on my camera, its me , so now you know, say hello at shows/events this year

Unfortunatly thats as far as I got this evening, as about 10pm I was kindly asked to come in and give some attention to Katie (her indoors ) for a change....ahwell, to be continued!
Old 27-03-2004, 06:37 PM
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looking good ugly :P
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All rods in and torqued up


Pistons in and sorted


Waterpump fitted, oilpump and filter also....

All going very well so far......will keep the pics coming
Old 27-03-2004, 09:52 PM
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Does the cutey come with the price of the rebuild, or is she for show too?
Old 27-03-2004, 10:29 PM
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