PE rolling road day figures, latest........
05-02-2006, 11:16 AM
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running order was all over the place tho, i think all of tonys mates wer on firt to get in the mags
I think PF had a great influence on running order.
05-02-2006, 12:10 PM
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Very interesting discussion on RR power figures.
What are everyones goals, many people on this forum have impressive cars, much better than mine. However, once you have spent the money to achieve 400 - 500ps, what next?
Interesting would be everyones 0-60 times, then the actual ps figure does not matter. Target could be M Hadlands time of 2.998 secs and not his max power figure.
looking forward to everyone hitting me with their times.
What are everyones goals, many people on this forum have impressive cars, much better than mine. However, once you have spent the money to achieve 400 - 500ps, what next?
Interesting would be everyones 0-60 times, then the actual ps figure does not matter. Target could be M Hadlands time of 2.998 secs and not his max power figure.
looking forward to everyone hitting me with their times.
05-02-2006, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl
Andy,
I have been to PE several times over the years to watch RR days.
I always make the same comments about cooling where ever I go, it is not a criticism directed at Pe solely.
People must understand the seriousness of using tiny cooling fans on a rolling road and the risk it entails. If people honestly think a tiny 2kw fan can give anything like the cooling required for not only the intercooler and radiator but also the air flow both under and over the car then they live in cloud cuckoo land.
If you need me to quote figures I can. I have had numerous cars that I have done, run on several rolling roads throughout the country. When I have done this I have done thermal surveys monitering all manner of temperatures both on and around the engine. The results after being on a RR are absolutely shocking!
I am not here to argue about this, but simply to explain why I often advise my customers that running on the RR is at their own risk and why I don't advise it unless the cooling is adequate. Once an engine has overheated, irreversible damage can be done, often resulting in major components such as the cylinder head needing replacement due to heat damage!!
I have been to PE several times over the years to watch RR days.
I always make the same comments about cooling where ever I go, it is not a criticism directed at Pe solely.
People must understand the seriousness of using tiny cooling fans on a rolling road and the risk it entails. If people honestly think a tiny 2kw fan can give anything like the cooling required for not only the intercooler and radiator but also the air flow both under and over the car then they live in cloud cuckoo land.
If you need me to quote figures I can. I have had numerous cars that I have done, run on several rolling roads throughout the country. When I have done this I have done thermal surveys monitering all manner of temperatures both on and around the engine. The results after being on a RR are absolutely shocking!
I am not here to argue about this, but simply to explain why I often advise my customers that running on the RR is at their own risk and why I don't advise it unless the cooling is adequate. Once an engine has overheated, irreversible damage can be done, often resulting in major components such as the cylinder head needing replacement due to heat damage!!
05-02-2006, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary scott
My Red RS1600i ran 227bhp & 236 lbs ft @ 17psi
But was running a little lean at the top.
Still Pleased though considering the boost level!
Was a great day!
But was running a little lean at the top.
Still Pleased though considering the boost level!
Was a great day!
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
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Yes - but its only a 1800 ZVH.
Only been on the road a week and ive got loads of stuff still to do.
Quite suprised it made it there and back, let alone the power run!
Only been on the road a week and ive got loads of stuff still to do.
Quite suprised it made it there and back, let alone the power run!
05-02-2006, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary scott
Yes - but its only a 1800 ZVH.
What sort of boost can you run with it? I take its not std compression or pistons ?
05-02-2006, 12:53 PM
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Ive got steel rods and accralitte pistons so boost isnt a problem - I just cant get the fuel for that boost!!
But I have got a fifth injector at home to fit and then im going to run it at about 20psi and that will be that.
As its lively enough as it is.
But I have got a fifth injector at home to fit and then im going to run it at about 20psi and that will be that.
As its lively enough as it is.
06-02-2006, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by grey RS
simon170 Yes that's me 
Polished MO's
Polished MO's 
Love it
Loved how it sounded on there 
Think it surprised a few people, as i think it's a bit of a sleeper and is very quiet with the PE exhaust
I am happy with the car as is now, but is gonna have a little bit more work and is due another set up.. maybe we'll see a tiny bit more boost and a bit more power
Plan to keep it under 250bhpThanks AndyRST
That GTiR was mental, sounded like nothing i've heard before 
scared me
06-02-2006, 08:38 AM
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chris's saph is nothing like 400+ unless ive missed loads of stuff hes done to it 
whats the spec
whats the specLow Comp
.55 T34
Ported Head
400's
Mongoose
Pro Alloy cooler/Rad/Turbo Cooler
28 psi peak 26 held.
Hoping for around 380 ish
06-02-2006, 09:07 AM
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I had a really good day,
I felt for Tony, It was never gonna be easy trying to get 40 cars on the rollers and keep everyone happy.
Everyone who wanted to run did so I see no problem!!
I had a really good day, my fiesta got 176BHP and 196lbs Torque, last time I got 151BHP and 172lbs Torque with a hole in the Actuator and a blown Turbo. I was really chuffed!!
Thanks to all involved and was nice to meet some new people!!
I felt for Tony, It was never gonna be easy trying to get 40 cars on the rollers and keep everyone happy.
Everyone who wanted to run did so I see no problem!!
I had a really good day, my fiesta got 176BHP and 196lbs Torque, last time I got 151BHP and 172lbs Torque with a hole in the Actuator and a blown Turbo. I was really chuffed!!
Thanks to all involved and was nice to meet some new people!!
06-02-2006, 09:12 AM
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no mine was white H reg
went after the guys from Manchester's black one, really dirty, Chris got out the car and said 'Thats fucked'
I was praying he wouldn't say that about mine!!
went after the guys from Manchester's black one, really dirty, Chris got out the car and said 'Thats fucked'
I was praying he wouldn't say that about mine!!
06-02-2006, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DanRSturbo
Oh yeah, I remember it now, sorry I didn't come say hello 
That black one didn't look healthy at all
That black one didn't look healthy at all
I managed to lose my house mate several times lol, the poor boy! Dragged him along as didn't want to go on my own then kept leaving him!
I felt really sorry for him with the black one, he said he was worried about it smoking on the rollers, spose that is the least of his worries!
06-02-2006, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DanRSturbo
I thought Lou Lou's was the last one on Nice little motor that 
Nice little motor that was pleased with how she did Lol thanks Lorraine
06-02-2006, 09:55 AM
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Was a great day is the 3rd time been to PE 2nd r/r day, great to catch up with some familiar faces, sadly didn't put any new faces to names (though now assuming it was sassys kids we were smiling at saying 'ah how cute'!) people were all very friendly including PE staff, very hospitable with the coffee/bacon rolls and cakes! 
Fayes cabrio looked and sounded awesome (first time seen it in the flesh) 221 a great figure, shame Alex's didn't get better than his run, well done at greyrs figure, think I missed any huge BHP cossies run but was good day, glad we popped along
Z
Fayes cabrio looked and sounded awesome (first time seen it in the flesh) 221 a great figure, shame Alex's didn't get better than his run, well done at greyrs figure, think I missed any huge BHP cossies run but was good day, glad we popped along
Z
06-02-2006, 10:06 AM
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Well Done Tony
I thought you organised it as well as anyone could have done, bearing in mind the amount of cars that turned up.
Bacon Butties were first class, and the constant cups of coffee well appreciated.
As for the rollers..... Well, it was down to everyone as to if they ran there car or not, the fan they used was the smallest I've seen at any rolling road, but having asked a few people what there ACT's were running, bearing in mind the the PE guys, were doing two quick runs on the cars, and not keeping the cars loaded up for more than a few seconds, also bearing in mind the weather.... It was bloody freezing, and knowing I had a huge Pro Alloy Intercooler, Rad, and Turbo Pre Cooler, I decided to run my car...... The ACT gauge indicated 35 deg centigrade during the run, so bearing in mind all the above, I took the decision to run the car.....Even after I found out that the 2wd rollers wouldn't handle over 400bhp. I've had the car on other rollers before (Re-Worx in Portsmouth...Excellent Place with brand new rollers and a huge fan) so I already knew it was going to make at least 430bhp. But what the hell, it was a good day and I'm confident no problems were caused on the day to anyones car. PE were doing very quick power runs and bearing in mind everyone elses act's and the weather, I think anyone with a good Intercooler/cooling set up will be fine.
Not a perfect set up, but on the day, I think you'll all still have good engines in your cars.
However, if it had been a hot summers day...... No, I wouldn't have ran my car with those fans......
I thought you organised it as well as anyone could have done, bearing in mind the amount of cars that turned up.
Bacon Butties were first class, and the constant cups of coffee well appreciated.
As for the rollers..... Well, it was down to everyone as to if they ran there car or not, the fan they used was the smallest I've seen at any rolling road, but having asked a few people what there ACT's were running, bearing in mind the the PE guys, were doing two quick runs on the cars, and not keeping the cars loaded up for more than a few seconds, also bearing in mind the weather.... It was bloody freezing, and knowing I had a huge Pro Alloy Intercooler, Rad, and Turbo Pre Cooler, I decided to run my car...... The ACT gauge indicated 35 deg centigrade during the run, so bearing in mind all the above, I took the decision to run the car.....Even after I found out that the 2wd rollers wouldn't handle over 400bhp. I've had the car on other rollers before (Re-Worx in Portsmouth...Excellent Place with brand new rollers and a huge fan) so I already knew it was going to make at least 430bhp. But what the hell, it was a good day and I'm confident no problems were caused on the day to anyones car. PE were doing very quick power runs and bearing in mind everyone elses act's and the weather, I think anyone with a good Intercooler/cooling set up will be fine.
Not a perfect set up, but on the day, I think you'll all still have good engines in your cars.
However, if it had been a hot summers day...... No, I wouldn't have ran my car with those fans......
06-02-2006, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SassyRS
Lou Lou 
Im trying to gets Matts arse into gear so we can do that Grudge Match
will be fun
Im trying to gets Matts arse into gear so we can do that Grudge Match
will be fun
06-02-2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SassyRS
where were u, why didnt u come say hi??
pmsl I didn't realise was you!Your boys were playing together through the rain sheet on the buggy, "bless" I thought! lol
Z
06-02-2006, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cabrio zo
Originally Posted by SassyRS
where were u, why didnt u come say hi??
pmsl I didn't realise was you!Your boys were playing together through the rain sheet on the buggy, "bless" I thought! lol
Z
If i would have realised u were there i would have defo come and say hi
Make sure you do next time
06-02-2006, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Karl, Dastek have developed a fan that is not really any bigger than the one PE use and it has been measured as producing a serious amount of air (like well over 100mph AFAIK). It costs almost Ł4000. I am unsure offhand about exact specs, but the point is that its unfair to judge a fan without knowing the full spec.
Also, if the ACT's and Water Temps don't reach high levels, what else is there to worry about?
Also, if the ACT's and Water Temps don't reach high levels, what else is there to worry about?
a fan can produce a wind speed at 1000 mph - it's irrelevant to how much airflow there is in terms of mass (or volume).
you may well blow enough air over the intercooler during the power run to keep the ACT down, but then what? you've just produced peak power from your engine that has generated rather a lot of thermal energy. where is that going to go? into the oil and water systems, yes. that's all well and good, but without airflow over the full frontal area of the car including under and over it, you can get localised hot spots in the engine where the coolant is not sufficiant, and it's those that can have lasting effects on the material of the engine as karl is trying to tell you.
i refer you to the thread where i have posted pics of the fan required to generate wind speeds of just 70 mph over the full frontal area of a car (links on page 3 of this thread). that is driven by a 200kW motor (although it is not at full capacity at 70mph).
without trying to sound arrogant, i wish that you would listen to a couple of proffessional engineers with years of experience in this sort of thing
06-02-2006, 01:18 PM
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Now I'm going to sound ignorant, but how long does the car spend on the rollers? Is it peak power when the engine is hottest, is a car running/revving long enough on a power run to risk any heat damage?
Can't remember what one they use at Engine Advantages when ran the XR4x4
As you say foreigneRS bit irrelevant now as the day has been and we all had a good time anyway
Z
Can't remember what one they use at Engine Advantages when ran the XR4x4
As you say foreigneRS bit irrelevant now as the day has been and we all had a good time anyway
Z
08-02-2006, 08:53 PM
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p.e rolling road day figues latest
i think the fans were way to small ok for the run of the mill tuned cars but my car runs 400bhp easy the noise from my engine was loud as some of you heard and only made 380 bhp still a nice day out shame i could not push some of the cossis boys down the road just to show how a light weight piece of jap crape can go thanks mad max
09-02-2006, 07:16 AM
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Re: p.e rolling road day figues latest
Originally Posted by mad max
i think the fans were way to small ok for the run of the mill tuned cars but my car runs 400bhp easy the noise from my engine was loud as some of you heard and only made 380 bhp still a nice day out shame i could not push some of the cossis boys down the road just to show how a light weight piece of jap crape can go thanks mad max
I do think the fan is totally usless for my car but then others may have better different cooling etc never seen a fan so small on a rr before .
It was the first time i habe seen my fans on on a rr
Anyways pics to follow ,cheers tone for a good day was a bit of a run but enjoyed it we will be havin 1 up here hope you and ya pals will repay the gesture and visit us maybe? im sure you would benifit from the big fans and aircon in the dyno would be an interestin comparison etc.
Tim
cya soon at the pod
09-02-2006, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by kennyA
looking forward to everyone hitting me with their times.
ACCLERATION
SPEED SECS
0-50 3.55
0-60 4.09
0-70 4.61
0-80 5.26
0-90 6.39
0-100 7.15
0-110 8.02
0-120 9.47
0-130 10.61
0-140 11.85
0-150 13.30
0-160 15.00
0-170 17.90
0-180 19.84
0-190 22.42
0-200 26.53
IN GEAR
SPEED SECS
60-100 3.06
60-150 9.21
100-150 6.15
150-180 6.59
180-200 6.69
150-200 13.23
09-02-2006, 07:51 AM
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mad max Hia, was yours one of the Pulsars? Loved the noise, was standing upstairs at the time yours ran and I'm sure the floor was shaking!! I was in the Focus which was being lifted up in the garage for a little tlc!!
09-02-2006, 08:19 AM
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Re: p.e rolling road day figues latest
Originally Posted by Tim
Anyways pics to follow ,cheers tone for a good day was a bit of a run but enjoyed it we will be havin 1 up here hope you and ya pals will repay the gesture and visit us maybe? im sure you would benifit from the big fans and aircon in the dyno would be an interestin comparison etc.
Tim
Tim
I'll be there
Glad you enjoyed it mate. Sorry I never got time to have a proper chat.
I never had a problem with ACT's in my car. As most people know I sat in my car with Chris, the temps started off at 40+ because of heat soak, then as the car ran with no boost they dropped to around 30ish, then after one full on run they dropped to high 20's and kept dropping. The last 3 runs were all done at 22- 24 degrees right to the rev limit.
Can't really ask for better than that imo.