How does a standard Evo 6 compare to a stage 3 cossie
12-01-2006, 11:20 AM
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How does a standard Evo 6 compare to a stage 3 cossie
Going to look at a Rheims blue 1999 Evo 6 tommorrow seems cheap at £9995 & described as immac, before anyone says yes i have posted on the lancer forum to ask for buying advise. In a straight line what are the performance figs for standard 0-60 0-100 1/4 mile top end.
Thanks Simon.
Thanks Simon.
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Originally Posted by 1st Bionic Cossie
Hmm... but 3DR RWD not what I meant, meant 4x4 Cossie... straight line car? 
12-01-2006, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 1st Bionic Cossie
Hmm... but 3DR RWD not what I meant, meant 4x4 Cossie... straight line car?
As an example, my car with full interior, road tyres and only 450bhp*, was only 1.55s slower than Kev Atkins fully stripped out, Dunlop D01J equipped, 550bhp Evo VI at last years GT Battle...
(and only 1.32s slower than Simon Norris's 650bhp Evo VIII 
).*I forgot to say that this was all the more impressive, as I was having to run the boost on position 10 of 12 due to a misfire, which I originally put down to the BP Ultimate (as mine is mapped for 98 RON Optimax), but it turned out that the coilpack was faulty due to water ingress
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12-01-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 1st Bionic Cossie
Hmm... but 3DR RWD not what I meant, meant 4x4 Cossie... straight line car?
12-01-2006, 02:56 PM
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So are we saying that a standard evo 6 will not feel as lively as a proper 330bhp cossie 3dr, suppose i'll find out tommorrow if i drive it
Been reading up on the lancer forum 'buying guide', i only do about 3-4k a year at the very most but by the looks it will cost a lot more than a 3dr to maintain
Simon
Been reading up on the lancer forum 'buying guide', i only do about 3-4k a year at the very most but by the looks it will cost a lot more than a 3dr to maintain
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12-01-2006, 02:58 PM
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ur well sorted escort went out the back like a mini at the N.Ring, maybe I should have entered this GT battle thing
ps Im just winding mike. I dont even own one anymore!
Evo 6 in straight line with basic exhaust n boost upgrade all within std spec is pretty much identical to stage 3 escort cossie in straight line. I had that race a couple of times. Tho a straight line 3dr was a bit faster with a very similar spec. Quite a bit lighter mind u
With those basic mods mine made 277 wheels ava. Good t35 500 cooler on a 4x4 cossie makes around the same
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ps Im just winding mike. I dont even own one anymore!
Evo 6 in straight line with basic exhaust n boost upgrade all within std spec is pretty much identical to stage 3 escort cossie in straight line. I had that race a couple of times. Tho a straight line 3dr was a bit faster with a very similar spec. Quite a bit lighter mind u
With those basic mods mine made 277 wheels ava. Good t35 500 cooler on a 4x4 cossie makes around the same
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12-01-2006, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by 1st Bionic Cossie
Hmm... but 3DR RWD not what I meant, meant 4x4 Cossie... straight line car?
The Evo also looses far less through the transmission as well (as it isn't out of a Massey Fergusson
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12-01-2006, 03:01 PM
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ur well sorted escort went out the back like a mini at the N.Ring, maybe I should have entered this GT battle thing
. I seem to remember everyone telling you that you would be lucky to survive the weekend .
12-01-2006, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by simonc
So are we saying that a standard evo 6 will not feel as lively as a proper 330bhp cossie 3dr, suppose i'll find out tommorrow if i drive it
Simon
Simon
. However, as Stevo says, a simple boost mod on the Evo would level the field.
12-01-2006, 03:09 PM
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OK thanks.
I can see myself not buying it as i always find it hard to part with a cossie & always come back to them, god knows why ! I have had a cossie of some description since 1995
Simon.
I can see myself not buying it as i always find it hard to part with a cossie & always come back to them, god knows why ! I have had a cossie of some description since 1995
Simon.
12-01-2006, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by simonc
OK thanks.
I can see myself not buying it as i always find it hard to part with a cossie & always come back to them, god knows why ! I have had a cossie of some description since 1995
Simon.
I can see myself not buying it as i always find it hard to part with a cossie & always come back to them, god knows why ! I have had a cossie of some description since 1995
Simon.
They are raw and exciting and considered the "under-dog", so it is nice to make them into something that beats a LOT of modern cars. Plus Evo owners (especially Scottish ones
) aren't as nice as Cossie owners .
12-01-2006, 03:27 PM
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Just did a search of an MLR trackday at Dunkerswell (SW nr. Honiton), from a couple of years back. Nice twisty circuit with a hairpin (see layout below), tarmac but very dusty surface.......
Very few standard EVO's as most were 330-340 BHP, and some were 370-380 BHP.....
Oh, and the three "guest" Cossies were:
Me - to times as I lost second gear on the drive up there
Simon (SECS)
Phil 2400 in a RWD Stage 3 cossie and he WAS showboating as usual not a bad time when you see the circuit layout - PERFECT for a RWD Cossie on Nangkang tyres
Here are the times in order, just for the sake of interest of course...
1m10.78 MIKEVO (congrats again Mike! )
1m11.65 EVO6RSS
1m11.78 Fraggle
1m11.94 REDEVO
1m12.66 Salamanzer
1m12.85 Fish Monkey
1m13.12 Reims
1m14.90 Queripel
1m16.34 Oli Goon
1m17.91 Colie
(1m18.16 Phil Cossie)
1m19.71 Rodney
1m19.78 DaveF
(1m19.97 Simon Cossie)1m23.06
Mike_Turbo
1m26.00 GeorgeG
Very few standard EVO's as most were 330-340 BHP, and some were 370-380 BHP.....
Oh, and the three "guest" Cossies were:
Me - to times as I lost second gear on the drive up there
Simon (SECS)
Phil 2400 in a RWD Stage 3 cossie and he WAS showboating as usual
not a bad time when you see the circuit layout - PERFECT for a RWD Cossie on Nangkang tyres Here are the times in order, just for the sake of interest of course...
1m10.78 MIKEVO (congrats again Mike! )
1m11.65 EVO6RSS
1m11.78 Fraggle
1m11.94 REDEVO
1m12.66 Salamanzer
1m12.85 Fish Monkey
1m13.12 Reims
1m14.90 Queripel
1m16.34 Oli Goon
1m17.91 Colie
(1m18.16 Phil Cossie)
1m19.71 Rodney
1m19.78 DaveF
(1m19.97 Simon Cossie)1m23.06
Mike_Turbo
1m26.00 GeorgeG
12-01-2006, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
Just did a search of an MLR trackday at Dunkerswell (SW nr. Honiton), from a couple of years back. Nice twisty circuit with a hairpin, tarmac but very dusty surface.......
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I would get the EVO..... cracking bits of kit!
Mike.... just like your hairstyle then! 
One day you may see the light and realise not only has your ABC Lead Singers hair cut gone out of fashion, but also your Escort has!
I haven't (and couldn't) be without a Cossie since 1994.
One day you may see the light and realise not only has your ABC Lead Singers hair cut gone out of fashion, but also your Escort has!
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Originally Posted by dexterc
I know someone that lives near there, and they absolutely hate the place. Ive never heard such "not in my back yard" syndrome as when you ask them about the track. I was told that they were only allowing karts there now or something like that?
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Shame, I would have liked to have come along to watch something like that. It is massively loud though, you can hear it on a hilltop about 4 or 5 miles away very clearly.
12-01-2006, 04:00 PM
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I would get the EVO..... cracking bits of kit!
Mike.... just like your hairstyle then!
One day you may see the light and realise not only has your ABC Lead Singers hair cut gone out of fashion, but also your Escort has!
I haven't (and couldn't) be without a Cossie since 1994.
One day you may see the light and realise not only has your ABC Lead Singers hair cut gone out of fashion, but also your Escort has!
.And it too a thick twat like you, two edits to get that post right
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I was waiting for a reply like that!
In all honesty I am not 100% sure that GT Battle is for me this year (but you never know). The Tuner Grand Prix is looking favourite though.
BUT.....
You can always get your car up to Elvington for the ScoobyShoot Out or of course TOTB.
Even though I am aware you don't actually enter, I may be able to twist Chris/Simon's arm's to let you run a couple of times on the handling circuit to see if you can beat my car!
Obviously this is all inmaterial, since your advanced car and driving will no doubt beat my piece of jap crap. But hey.... call me stupid!
BTW.... Will you accept me as being better than you if my car is quicker around a handling circuit than yours!
In all honesty I am not 100% sure that GT Battle is for me this year (but you never know). The Tuner Grand Prix is looking favourite though.
BUT.....
You can always get your car up to Elvington for the ScoobyShoot Out or of course TOTB.
Even though I am aware you don't actually enter, I may be able to twist Chris/Simon's arm's to let you run a couple of times on the handling circuit to see if you can beat my car!
Obviously this is all inmaterial, since your advanced car and driving will no doubt beat my piece of jap crap.
But hey.... call me stupid! BTW.... Will you accept me as being better than you if my car is quicker around a handling circuit than yours!
12-01-2006, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Fagin
I was waiting for a reply like that!
In all honesty I am not 100% sure that GT Battle is for me this year (but you never know). The Tuner Grand Prix is looking favourite though.
BUT.....
You can always get your car up to Elvington for the ScoobyShoot Out or of course TOTB.
Even though I am aware you don't actually enter, I may be able to twist Chris/Simon's arm's to let you run a couple of times on the handling circuit to see if you can beat my car!
Obviously this is all inmaterial, since your advanced car and driving will no doubt beat my piece of jap crap. But hey.... call me stupid!
BTW.... Will you accept me as being better than you if my car is quicker around a handling circuit than yours!
In all honesty I am not 100% sure that GT Battle is for me this year (but you never know). The Tuner Grand Prix is looking favourite though.
BUT.....
You can always get your car up to Elvington for the ScoobyShoot Out or of course TOTB.
Even though I am aware you don't actually enter, I may be able to twist Chris/Simon's arm's to let you run a couple of times on the handling circuit to see if you can beat my car!
Obviously this is all inmaterial, since your advanced car and driving will no doubt beat my piece of jap crap.
But hey.... call me stupid! BTW.... Will you accept me as being better than you if my car is quicker around a handling circuit than yours!
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I notice that you don't mention the fact that you are getting someone else to drive your car for you...
My instructor tell's me I will be "Driving like a God" before May.....
I personally feel I may be "Meeting God" prior to May!
12-01-2006, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I notice that you don't mention the fact that you are getting someone else to drive your car for you...
My instructor tell's me I will be "Driving like a God" before May.....
I personally feel I may be "Meeting God" prior to May!
) .