cosworth cambelts and tensioners
15-11-2005, 06:16 PM
#1
just finding my feet
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cosworth cambelts and tensioners
is there any difference in the standard and the group A jobs or is it all bollox and just placebo shite in a nice box ????
15-11-2005, 06:35 PM
#2
The cambelt is alot thicker...i refused to put a standard one on when i bought one!..(although very strong just looked to thin 
) The Grp A is more heat resistant...although that may only refer to the Mountune ones.
) The Grp A is more heat resistant...although that may only refer to the Mountune ones.
16-11-2005, 12:08 PM
#5
Originally Posted by b19bal
thats nopt what i asked though, how many bollocks group A things are just normal shite claiming to be group A, coils for example 
. I have an old Ford catelogue with the 909 part number and everything listed as "Grp A" for the coils 
.Same for the cambelts, although I didn't realise there was more than one tensioner....
16-11-2005, 12:15 PM
#6
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mike the point was even the group A head gaskets are the same as a small turbo escos one ( i wanna buy a part, not a finis code )
if the standard cambelt is fine for 400bhp engines then thats what im gonna fit
)if the standard cambelt is fine for 400bhp engines then thats what im gonna fit
16-11-2005, 12:16 PM
#7
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Having had several cam belt failures on YB's we always use the Mountune cam belt.....after investigations with Gates, I believe the Mountune belts have been specially commissioned.....we have used most over the years....IIRC the peugeot 605 diesel uses the same stndard cossie cam belt.....if i were building a decent powered YB i'd use the Mountune cam belt....
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16-11-2005, 12:22 PM
#8
Originally Posted by b19bal
mike the point was even the group A head gaskets are the same as a small turbo escos one ( i wanna buy a part, not a finis code )
if the standard cambelt is fine for 400bhp engines then thats what im gonna fit
)if the standard cambelt is fine for 400bhp engines then thats what im gonna fit
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16-11-2005, 01:48 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
The "Group A" one is only a different Gates belt.
At least that's what it's being sold as - there's a fair chance Mountune don't have their own cambelt production line
At least that's what it's being sold as - there's a fair chance Mountune don't have their own cambelt production line
16-11-2005, 05:52 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Most people who have been sold a Group A one should check the part number, as 90% of you will find its THE SAME ONE pictured above
The genuine Ford one carries a different part number of YBO200.
The genuine Ford one carries a different part number of YBO200.
im not being tight, just asking what the benifit is and whats the difference ect
how many people would pay 40 quid for a "super" burger and chips when you can buy the same meal made by the same chef for the EXACT same meal thats 15 quid
ALalso if a standard cambelt is fine for 400 bhp then why would i need a better one
not like my engines got titanium conrods to match is it
16-11-2005, 05:54 PM
#24
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do a search under "group A coil" and see what you discover thats been said ( not saying its true though, just fooking close as there could be )
please remember that ford dont actually make many parts tbh as most are made for em, just like TV's and bicycles in this world
)please remember that ford dont actually make many parts tbh as most are made for em, just like TV's and bicycles in this world
16-11-2005, 06:18 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by david
Would I be right in saying that the Gates Citreon CM belt is the same one used as a grp A cossie one ??
i know that not many people make cambelts though and most get mate for others and they badge em up
like a victor reinz gasket is a ford gasket
16-11-2005, 06:33 PM
#28
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anymore hints for poeple. btw golf lifters ARE NOT THE SAME as cossie lifters incase anyone sugests that, they are similer bit NOT THE SAME !!!
we need another advice room for all these things as theres nothing worse buying things like brand new cossie oil pumps to find its just a fucking pinto oil pump with a flash cap, well i already got the flash cap so i think ill have the 25 quid one and same the 100 quid to feed my crack habit
16-11-2005, 06:36 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by Graceland
the Citreon CM and Peugeot 605 Diesel belt is the SAME as a YB cossie cambelt - it even says it on the box
AFAIK these were the belts (part no. wise) that have been branded as grp'a' cam belts.....we have used them....as I have said I have seen these snap both on the dyno and on a road section on a rally....for no reason.....we did massive amounts of research about the belts which involved both our supplier and gates themselves.....after lots of argy bargy we discovered the Mountune version was specially commisioned AFAIK it has differences in the lamination.....these belts are the belts we use on the 2 wrc engines we have....never had any touble since.....as Stu etc points out in 95% of applications the standard belt is adequate.....but as it has for many years the issues surrounding mysterious grp'a' parts goes on....just because something is grp'a' does not mean its any better or worse for the application....proper grp'a' parts in my opinion should be traceable to a 909 or MS part no...
HTH
Ian
16-11-2005, 06:39 PM
#32
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Is it std practice to change the tensioner at the same time as the belt then?
Will be doing mine over the winter, anyone got prices for both parts?
Will be doing mine over the winter, anyone got prices for both parts?
16-11-2005, 06:43 PM
#33
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i personally do the tensioner aswell as change all woodruf keys and all bolts with loctite when i do things like this and im a moron
infact any bolts i remove to renew a item i replace the nuts and bolts as otherwise another 70k down the road there gonna be a RIGHT COOONT to undo
infact any bolts i remove to renew a item i replace the nuts and bolts as otherwise another 70k down the road there gonna be a RIGHT COOONT to undo
16-11-2005, 07:05 PM
#35
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mate this time is the LAST TIME that car EVER comes apart !!!!!!
hence why ive sprayed the engine bay and sorted EVERYTHING that looks like it needs doing as i aint EVER gonna do it again, next time the engines go ill be claiming off insurance
hence why ive sprayed the engine bay and sorted EVERYTHING that looks like it needs doing as i aint EVER gonna do it again, next time the engines go ill be claiming off insurance
24-11-2005, 09:46 PM
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