Recce cars....
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
All standard Phil
ie no WRC bits
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This is the spec of Collin Mcrae's Recce car
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Ex-works recce car used by Colin Mcrae on Rally Argentina and Rally Australia. Properly built and very tidy motorsport shell , built by GSE and maintained by M-sport. Mountune race engine with maram shaft turbo . pectel management with ALS. Quaife big tooth gearbox with special recce car ratios. Gartrac built rear arms ( very strong) and front uprights ( very strong) with new WRC steering arms. Ohlins fully adjustable suspension. Peltor intercom and C-giant rally computer etc etc. Original log book showing Ford Motor Co as the first owner and M-sport as the second. There were only 3 cars built to this spec ( n reg) and one of them was written off by Carlos I believe ,so there are only 2 left. This is not your usual untidy converted road car. There is a large spares package including driveshafts front and rear , steering arms , discs , calipers , filters , gaskets and 20 wheels and tyres ( some magnesium OZ ford wheels). The car also comes with gravel springs and antiroll bars and tarmac ones.
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Paul,
In case you didn't realise / notice, Phil has an Escort COSWORTH that he is converting to Recce spec - not a Volvo
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OBVIOUSLY (for the stupid), this means his reference points are from the 1996/1997 era, NOT current day rules and regulations
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I do hope this clarifies to your satisfaction
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In case you didn't realise / notice, Phil has an Escort COSWORTH that he is converting to Recce spec - not a Volvo
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OBVIOUSLY (for the stupid), this means his reference points are from the 1996/1997 era, NOT current day rules and regulations
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I do hope this clarifies to your satisfaction
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Also, the Recce cars are closer to the rally cars than a standard road car
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They are a little tweaked depending on the teams budget. But it's not such a big thing as you know.
Skoda got one nice recce car now
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Well I think you will find that Phil's suspension is off one of these sort of high budget cars...
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Mike I really know. My original point was agains Phil emphisiesing "WRC recce car".
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I am trying to replicate the recce car as its cheaper to do than WRC car
..Like Mike said still a monte spec but easily acheivable on my budget
...By the looks of it the recce car on the escos is far better than anything road going!
Cheers for the info..now how about photos of escos recce cars
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Cheers for the info..now how about photos of escos recce cars
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Worth the money....but the aint that special...in essence the recce cars are grp'n' rally cars.....how a WRC steering arm can be used on a grp'n' hub is a mystery to me.....I have seen one of these cars when it was purchased from the GSE ....very nice cars...they will be on a P8 with pectel board....from memory i think they were on 3.9 diffs....
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Contact george@howford-hydraulics.co.uk for pictures of this ex-Mcrae Recce car...
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By the way, they only want Ł14,500 for it with spares
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By the way, they only want Ł14,500 for it with spares
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Also the pics show the bare minimum of advertising (stickers) is this typical of recce cars?
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i built most of the spooner recce cars when was running the recce team for them,, i have the original recce build sheets here if it help sort it out for you ??
ATM SPORT LTD
VEHICLE SPECIFICATION SHEET
VEHICLE: JOB NO. DATE:
ESCORT COSWORTH GRP N
2144 1 / 12
EVENT
TARMAC / GRAVEL
DRIVER
ITALIAN GRAVEL CHAMPIONSHIP
GRAVEL FABIO
ENGINE SPEC NO. MTC140
GEARBOX SPEC NO. MT75 CLOSE RATIO
CENTRE DIFF 50NM VC 3.9 DROP GEARS
FRONT AXLE THICK WALL 3.6
REAR AXLE 180NM VC 3.9
SPECIFICATION FRONT REAR
SUSPENSION TRACK OHLINS BILSTIEN
DAMPER RATE/DIAMETER B 12 --- R 24 350 / 130
DAMPER BODY 50MM
SPRING 42NM X 340 30-35-50 NM
SPRING HELPER 60-50-60
BUMP RUBBER LENGTH (mm) 60MM 50MM
BUMP RUBBER DIAMETER (mm)
BUMP RUBBER SPACERS (mm)
A.R.B. 26MM SIERRA 18MM SIERRA
A.R.B. BLADE POSITION
CAMBER -2 - 1
CASTOR 3
TOE IN (mm) 2MM 3MM
RIDE HEIGHT (mm) 235MM 245MM
BRAKE DISC STD STD
BRAKE CALIPER STD STD
BRAKE MASTER CYLINDER ABS ABS
BRAKE PAD MATERIAL CARBON CARBON
HANDBRAKE MASTER CYLINDER
CLUTCH AP PADDLE
CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER CABLE
WHEELS 7 X 15 OZ 7 X 15 OZ
TYRES
TYRE PRESSURES 1.8 BAR 1.8 BAR
ATM SPORT LTD
VEHICLE SPECIFICATION SHEET
VEHICLE: JOB NO. DATE:
ESCORT COSWORTH GRP N
2144 1 / 12
EVENT
TARMAC / GRAVEL
DRIVER
ITALIAN GRAVEL CHAMPIONSHIP
GRAVEL FABIO
ENGINE SPEC NO. MTC140
GEARBOX SPEC NO. MT75 CLOSE RATIO
CENTRE DIFF 50NM VC 3.9 DROP GEARS
FRONT AXLE THICK WALL 3.6
REAR AXLE 180NM VC 3.9
SPECIFICATION FRONT REAR
SUSPENSION TRACK OHLINS BILSTIEN
DAMPER RATE/DIAMETER B 12 --- R 24 350 / 130
DAMPER BODY 50MM
SPRING 42NM X 340 30-35-50 NM
SPRING HELPER 60-50-60
BUMP RUBBER LENGTH (mm) 60MM 50MM
BUMP RUBBER DIAMETER (mm)
BUMP RUBBER SPACERS (mm)
A.R.B. 26MM SIERRA 18MM SIERRA
A.R.B. BLADE POSITION
CAMBER -2 - 1
CASTOR 3
TOE IN (mm) 2MM 3MM
RIDE HEIGHT (mm) 235MM 245MM
BRAKE DISC STD STD
BRAKE CALIPER STD STD
BRAKE MASTER CYLINDER ABS ABS
BRAKE PAD MATERIAL CARBON CARBON
HANDBRAKE MASTER CYLINDER
CLUTCH AP PADDLE
CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER CABLE
WHEELS 7 X 15 OZ 7 X 15 OZ
TYRES
TYRE PRESSURES 1.8 BAR 1.8 BAR
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96/97 who cares
Pon i really think you are ahead of Chip in the knob award now
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At the end of the day, you're trying to replicate a recce car - what the fuck for?
They're nothing special in the slightest. They're about as far removed from the WRC car they recce for as you could possibly hope for. In most cases, it's a Group N Escort Cosworth with a few bits thrown on for added measure.
A lot of the recce cars will also be used for press/demonstration stuff, as often they look similar.
However, in the case of the 97/98 Escort WRC recce cars, from what I understand, they were just plain Group N cosworths. In fact, they had no livery, so best you rip all the stickers off
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Originally Posted by Spiky
i THINK colin mcrae had a recce esc cos,
but it was caged buckets and standard spoilers.
it even had ohlins
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but it was caged buckets and standard spoilers.
it even had ohlins
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I so want the rs 200 for sale
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Cheers mk2tim..thanks alot
I note the interior is not to badly stripped using standard speaker door panels and retaining the heater!
Pon you have no idea have you?..All you do is try and judge other people trying to make a car that THEY want.Just like the Ferrari thread once...your jealousy shines thru yet again...Maybe in future try to help instead of constantly mocking,you are a fine chap...but you say MY internet attitude sucks...take a look in the mirror!!!
I am trying to acheive a car that is comfortable for road use but is able to be driven on a rally stage in the mid 90's.
Could anyone tell me from a 96/97 perspective what a rally car MUST have and what it COULDNT have? (recce style!)
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Pon you have no idea have you?..All you do is try and judge other people trying to make a car that THEY want.Just like the Ferrari thread once...your jealousy shines thru yet again...Maybe in future try to help instead of constantly mocking,you are a fine chap...but you say MY internet attitude sucks...take a look in the mirror!!!
I am trying to acheive a car that is comfortable for road use but is able to be driven on a rally stage in the mid 90's.
Could anyone tell me from a 96/97 perspective what a rally car MUST have and what it COULDNT have? (recce style!)
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Could anyone tell me from a 96/97 perspective what a rally MUST have and what it COULDNT have?
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I told you about your piece of shit mudflaps and you shot me down in flames, so I'll mock all the fuck I like.
I certainly aint taking internet bulletin board etiquette advice from you Phil - that's like taking safe sex advice from a paedophile!
Oh, and I'm not jealous - I actually have a proper motorsport car. I'm not trying to replicate ANYTHING. Maybe you're jealous!
All I'm doing is questioning you - how do you expect to achieve comfort from a rally car? I also have plenty of "idea" - I've actually been rallying, and have lived it and breathed it, all at a young age.
Maybe you're just fake - all the look, and none of the substance
I certainly aint taking internet bulletin board etiquette advice from you Phil - that's like taking safe sex advice from a paedophile!
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Oh, and I'm not jealous - I actually have a proper motorsport car. I'm not trying to replicate ANYTHING. Maybe you're jealous!
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All I'm doing is questioning you - how do you expect to achieve comfort from a rally car? I also have plenty of "idea" - I've actually been rallying, and have lived it and breathed it, all at a young age.
Maybe you're just fake - all the look, and none of the substance
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Pon.......heater is a comfort...the ride is lovely and thats on proper suspension....so i have it all now...the rest can go out the window as seats and harneses are fine as is door bars.
You only seen a pic of the flaps...and yet again you are so cool you can judge from your chair
Lets wait and see wether 35 quid for 909 parts transpire to be bin material...good gamble IMO.
You have a proper motorsport car?The one you was selling now not...attension seeking aswell
My God i have taught you well
You only seen a pic of the flaps...and yet again you are so cool you can judge from your chair
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You have a proper motorsport car?The one you was selling now not...attension seeking aswell
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I did learn from the best Phil, but I might actually finish this project
As for 909 parts, you don't have a clue! I've got 909 stuff I've thrown in the bin! I also have the complete 909 parts listing here, so I know what's what!
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As for 909 parts, you don't have a clue! I've got 909 stuff I've thrown in the bin! I also have the complete 909 parts listing here, so I know what's what!