daveugc

hi can anyone tell me were to get the plate so i can run an efi inlet manifold to mfi head thanks alot D ave

vroooom ptssssh

off the top of my head i think PhilM sells them

BillyCabrio

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Jano Oddkid?

vroooom ptssssh

yea janno aswell, sure he'd be able to help

JAMSPORT

dont do it change the head aswell

Versus_Creations

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hWhy would you want or need to do that???


Cost of parts roughly to change head:-

Price of EFI head???
Head gasket Ł30
Head bolts Ł15
Inlet and exhaust gaskets Ł15
Oil Ł30
Antifreeze Ł10
Cam belt Ł13

+ The head will need to be cleaned at the least.... rebuilt would be nice!

LABOUR! ?? To change heads?

What is better about the EFi head?

Some MFi heads have better parts inside!

How about if you have a worked MFi head i.e ported and polished etc.. Whats the point of taking that off?

Loads of other reasons!

JAMSPORT

thats the price you have to pay to do the job right

or mod the mfi inlet to take the injectors

using a plate will not flow right without lots of work matching the ports

so the power you may gaine with a efi system could be lost by a missmatch of the ports

Anonymous

im pretty sure unless im mistaken which a lot of the time i am PMSL but i think jano knows what he's talking about

JAMSPORT

i didnt say that he does not know what he is talking about, but I myself have tunned by far more RS turbos than Jano...

Just sharing my experiane with others

Versus_Creations

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How would you know that? who cares!

The point is that the conversion plates are made to the exact size of the gaskets! If you have a Major ported and polished worked head the convertor plate will still be 100% I have fitted EFi to engines with and without the conversion plate. It makes no difference to power!

JAMSPORT

I dont care I just do what I do and you do what you do....


the port shaps are differant.. and will not match 100%

I've also tried tham and they are not 100% efficiant, (Yes they do work but not to maxinum efficancy) just my experiance

Versus_Creations

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But a shonky MFi inlet with injectors stuffed in will work to the maximum flow?

How are the port shapes different? When have you checked one of my plates? On whos car? Proof ?

JAMSPORT

jano are you always right

is it not possible that i could have a point in wat i have posted

just my own experance rst,s for the last 15 years

Versus_Creations

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[quote="Jano_OddKidd"]As above?

Versus_Creations

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+ I dont like to sound bitchy

How many of MY customers cars have you taken MY components off and replaced with yours?

Would you like me to list the cars i have had from your neck of the woods?







would you like me to post pics of your precision made items.




















Goodnight im off to kip

JAMSPORT

so jano are you always right

where the injector is for a start and no i have not seen one of you plates

i was just saying that it wolud be a better way to change the head or mod the mfi inlet rather than a plate witch is a compremise

Versus_Creations

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SO HOW CAN YOU MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON HOW IT DOES NOT FLOW!

Please do not be put off by this post as obviously Jambo has other things on his mind and has lost his way and ended up on this topic

JAMSPORT

i dont want to ether i have had jobs that you have done thats he way of the trade

i am just trying to give my view on wat was asked

JAMSPORT

[quote="JAMBO"]so jano are you always right

Versus_Creations

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IMO your view was wrong and off putting to not only myself to other people and customers. + Without any proof, you made wild statments about flow rates on items you have not checked or tested.

If you have this much experiance surely you would know better than to just splurt out anything that comes into your head. ?

Versus_Creations

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If im not right i will not comment on somthing i know nothing about!

I learn just as everyone does everyday and everynight!

JAMSPORT

so jano are you always right

JAMSPORT

i was just saying that there could be a better way of doing the job than a plate do you run a plate on your car

Versus_Creations

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I lose at Poker every now and then so i spose i cant be right every time.

What sort of question is that anyway? Why you repeating it?

I told you, that if im not right i wont comment on the subject what ever it is at the time!

Go back to a useful conversation on how MFi manifolds flow better, and how spending 10times what you need to spend does the customer a favour....

I did wonder how you find the money to build such an extravagant motor???

I spose its your good sense of judgment that caused your customers to spend their money in the right places and help you build your monster

Versus_Creations

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No becuase i had the choice to start with, as i built the car and engine i could choose any component/s to fit.


But some people do not have that choice so you must include them! As these people are the ones which are important as you need to keep the costs down for them to be able to afford the EFi system after spending ŁŁŁŁŁ buying the car, insurance etc etc etc etc..

Versus_Creations

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O loookie you have 60posts

Looks like you have shared loads of experiance




Thanks for that im sure you helped us right out

JAMSPORT

sorry mate to bizzy tuning cars rather than sittin on forums posting allday

Versus_Creations

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Shame, you might of learnt something to be able to share with us.





In case you didnt notice its night time!

rsrob

THE RS DJ

This topic has got out of hand.

Jano does it his way and Jambo does it his way.

Strange that you dont run one yourself Jano?

If given the option then Jano, which way would you choose?

Obviously you chose not to run with it and that is the point Jambo is trying to put across, given the option, the head change or manifold mods is the better way.

Sticky.

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I though MFI made furniture

EssexMikeSi

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cheers for posting rsrob, i was wondering wen another name would pop up lol

big_wig_074

i have one of these plates lying around,was made my philM,dont need it,so give me a pm

TILLIO

I thought the idea of the mfi/efi adapter plates jano sells was for people that wanted to do a quick efi conversion without taking the head off, and saving a bit of money/time. Ł70 adapter, instead of another head/head bolts/headgasket/etc.............

Anyone can see what Jano's chooses not to use one on his own car, he has the time/knowledge to build up the engine propperly without having to use the adapter.

Horses for courses, if i wanted to efi an rs turbo, and the engine was in there and ran fine, i'd use the adapter. If the engine was out and being re-built then i would personally use the efi.

Does that make sense?

Oranoco

Oh dear, another post that's turned into war fare.

Think I'll just keep my MFi and not bother with EFi at all. It works and has proven itself. So why dick about with it

Ginge !

sorry to piss on the fire but can you explain how a efi head injector cut out is more free flowing considering it hits a wall after a inch

personally i mod the MFI head to take the injector to avoid the wall that it hits

as for plates being a bodge, well yes they are but its one that works and has been proven so not fair to look at it as if jano is sugesting fitting a bleed valve and just wack the boost up

think he deserves alot more credit than this site gives him tbh, i have personally NEVER heard of a customer of janos that slags off his work and feels like he aint looked after him

bottom line is if you have a 400 quid ported head in a 230bhp erst thats running fine

why start to unbolt head gaskets /cam timing when you dont need to ???

TILLIO

Agreed (although no doubt i'll get shot down in flames for saying that )

zetec-turbo

No he doesnt but I do with no problems

and whats with this Jano are you allways right question, noticed he'd answer it and you still asked it

I aint taking sides due to the fact I'm one of Jano's customers by the way just giving my point of view in that I think the plates are fine to use and would never recomend anyone not to consider it

Having seen these plates I KNOW that they are a perfect match with the gasket and ports with NO lips

I aint here to start a arguement just giving a customers opinion of these plates, and as above I think Jano gets slatted on here for no reason at times with people trying to make his work sound bad when it aint

I am very happy with what Jano has done to my car and all the others I've seen him work on and build from scratch, but then that my opinion which I'm not sure if I'm allowed to have on this site seeing as I have the name Odd Kidd Creations in my signiture

andre_k

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hmmmm.... jumping on jamies back when your janos customer...

it seems both ways work, i know what id rather do, but if the plates have worked fair enuff...

zetec-turbo

aint jumpin on no fellas back matey, just fed up with seeing Jano getting stick all the time for trying to be helpful