RR Graph from a Stage 3 Cossie wanted - Circa 350bhp
24-10-2005, 08:01 PM
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RR Graph from a Stage 3 Cossie wanted - Circa 350bhp
As title....
Graph with Spec of car (and approx. cost).
Posted here please. Would like one for inclusion in an article on ScoobyNet.
Graph with Spec of car (and approx. cost).
Posted here please. Would like one for inclusion in an article on ScoobyNet.
24-10-2005, 09:33 PM
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Here is Jim Green's, was 326bhp at Nobles with close to 30 degrees outside. Lost around 15bhp due to the hot weather according to operator.
Was supposed to be there myself with same setup but better IC but car was not finished in time. Still gutted about this
Was supposed to be there myself with same setup but better IC but car was not finished in time. Still gutted about this
24-10-2005, 09:44 PM
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24-10-2005, 10:05 PM
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Ok.... forget the stage 3 (as Cossies are obviously struggling - joke - ).... anybody with a graph for power circa 350-360bhp (on a cossie) with a list of mods and costs.
Matt,
Mine never made 350bhp!
Rhys,
To compare Stage 1 mods on a Jap Spec C engine (I have just completed 6 months of testing on various Stage 1 stuff for the newage Scoob engines, warming up to Stage 2 next and then it's the big guns).... just a bit of fun for comparison (and show how far things have moved on with the Jap Crap!
)..... BUT mainly to highlight that peak figures mean jack when it comes to a road car. 
Matt,
Mine never made 350bhp!
Rhys,
To compare Stage 1 mods on a Jap Spec C engine (I have just completed 6 months of testing on various Stage 1 stuff for the newage Scoob engines, warming up to Stage 2 next and then it's the big guns).... just a bit of fun for comparison (and show how far things have moved on with the Jap Crap!
)..... BUT mainly to highlight that peak figures mean jack when it comes to a road car.
24-10-2005, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Andreas
Moved on with Jap Crap?
Does that mean they now use Belgian Chocolate for the pistons?
Does that mean they now use Belgian Chocolate for the pistons?
24-10-2005, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pugo
stage 3 for a 2wd is accepted as 300bhp whilst stage 3 for a 4b4 is accepted as 330bhp
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are you sure stage 1 - 260-280bhp
stage2 - 290-310bhp
stage3 - 320 - 350bhp
that's where i would guess the 'accepted' figures to be, proven is a whole different ball game but that's generally what people quote i reckon
maybe having mine on the rollers tomorrow, hoping for around 340- 350bhp
24-10-2005, 10:55 PM
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just finding my feet
stage 3 on a t3 should be upto and around 330bhp and stage 3 on a t34 ( so why is it still a stage 3 i wonder ) should be around the 350bhp mark in theory
2wd and 4wd make no odds at all as its the engines where refering too
2wd and 4wd make no odds at all as its the engines where refering too
24-10-2005, 11:42 PM
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how about the fact that a 2wd and 4wd have different t3 turbo's a 2wd has a different sized i/cooler to a 4wd and the inlet tracts are different as are the exhaust manifolds
so yes 2wd's and 4wd have different results from stage 3'ing them
so yes 2wd's and 4wd have different results from stage 3'ing them
25-10-2005, 07:36 AM
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Hybrid 4x4 turbo (60trim compressor, 360° thrust, 7° cut back blades - still a T3), standard engine (8:1 c/r). Figures are revs, torque, power and boost. I'm sure you can put that in graph format . Was real bhp to, as in my Sapphire was good enough for consistant high 12s / low 13s runs (with a best of 12.892 @ 111.06mph).
2510 200 97 9
3010 337 196 25
3520 380 258 31
4000 379 293 30
4510 355 308 27
5040 339 327 27
5550 316 337 25
6020 296 343 23
6520 269 338 21
6980 257 333 21
. Was real bhp to, as in my Sapphire was good enough for consistant high 12s / low 13s runs (with a best of 12.892 @ 111.06mph).2510 200 97 9
3010 337 196 25
3520 380 258 31
4000 379 293 30
4510 355 308 27
5040 339 327 27
5550 316 337 25
6020 296 343 23
6520 269 338 21
6980 257 333 21
25-10-2005, 08:43 AM
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just finding my feet
20 psi on a t3 and bd10's
what a wierd combination to have
ive seen just over 330bhp with the same spec ( ok a hybrid T3)
mine was with 27psi, bd10's, 500 cooler, t34 and a mildly ported head
oh and a that was before i fitted the tiger stripes too
what a wierd combination to have
ive seen just over 330bhp with the same spec ( ok a hybrid T3)
mine was with 27psi, bd10's, 500 cooler, t34 and a mildly ported head
oh and a that was before i fitted the tiger stripes too
25-10-2005, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jaycos
aint seen many cossie go past 340 bhp with a t34 or not mine see 295 bhp 317lb at 6200rpm @20psi on a t3 ,803s escy chargecooler and bd10s
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eh?not seen past 340 with a t34? mine was WELL past that,its a 400 odd bhp turbo (.63 is anyway!) my only rolling road session (with a missfire,bloody crappy non ford leads!
so couldnt rev over 6500) showed 371bhp at the flywheel (circa 300 at the wheels) on a t34.63sure theres plenty more out there over 340 with t34s
would include my graph,but it was a badly running 400bhp engine,so spec would look ridiculous next to the graph!
25-10-2005, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Shaun,
Power would not be affected too much, but the c/r would need to be dropped to 7.8:1.
Power would not be affected too much, but the c/r would need to be dropped to 7.8:1.
If thats the case, why isnt your T3 conversion the one to go for?!?
25-10-2005, 01:40 PM
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eh?not seen past 340 with a t34? mine was WELL past that,its a 400 odd bhp turbo (.63 is anyway!) my only rolling road session (with a missfire,bloody crappy non ford leads! so couldnt rev over 6500) showed 371bhp at the flywheel (circa 300 at the wheels) on a t34.63
sure theres plenty more out there over 340 with t34s
would include my graph,but it was a badly running 400bhp engine,so spec would look ridiculous next to the graph
P.S. I must use your engine dyno..... would make my engine even more impressive!
) and b)because he was using that funny fuel they called 98ron! Mike,
If the fuel doesnt make that much difference, I would like to know (as I am sure others would) how you managed to get 350bhp/380lbft on a T3 on a totally standard engine....... running at 2bar!!
P.S. I must use your engine dyno..... would make my engine even more impressive!
25-10-2005, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
25-10-2005, 03:30 PM
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Shaun,
Can't you read, it only made 343bhp - that's as close as I could get to your figure. The torque is down to the massive boost spike . Not my fault chocolate engines have to run a flat boost cure to save the rods / pistons / crank 
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Rick,
It CLEARLY has the boost figures beside the rpm and even a blind man could see it drops to 21psi at 7k . It only spikes at 31 psi in the mid-range .
Can't you read, it only made 343bhp - that's as close as I could get to your figure
. The torque is down to the massive boost spike . Not my fault chocolate engines have to run a flat boost cure to save the rods / pistons / crank .Rick,
It CLEARLY has the boost figures beside the rpm and even a blind man could see it drops to 21psi at 7k
. It only spikes at 31 psi in the mid-range .
25-10-2005, 03:37 PM
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[quote="jaycos"]
eh?not seen past 340 with a t34? mine was WELL past that,its a 400 odd bhp turbo (.63 is anyway!) my only rolling road session (with a missfire,bloody crappy non ford leads! so couldnt rev over 6500) showed 371bhp at the flywheel (circa 300 at the wheels) on a t34.63
sure theres plenty more out there over 340 with t34s
would include my graph,but it was a badly running 400bhp engine,so spec would look ridiculous next to the graph
As I said, if your conversion achieved these figures with the low lag associated with a T3, why on earth do people stick with these piece of shIt T34/5's on Stage 3 conversions!
Christ.... if I knew these figures were achievable on a T3 with a standard engine, I would of *downgraded* my turbo at the time!
I wonder why nobody advised me of that at the time! Mike.... your a legend!
25-10-2005, 05:35 PM
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Shaun,
This was LIVE mapped, not a shonky off the shelf chip, so was pushed to the absolute limit of det with ignition advance / boost / fuelling and then just pulled back from the det point at very rpm increment to make it safe.
It produced the numbers on the track and the black stuff doesn't lie.
This was LIVE mapped, not a shonky off the shelf chip, so was pushed to the absolute limit of det with ignition advance / boost / fuelling and then just pulled back from the det point at very rpm increment to make it safe.
It produced the numbers on the track and the black stuff doesn't lie
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