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Old 11-10-2005, 10:25 AM
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Need a new toy.... so thinking of one of these

I have however ZERO knowledge of them or even what models there are lol

Can anyone point me in the right direction? just after something to play with at the weekends.

Any good ones? or ones to avoid?



ta
Old 11-10-2005, 10:31 AM
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You are so gonna fall off and injure yourself
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thats exactly the plan dude

it was either one of these or a Kart.... but i just dont think the kart would get used that much , whereas ive got miles of dirt and woodland round the back of ours
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depends how much your looking to spend ?
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about a grand i suppose.... as Rich says, im gonna fall off

Dont wanna spend loads, its just gonna be for some off road fun
Old 11-10-2005, 10:39 AM
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You can come and use my kart when I go, so no need to worry about that
Old 11-10-2005, 10:41 AM
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Woo!! Cheers dude think ive been without my car TOOOOOOO long, am itching to get in/on something and scare myself silly
Old 11-10-2005, 10:42 AM
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Well Sunday we should be able to get busy hopefully
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hopefully was still in thick yellow primer when i saw it on sat



So, anyone know what models of trials bikes there are?
Old 11-10-2005, 10:51 AM
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I used to have a GasGas and Fantic

Model that i can remember of the top of my head...

GasGas
Fantic
Montesa
Beta

http://www.motomerlin.co.uk/
Old 11-10-2005, 10:53 AM
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cheers, are they the manufacturers of the bike?
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Depends on size of track your riding on mate more fun with a dirt bike. How big and heavy are you?
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Daveyboy, Yes, are you looking for trial bikes or motorcross bikes ?

You know there designed for 2 different jobs ?
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my mate/neighbour has a 400cc dirt bike he scared himself too much on it, and this is a bloke who has had a fireblade, vtr sp1, 350-400 bhp cossies so don't think you want one o them.
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Originally Posted by Adam_BlackRS
Daveyboy, Yes, are you looking for trial bikes or motorcross bikes ?

You know there designed for 2 different jobs ?
just looking for something to take over the woods and tear the arse out of really... probably the wrong word to use, but when i was a kid they used to be called scramblers...

im 5'11" and about 12 stone

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Originally Posted by peters500
my mate/neighbour has a 400cc dirt bike he scared himself too much on it, and this is a bloke who has had a fireblade, vtr sp1, 350-400 bhp cossies so don't think you want one o them.
cheers for the advice.... i'll bear it in mind! but i think im more than capable of deciding what i want on my own, ta
Old 11-10-2005, 11:06 AM
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If youve never had one by a 125cc scrambler deffo scare yourself iv raced motocross for about 20 years and they still make me smile
Old 11-10-2005, 11:08 AM
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sounds just what im after mate... just want something to have a laugh and a buzz on, doesnt have to be the fastest or most expensive... just want that smile

any recommendations on first one?
Old 11-10-2005, 11:11 AM
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You want a scrambler.... dirt bike/motorcrosser then

Trial bikes are mainly used for slow, controlled balance manoeuvres, jumps over logs/rocks and steep hills
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cool.... any recommendations ?

Sorry, i dont have a clue where to start though... honda, kawasaki, yamaha? or would basically any 125 scrambler do the job?


cheers for help though
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Aye mate there's a few try autotrader do national search. You want a jap built bike for parts and reliability. Suzuki RM, Kawasaki KX, Honda CR, Yamaha YZ are all great bikes and are pretty bomb proof my choice for first bike would be RM or YZ for a grand your gona get a pretty new one maby 3-4-5 years old depends on what its been used for. I ride the 500cc now but the 125's are like unguided missiles when you first get on them
Old 11-10-2005, 11:24 AM
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superb!! cheers dude!


loving the sound of riding an unguided missile
Old 11-10-2005, 11:31 AM
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ive been in few big power cars one with 750bhp and there's still no feeling like it mate. Scrablers are fookin ace
Old 11-10-2005, 11:33 AM
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Well worth getting into it mate, best thing i done, u do get anoyed with it at times it's a lot of money and u have bad days.

Yeah one of the big jap four would be the best, stay off the KTM and other euro bikes.

Starting out u will need about £1500 for a 1999-2001 bike obviously u want to buy on condition not age. saty of the old suzuki's pre 1998 2 storkes since these arn't the best but thier new stuff's pretty good, also u'll want atleast a £1000 per season for entries, breakages, tyres ect, Bikes are a piece of piss to work on if u get any problems just ask.

THERE u go the old yamaha in peices after the con-rod snapped and whent through the barrel. (work shops a bit messy)



IF u'r looking for realiability HONDA'S are dame good (especially for four strokes)but i find that KAWASAKI seem to be build a bit better with thicker metals for this the bike weighs about 5 KGS more but there a lot better with dealing with big crashes. if i was u and u wanted a four stroke i would go with a new as possible since its a four stroke try and get a HONDA or a KAWASAKI KXF 250 (SUZUKI four stroke RMZ 250's are made by KAWASAKI so one of these would do aswell). if u wanted a 2 stroke again the kawasaki 1999 are good the 2002 where good but the suspenstion was a bit shit but the 2003 - 2004 kawasaki are really good and the 05 kawasaki is a beast. Yamaha 2 strokes are pretty good even thought i never got on with the suspention, the honda 2 stroke are ok aswell but i would rather have a kawasaki over one.


Soon u'll be gaining some qaulity AIR
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Oh Dear Lord. One flippant remark on an email and look what's happened!?

What have I started
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get yourself a cr250 yz250 kx250 all good bikes for a grand you want to be looking at 96 onwards
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Originally Posted by motherhupit
Well worth getting into it mate, best thing i done, u do get anoyed with it at times it's a lot of money and u have bad days.

Yeah one of the big jap four would be the best, stay off the KTM and other euro bikes.

Starting out u will need about £1500 for a 1999-2001 bike obviously u want to buy on condition not age. saty of the old suzuki's pre 1998 2 storkes since these arn't the best but thier new stuff's pretty good, also u'll want atleast a £1000 per season for entries, breakages, tyres ect, Bikes are a piece of piss to work on if u get any problems just ask.

THERE u go the old yamaha in peices after the con-rod snapped and whent through the barrel. (work shops a bit messy)



IF u'r looking for realiability HONDA'S are dame good (especially for four strokes)but i find that KAWASAKI seem to be build a bit better with thicker metals for this the bike weighs about 5 KGS more but there a lot better with dealing with big crashes. if i was u and u wanted a four stroke i would go with a new as possible since its a four stroke try and get a HONDA or a KAWASAKI KXF 250 (SUZUKI four stroke RMZ 250's are made by KAWASAKI so one of these would do aswell). if u wanted a 2 stroke again the kawasaki 1999 are good the 2002 where good but the suspenstion was a bit shit but the 2003 - 2004 kawasaki are really good and the 05 kawasaki is a beast. Yamaha 2 strokes are pretty good even thought i never got on with the suspention, the honda 2 stroke are ok aswell but i would rather have a kawasaki over one.


Soon u'll be gaining some qaulity AIR
Dude he only has a grand read above post.
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Cola - I refer you to the second post of the thread
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oh and get good boots
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Originally Posted by bigbobby
ive been in few big power cars one with 750bhp and there's still no feeling like it mate. Scrablers are fookin ace
Well here's the figures mate a 250 2 stroke weighs around 94 Kgs and has a max power of about 58-62 HP so that's 0.65HP per KG compared to say a 600Hp farrari weighing around 1600Kgs will have a power to weight ratio of only 0.37 so to get the same power to weight ratio (acceration) of the bikes u would need a car of over 1000Hp and only weighing about 1400Kgs and best off all u're sat on top of it, for instance i can pull away on my 250 2 stroke in fourth gear and still hit 60 in about 6 secs.
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is that you in the pics?
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Originally Posted by Joris_FRST
oh and get good boots
100% buy boots and a helmet nothing else realy matters but i know a guy whos career was end from not wearing boots the peg went straight through his ankle plus trying to kick start these bikes with trainers on is a killer
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Cola - Pon .... Do one



everyone else.... spot on, cheers for all info!

Just to say though, that i wasnt looking to get into it and race or do anything competitively... just go out and break a few bones at the weekend was my plan
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lol @ pom.. may I refer you to my email

"Why not a moto or a mud bike? Then you can have fun, go fast AND hurt yourself lol xxx"
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Originally Posted by motherhupit
Originally Posted by bigbobby
ive been in few big power cars one with 750bhp and there's still no feeling like it mate. Scrablers are fookin ace
Well here's the figures mate a 250 2 stroke weighs around 94 Kgs and has a max power of about 58-62 HP so that's 0.65HP per KG compared to say a 600Hp farrari weighing around 1600Kgs will have a power to weight ratio of only 0.37 so to get the same power to weight ratio (acceration) of the bikes u would need a car of over 1000Hp and only weighing about 1400Kgs and best off all u're sat on top of it, for instance i can pull away on my 250 2 stroke in fourth gear and still hit 60 in about 6 secs.
It was a mr2 stripped for drag racing which wheelies in second not a slow as ferrari
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Originally Posted by Daveyboy
Cola - Pon .... Do one



everyone else.... spot on, cheers for all info!

Just to say though, that i wasnt looking to get into it and race or do anything competitively... just go out and break a few bones at the weekend was my plan
still get boots matey trust me
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If u only got a grand u'll be after a pre-1996 Yamaha 250's where good then but ur best bet is probally honda's best 2 stroke ever was made in 1996 the Honda 250 2 stroke it had good power great handling very realible that's probally ur best bet, Suzuki's wern't the best back then unless their are look after well, Kawasaki's were very realibable back then aswell but looked a bit ugly

Here's some HONDA 2 stroke 250. GREAT BIKES
(they still had the steel frame back then and screwed up the handling for the first 3 years of making the alloy frame so it's a good bike to get)





Heres a pretty standard one

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Check the bikes on Ebay

I sold my RM 250 (1994) on there for £780 It was pretty tidy with new plastics

Something similar will be plenty to start with Dont you reckon lads?

But best advice is make sure its locked up well & chained to the floor.
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Originally Posted by bigbobby
Originally Posted by motherhupit
Originally Posted by bigbobby
ive been in few big power cars one with 750bhp and there's still no feeling like it mate. Scrablers are fookin ace
Well here's the figures mate a 250 2 stroke weighs around 94 Kgs and has a max power of about 58-62 HP so that's 0.65HP per KG compared to say a 600Hp farrari weighing around 1600Kgs will have a power to weight ratio of only 0.37 so to get the same power to weight ratio (acceration) of the bikes u would need a car of over 1000Hp and only weighing about 1400Kgs and best off all u're sat on top of it, for instance i can pull away on my 250 2 stroke in fourth gear and still hit 60 in about 6 secs.
It was a mr2 stripped for drag racing which wheelies in second not a slow as ferrari
They are fooking ace there no feeling like comeing up to a big jump with a real steep face and u know if u give i a bit too much throttle ur'll ganna over clear it by a long way. and if u slip and give it full throttle its ganna hert.

If u havn't ridden motocross bikes there nothing like it the power is instant not like a car where u got to wait for it, just instant power, i used mine on the road a bit and there deadly even not moving the throttle they still step out in corners becasue they are not smooth, just raw power.
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those bikes look as... looking on Ebay now


oh, and i WILL get some boots


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