Franco

iTrader: (2)

Not only is every fooking pertol station's rammed The escorts bloody playing up

Now i know why so many people flogging thier beloved RS's.........

H E E L L P P !

Right when i got back went to fire her up, she revved to just under 2k which was odd then died. No coughing, splurting, just switched off!

Tried it again & the same outcome, so trying holding the rev's and taking her fo a drive. In first she starts to come on boost then seems to struggle with fuel starvation! The gauge shows just under the quarter tank mark, but never had a problem like this before with this amount of juice(not unless i give it some on a roundabout etc).

So checked under the bonnet for any loose wires, connections etc........Nope all seem fine.

Think it might be related to the clifford alarm or that poxy vecta immobiliser fitted to them!!

Anybody had the same experience's?

Its cutting out all the time, seems to be around the 10-15 second mark once started...........I'm baffled?????

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

Does the VECTA led stay green ???

Mine did the same but when it cut out, the VECTA led went red or went out completely !

Filled up with some petrol once and couldnt restart the car. Took me 4 hours to bypass the fooker

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Was it easy to sort Si?

Or did you remove the vecta completely? Can't remember if the light was on or not, just a weird one!

Its like i'm shutting off the ignition......................

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Anybody else want to add their 2 shillings worth??

Richie Russ

Mine kept cutting out too and found it to be a broken wire, so worth checking the loom if you can.

Franco

iTrader: (2)

I've got a mate coming round tomorrow morning to try and find the fault.

Its got to be either the alarm or the immobilser at fault................I hope!

Starts up fine, runs then just shuts down like i'm turning the key off. Then the pump rearms itself, has 9-15 sec's of running & dies............then repeats the process again & again!

I give up!!

ARRRG!!

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

When it dies, does the rev counter drop like a stone ?

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Yes it does Simon...................Why do you think it could be something else??

Franco

iTrader: (2)

But if you driving it when it trys to cut out, its drop the rev counter then picks up again.

But as soon as she starts to idle she'll shut down.

Damo V

surely if you are able to drive it / give it revs past the said 15 seconds, it must be something other than the immob?? you are saying it only dies at idle yeah? but when driving it splutters and holds back... Is that not a CPS fault, have you removed those multiplug things under the bonnet vent by power steering pot... Been alot of rain lately has the car been inside or out??

Franco

iTrader: (2)

The cars been out side while i've been away, not too sure what the weathers been like here TBH.

As i say if you can keep the rev's high enough she'll drive but as you say she'll die at idle........

If its the multiplug that i'm thinking of near the coil, its alreay been sorted out (all bullit connected up!) as i had a problem with the car going into limp mode.

My old man was using it for work as i needed an empty tank for the fuel pump change, he said on the way to work one evening it backfired coming up the sliproad off the M25, then it was ok.

Once he'd finished his shift, he started it drove up to the entrance of work & it died. It kept doing it all the way home!

I'm miffed to it all, this car starting to become an expense i don't need right now

Damo V

Thats cossie ownership mate, does indeed sound electrical, might be worth getting vecta taken out as a matter of course.... in fact just buy a nice new pectel loom, that'll kill 2 birds etc

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

Ifthe VECTA key led is still green and this happens, This COULD be a classic CRANK sensor fault !!!

Damo V

Also, I would solder the loom where you currently have bullet connectors mate...

Damo V

Thats Me and Simon who suspects "the most common" fault on a cossie engine, especially considering recent weather, might be worth a shot for the cake of 30 quid..

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Sorry Damo my mistake it was soldered! By Mark @ Grove

Right the key light sometimes doesn't even light up I'll have some grub and try it in the dark! If not i think i'll have the VECTA shite ripped out!

Is there any other way of checking the crank case sensor apart from buying a new one? Also where the fugg is it!!

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Best get my arse down to fords then in the morning!

Damo V

as said might be worth having vecta ripped out anyway, its getting old now, nothing worse than it letting you down FULL STOP at some stage

RS ONION

check your fuel lines???if theres a blockage thats wot it will do .

Franco

iTrader: (2)

I'll check out the lines also tomorrow.....................

So is the crank sensor the plug on a bracket angled up to the bottom crank pulley? With a wire running up to the dizzy cap?

Thinking about the fuel lines, i'm betting its not that as it still starts and drives...........

Will Ford have them in stock Damo??

Damo V

Doubt ford will stock it, might be better off ringing stu or the like, yes its the sensor you described, look in my profile for thread titled TDC problems or something, better pics there mate

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

Dont buy from FORD, you will need a mortgage !!!

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Better bell Stu in the morning then!! or have a ring around!

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Found the post Damo, one question...................

How the hell do you gap it to the pulley!!!!! Please remember my vast experience on engines

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Right have changed the crank sensor today, checked the gapping (30 Thou) and it still isn't playing ball!

Spoke to Mike R earlier about all this, think he's now more baffled than i am! He mentioned checking the alternator wires to make sure that once it was kicking in, its was sending an electical spike to the ECU. But thats all ok.

Going to change the fuel pump tomorrow & fit a new filter in the morning just in case there is a blockage, but it seems very doubtful.............But we live in hope!

So if anybody else has any suggestions on this fault, please feel free!!

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

Try this,

(You need to be electrically minded)

1) Turn ignition off
2) Disconnect the ecu plug and remove the back cover of the ecu connector.
3) Plug ecu back in and start car.
4) Wait for it to cut out - DO NOT SWITCH IGNITION OFF
5) Measure the voltage (or use lamp) across the ecu power input (first 2 pins on
shorter row on cable side of plug - should be red and brown wire)
(pins 19 and 20)

This proves that the ecu still has power.

If so, link pins 1 and 28 (fuel pump should run without engine)

If this still works, try bump starting the car with help justin case it starts
(do NOT switch ignition after after it has failed)

I suspect the fact that the vecta lamp is playing up, it is that !!!

Get it removed before wasting anymore money as if it hasnt failed already - it will !

DaveEscos

sounds ign based.. deffo an alarm imob prob..

nothing else would cause the lot to shut down surely!

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Thanks Simon, just need to find a printer to copy all that tip down!

Yeah thats what i think/have been thinking all the time.............its got to be alam related!

Just gotta wait for one of the lads to get his arse round to rip the shite out.


Oh one other thing, if i leave the vecta fob in & turn it all off she'll lmake funny noises like the IGN or the pump's trying to start!!

el waffle

my mums merc had that problem. but after longish runs it didnt start at all it just turned over fast as fuck. lol

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Simon, have you got a diagram showing the pin layout handy, the first parts ok but if they're not numbered i don't want to fuck anything else up when i link up 1 & 28!

Thanks and i'll keep anyone who's interested posted!

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

The wider row of pins starts from PIN 1 from the loom entry end (ends at pin 18)
The smaller row of pins starts from PIN 19 from the loom entry end (ends at pin 35)

Pin 1 will be a LARGE BROWN WIRE (1st pin from loom end on large row)

Pin 28 is small blue (or blue.white) wire (10th pin from loom end on small row)

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Thanks Si, your joining a long list of people i have to buy a drink!

Damo V

yeah try simons idea, just a note, for those who dont do this day in and day out

to get the cover off ecu plug, just unscrew the little philips screw (remove rubber seal ) then slide black cover off its dead easy, and if you look closely you will see pin numbers on it, ,so as long as carefull you wont fudge it...

Jason I am going to PM you details on how to remove a WIPAC unit these replaced the VECTA units, Simon may know if the cuts are different between the two, or the same, if they are the same it wil help you (your mate) no end

As above though just get it ripped out

Franco

iTrader: (2)

Damian...............And everyone else.


Its sorted

That shonky old vecta alarms now making its way to the great big trash can in the sky & my baby starts!!!! Proper chuffed!

Big thanks to Damo & Simon (SECS) you've been total stars! Yes this is a big up post to them two!!

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

iTrader: (1)

Thanks, Glad its sorted