Sideways_Sierra

Which holds the higher penalty?

Is it dangerous driving or wreckless driving?

And also what are the penalties for each that you have had? Obviously it depends on how bad the offence was....


I was going form southend to basildon last night, and calmly undertook a motor on the a127, another sierra followed me.

then when i got into basildon we both got pulled up by marked old bill. Undercover had followed me and seen me undertake, but yet they were no where in sight when the marked car pulled me up ?!

Said theyre gonna consider me for prosecution for dangerous driving. The road was damn quiet and it wasnt a sudden jerk in and out of lanes, it was quite calm. Damn lane hogs!


Anyway, what am I potentially looking at?

Physio

Im sure it's a ban for both - not sure what the difference is though

Ginge !

missus got 7 points for it

think the min is 6 points, id like to say they have to prove it but,,,,,,,,,,, they dont give a shit in court

undertaking is dangerous driving we found out,,,,,,,, but they didnt bother witha speeding charge though so not all that bad ,,,,, well for the missus that is

Smit

iTrader: (5)

Call their bluff.........

You don't have to prove yourself innocent they have to prove you guilty.

dave cos4x4

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Undertaking

Would not have to if the car etc....would move fookin over!



Dave.

Ginge !

smit asmuch as i would DEFFO agree with ya,,,,,,,,,,, the road that we was acused of never even existed but then done us anyway

but depends on the court, tbh the missus was a little worse than undertaking on the A127

she was overtaking at speed then undertaking and driving in a bus lane aparantly at 11am in the morning in a built up area

but the road didnt exsist so they chose a road that sounds similer and then said that was the road and issued the fine

SteveB

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I got done for dangerous driving 12 years ago..... back then it carried a minumum 12 month ban and retake your driving test (extended test)

mmanse

If some one is road hogging and will not pull over i'm sure it is legal to under
take as long as the car that is hogging the outer lane is doing it for no reason!
i'e if they are not over taking car's and there are no other car's in front you are
approaching.

Ginge !

12 years ago ya had a extended driving test , thought when i got issued it back in 98 or 99 is was a new thing

was only a hour when i was made to do it then too, then as i waited a while i had to do the full 90 mins

SteveB

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It is ALWAYS illegal to undertake unless you are in very slow moving traffic...ie a traffic jam

A16XSO

dangrous driving is the highist driving offence bar death by dangerous driving. the judge told me 90% of dangerous drivers go to prision but ur in the 10% and u miss it by the skin off ur teeth. manly becasue it took them 14months from the date i commited the offence to the day it wos delt with in crown court.

so i got a years ban and 100 hours cominty service plus Ł115 fine, and odered to resit my test (both parts) witch is also an extended test were you hav to do all 5 manouvers

wreckless driving is just anther term they use for dangerous driving if i remmber correctly.

the main driving offences you can be charge with are

death by dangerous driving
dangerous driving
driving without due car and attention
driving without resonable consideraction to other road users


then theres other stuff like driving whilst disquaifled, driving with no insurance, without a lience etc....

Sideways_Sierra

Cheers guys, I best just sit and wait then

SteveB

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Forgot that I got community sevice as well.....

A16XSO

have you been charged yet, if u do and get found guilty of dangerous driving then the bear min u will get is a 12month ban and a fine, plus i think its compulsary u have to resit your test

good luck thou

Sideways_Sierra

Hi mate, read the post, I was pulled over last night.

Spax

Good Luck,get a decent lawyer,might help ya a bit

Ginge !

that i very very very much doubt mate, they take cicumstanses into acount too

shit my missus got 7 points for it

90% of people arrested dont even get prison, ya think there full of dangerous drivers

btw by sending top prison means ya dont get a fine so the would loose money aswell as fill the prisons with people indertaking whilst giving all the child molesters a suspended sentance


seriouslty would like to know what experience ya have on this matter


6 people on here have been done for it and most have got bans only 2 have recived points for it

NONE HAVE BEEN TO PRISON FOR IT

A16XSO

woops sorry,

they can arested you on the spot, and charge you back at the station arfter a interview of course.

Ginge !

wtf,,,,,,,,,,,, its a driving offence, not a criminal offence

have you REALLY been done for this before

A16XSO

im not saying 90% of people arrested go to prision, im sayin that the juge told me

"90% of dangerous drivers go to prision but ur in the 10% and u miss it by the skin off ur teeth." i was actully in the local et and they used that quote also

and thats 90% of dangerous drivers not 90% of people arrested.

i no they take your cicumstanses into acount too, but im only saying from my experiances

mmanse

It was my uncle who is a traffic cop that told me other wise!

it was a long time ago he told me and cant remember his exact word's but it was something along those line's, will have to pop round and ask

A16XSO

yes correct, well unless uve just been chased buy the police, witch they will aresst u for and take you back to the station and interview you and charge you.

oh and yes i have been done why would i lie, i have to paper work in my bedroom to prove.

Ginge !

thats nothing to do woth the charge of dangerous driving, like the way ya claiming it to be

you can be arrested if ya are stoped by a police officer and you can not prove who ya are, they have the right to arrest you untill your identity is confirmed, that means ya an be arrested for walking to tescos,,,,,,,,,,,, but dont mean that walking to tescos is a offence

and im not concerned if ya have been done for it, tbh its nothing to be proud of ( as i keep reminiding the missus ) but a thing to learn from


dont get caught

A16XSO

ok well im sorry if u got confused and could understand wat i was saying , i was just saying about my expericances and wat the judge told me.

now ur talking about some think else thats section 25

i agree

Ginge !

not another copper on here

if it is then i think they should deal with the force before they deal with the public as coppers speeding are just like drug dealers , they sell drugs yet dont take em

coppers nick speeders yet speed, should be much much much harsher penalties, cant enforce a law that ya dont follow ya self imo

now the personal opinion is over i have no issues with ya driving offences

A16XSO

no im not a copper i fooking hate them

i agree with wat ur saying one rule for them anther for us......

dont fink that drug dealer thing was the best to example to but it by thou


so were m8s now

Ginge !

was taking the piss on the mates bit

think the drug dealer is a ggood example, people who decide to buy drugs do so are the own choice, now when they get nicked there penalty aint the same as a drug dealers,,, also a drug dealer who sells drugs yet dont take em as there not good for him is the lowest form of scum, not only does he know care about what hes buying hes a hipocrate(sp) and deserves to be delt wioth in the worst posible way compared to a honest dealer

Sideways_Sierra

Do you know what the offences were m8? and how they got them?

Ginge !

cant remember the EXACT reasons but they wasnt undertaking like what ya discribed

did ya get a producer and also did ya get cautioned as i belive they have to do that or if they dont expect a invite to the old bills station toi "discuss" the matter

dont ignore it like we did

Sideways_Sierra

yeah got a producer mate, nice long lecture, then breathalised at the end, 2 cop cars and 4 coppers giving my saffy a good going over

she's all clean tho


yeah i got cautioned before he even said hello!!


What were the other guys doing? fishtailing down the M1 or summin ? and what did you ignore? the caution?

SS1

iTrader: (3)

agreed .i was on a three lane road under took 2 cars in the middle lane

was 2.45 sat night /sun am

saw the t5 behind me too late

just managed to get through the traffic lights and turn left ...

seen them jump the lights ..behind me I JUST STOPPED threw the hazards
on ...

he got out gave me down the banks ..GAVE ME A WALK OVER

said your the first sober driver ive pulled tonight ...

RESULT ..there not all bad ...BIKE COPPERS seem to be the worst ...

Ginge !

the driver at the time never got stopped, but the owner was invited to discus the matter, she decided that she couldnt be arsed

got a summons 4 months later for court

think the others was street racing and driving over 110mph, not totally sure but i promise they never got sent down

Sideways_Sierra

I'm not worried about getting sent down, just worried about the ban and points situ etc - I drive for a living you see, so no license = no living!!

i really have tidied up my driving now tho, no arse-ing it out round slippy roundabouts or owt!!

CarlRsT

Is it backed by video evidence?? Were u speeding whilst undertaking?? Was there 2coppers (if no vid)?? Does your producer have the offence box ticked??

frog

And do you think that if you had not undertaken that car - which was driving dangerously - it would have been pulled over ??????????


NO

Dave Henshall

i got done in 2001 , and it was a 12 months ban wth extended retest, no points, but a hefty fine also, and this was with not causing an accident, having any complaints, witnesses, only 1 copper , NO video evidence and a sh1t hot motoring solicitor

SteveB

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Thats where you are wrong....

Dangerous Driving (DD40) IS a criminal offence and you do end up with a criminal record..... I got arrested on the spot taken back to the station and interviewed.... Years later I was in court for summit else and got asked if I had a criminal record and I answered "no" as I didn't realise that DD was a criminal offence, they came back to me and pulled me up on the DD40 I had received 5 years earlier.

Dave Henshall

fraid so, DD40 is a criminal record, finger prints, DNA and mugshot all on record for a drivnig offence wheer nobody was injured, anything damaged and all for doing 71 in a 50.

yet about a month after a i got done, theat tw@t lee jones kills 3 after havnig a few beers, whilst on his phone and overtaking in a built up area (30 limit) and goes head on into the path of anoher car killing all the occupents,

life sentence....??!! no a without due car and attention and a 1500 quid fine, (500 per each person killed) 3 year ban but no retest or criminal record!!! what the FUK

The Rapid 1

THEORETICAL question

If I was driving along in the slow lane at say 69mph on the old cruise control and then caught Miss Daisy up in the overtaking lane doing say 60 mph and I sat just next to her rear bumper and adjusted my speed to exactly the same as hers (on cruise dont forget so more acurately going to maintain a speed than the other driver) then they realised they were in the wrong and started slowing down (cause they will never do over sixty cause that just dangerous ) then theoretically I also have to slow down to stop her from making me undertake her (soz ladies dont mean it gonna be female just i used the name Miss Daisy )

I KNOW it is the law no undertaking except in slow moving traffic

BUT they are slow moving according to speed limit and speeds of other road users if she is forcing you to slow down in the overtaking lane or adjust your speed down.

and if anything they should be the ones gettiing done for driving without due care or even the dangerous driving due to making other road users take AVOIDING action.


Dave Henshaw
I got caught doing 78 in a 50 by a van good pic an all
got a letter through TODAY from the fix penalty office place saying it too sever for them to deal with , so do you think I will be looking at this DD thing

Steve

timrud

You will be reported on summons for either dangerous driving, or driving without due care and attention.

Go not guilty then after a few hearings offer a plea to due care. Depends on the prosecution, but as yours seems boarderline if your telling us all it will more than likely be accepted.

Dangerous Driving is VERY serious, depending on your circumstances of the offence, and your criminal record you could well face prison for serious instances.

Carrys manditory 12 month ban and extended re-test as mentioned above.

Coppers love to band the words dangerous driving about when threatening you, don't worry until the summons pops through the door.