Cosworth Water flow??
15-08-2005, 11:27 AM
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Cosworth Water flow??
Ok, im going to use a laminova cooler i think to cool my oil rather than an air to air cooler
this is going to need a water feed so i was wondering if anyone could expalin the water system in a cos engine set up
ive thrown the below diagram together as i believe it to be?
can anyone confirm or correct?
i need a direct water route to tap in to
cheers
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this is going to need a water feed so i was wondering if anyone could expalin the water system in a cos engine set up
ive thrown the below diagram together as i believe it to be?
can anyone confirm or correct?
i need a direct water route to tap in to
cheers
Dave
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15-08-2005, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 3drstretch
This is more like it David. 
but i need a constant supply of water...
there is only a constant supply of water through the rad once the engine is up to temp yes??? ie when the thermostat opens?
15-08-2005, 11:58 AM
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Dave think of what the swirl pot does and where it is situated. 
Dave if your using an oil cooler can you not use the original modine water supply's.
There constant supply.
Dave if your using an oil cooler can you not use the original modine water supply's.
There constant supply.
15-08-2005, 12:03 PM
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monday morning brain freeze! 
stretch, neil... you both may have hit the nail bang on there!
anyone know out of the two pipes on the heat exchanger, which one is 'in' and 'out' ???
cheers!
stretch, neil... you both may have hit the nail bang on there!
anyone know out of the two pipes on the heat exchanger, which one is 'in' and 'out' ???
cheers!
15-08-2005, 12:11 PM
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i think the 1 that comes out of head would be the supply and then returning through the through the heater matrix.As this would seem the logical choice.As it heats up the oil to temperature b4 heating up the heaters in car.But you never know with ford.
15-08-2005, 12:25 PM
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seems fine to me now 
but listen to someone that knows what they are talkng about
you deffo keeping the water modine with the oil cooler as well then.
but listen to someone that knows what they are talkng about
you deffo keeping the water modine with the oil cooler as well then.
15-08-2005, 12:30 PM
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That looks cock on. 
Except you got the flow wrong as you got the feed for oil cooler coming from matrix.And i think it should be return to matrix.
Except you got the flow wrong as you got the feed for oil cooler coming from matrix.And i think it should be return to matrix.
15-08-2005, 12:35 PM
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i was wondering wejter to keep the modine or not... think if im using the laminova i dont need the modine... so if i removed it..
the feed from the head to the modine could go directly to the laminova instead.. and the return from the other end of the laminova could go direct to the feed to the matrix?
the feed from the head to the modine could go directly to the laminova instead.. and the return from the other end of the laminova could go direct to the feed to the matrix?
15-08-2005, 12:40 PM
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If you do it that way you wil have to make sure you warm car up b4 pegging it as oil will be cold for quite a while as the modine helps to heat up oil and stabilise the temperature of both water and oil
15-08-2005, 12:45 PM
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i just keep an eye on my oil temp gauge before i boot it (i am sure Dave has one too)
Dont forget the with daves set up the water will still heat the oil up to a point anyway so his should heat up quicker than a car that has no modine and a conventionl oil cooler
Dont forget the with daves set up the water will still heat the oil up to a point anyway so his should heat up quicker than a car that has no modine and a conventionl oil cooler
15-08-2005, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rsnissan
thats what i would do. i removed my modine all together and only have air-air oil cooler.
now go change your air filter
now go change your air filter
air filter is staying!
Stretch... i dont think anyone with a 6 grand engine ever cains it from cold !
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Originally Posted by rsnissan
thats what i would do. i removed my modine all together and only have air-air oil cooler.
now go change your air filter
now go change your air filter
air filter is staying!
Stretch... i dont think anyone with a 6 grand engine ever cains it from cold !
best i got online mate can upload some better ones if you want
15-08-2005, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Originally Posted by rsnissan
thats what i would do. i removed my modine all together and only have air-air oil cooler.
now go change your air filter
now go change your air filter
air filter is staying!
Stretch... i dont think anyone with a 6 grand engine ever cains it from cold !
But just like you to know all the facts.As i wouldn't want you coming back saying i gave it 5k launch from the school gates and it all went tits up cos oil was cold.
15-08-2005, 02:18 PM
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Mr nissan.. thats fine.... -10 i take it. Looks a tight squeeze.. any close ups would be great 
stretch.. school gates.. fook orf you lord!
stretch.. school gates.. fook orf you lord!
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Yes its a -10 and its fairly tight but not that bad, both of the 90 degree quip take offs actually run between the TPS and the Dizzy cap (which you wont have anyway ) I just didn't swung the other 90 degree take off round at the time of the pic.
This pic is to get an idea of with the hoses in situ.
Not sure if a 4x4 will have the same room around or not?
) I just didn't swung the other 90 degree take off round at the time of the pic.This pic is to get an idea of with the hoses in situ.
Not sure if a 4x4 will have the same room around or not?
15-08-2005, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 3drstretch
If you do it that way you wil have to make sure you warm car up b4 pegging it as oil will be cold for quite a while as the modine helps to heat up oil and stabilise the temperature of both water and oil
If you're running the pipes from the modine to the laminova cooler, the laminova is doing exactly the same job as the modine, only much more efficiently.
That's why laminvoas work so well, as they stabilise the oil re: the water temp very well...........
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Rich if you look at his last drawing which i commented on as you quoted he is taking the modine out of the equation as he is bypassing it.So the oil would not be heated in the same way.I see the laminova cooler would heat it similar but not as the modine would.READ b4 quoting please
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Why not then stretch?
The water to the modine is exactly the same as the water that's going to go the laminova cooler - same temperature etc, so why would it be any different?
The oil from cold will be heated by the exact same water as if the modine was there instead of the laminova - I fail to see any difference in the water heating properties...............
The water to the modine is exactly the same as the water that's going to go the laminova cooler - same temperature etc, so why would it be any different?
The oil from cold will be heated by the exact same water as if the modine was there instead of the laminova - I fail to see any difference in the water heating properties...............
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