saw two "stage 3" escort cossies on the rollers to
13-08-2005, 06:15 PM
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saw two "stage 3" escort cossies on the rollers to
as above saw them on the rollers at AVA today....anyone guess what power they made??
Must be a huge variance in different rollers as they produce massively diff figs than most people would think..
Must be a huge variance in different rollers as they produce massively diff figs than most people would think..
13-08-2005, 06:27 PM
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245! so thats about 290 at the fly
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
245! so thats about 290 at the fly
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
what it does prove is that you dont know how ava figures compare to elsewhere!
13-08-2005, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
245! so thats about 290 at the fly
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
what it does prove is that you dont know how ava figures compare to elsewhere!
was just seeing what other people thought
13-08-2005, 06:44 PM
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245! so thats about 290 at the fly
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
what it does prove is that you dont know how ava figures compare to elsewhere!
was just seeing what other people thought
i also watched my own car make 185 wheels on the same rollers but i have an ava print out of 235
rw's old escort - 195 @ ava, 171 @ nobles, both quoted 220 fly
you really trying to say standard escort cosworth transmission loses 45hp from fly to wheels @ 290 fly? sorry but thats utter rubbish
13-08-2005, 06:48 PM
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245! so thats about 290 at the fly
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
what it does prove is that you dont know how ava figures compare to elsewhere!
was just seeing what other people thought
i also watched my own car make 185 wheels on the same rollers but i have an ava print out of 235
rw's old escort - 195 @ ava, 171 @ nobles, both quoted 220 fly
you really trying to say standard escort cosworth transmission loses 45hp from fly to wheels @ 290 fly? sorry but thats utter rubbish
times that by two for an escort cossie
13-08-2005, 09:33 PM
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245! so thats about 290 at the fly
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
thats prob a good bit less than most people would expect but again prooves that a basic stage three is no where near 330 bhp
greens 25 psi on standard coolers
what it does prove is that you dont know how ava figures compare to elsewhere!
was just seeing what other people thought
i also watched my own car make 185 wheels on the same rollers but i have an ava print out of 235
rw's old escort - 195 @ ava, 171 @ nobles, both quoted 220 fly
you really trying to say standard escort cosworth transmission loses 45hp from fly to wheels @ 290 fly? sorry but thats utter rubbish
times that by two for an escort cossie
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13-08-2005, 09:34 PM
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AVA's rollers start a heated debate again
In all honesty, the figure don't matter. You should only use it as a benchmark.
Measure the difference from standard to stage 3 for example.
In all honesty, the figure don't matter. You should only use it as a benchmark.
Measure the difference from standard to stage 3 for example.
13-08-2005, 09:44 PM
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i think ava rollers are probably one of the best in the uk
im just saying the things rapidcossie posted at first prove absolutely nothing other than what the car makes at the wheels on those rollers
im just saying the things rapidcossie posted at first prove absolutely nothing other than what the car makes at the wheels on those rollers
13-08-2005, 10:11 PM
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look at RW's power...losses 25 bhp
times that by two for an escort cossie
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Originally Posted by Matt
i think ava rollers are probably one of the best in the uk
im just saying the things rapidcossie posted at first prove absolutely nothing other than what the car makes at the wheels on those rollers
im just saying the things rapidcossie posted at first prove absolutely nothing other than what the car makes at the wheels on those rollers
Not saying they're not m8, it's just every time someone mentions them online a massive debate starts!
14-08-2005, 02:30 AM
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4x4 will lose as said around 100bhp,
when it made this ava said it was a good 330 conversion
14-08-2005, 09:22 AM
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not sayin this isn't true but my brothers cossie made 275@wheels at AVA does that mean his is 375 fly on greens?is that not a bit high a figure for greens?
when it made this ava said it was a good 330 conversion
when it made this ava said it was a good 330 conversion
i'll be heading there soon with a decent spec 2wd stage3 and it'll be very interesting to see the results/comparison
nice one pal 
14-08-2005, 11:14 AM
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Hey chopter was out in coco yesterday coco still has limiter issues after all these years lol
Comparisons have seemed like a waste of time over the years - the only half decent one was the noble comparison but they have temp issues so dont know about true repeatablity. Go with what you are happy with I have tested many cars at AVA - and they have always driven exactly like their graph - thats good enough for me.
coco still has limiter issues after all these years lolComparisons have seemed like a waste of time over the years - the only half decent one was the noble comparison but they have temp issues so dont know about true repeatablity. Go with what you are happy with
I have tested many cars at AVA - and they have always driven exactly like their graph - thats good enough for me.
14-08-2005, 11:47 AM
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How can you generalise losses? If so an Audi A3 Quattro looses 100bhp, therefore it has only 80bhp at wheels? And a mini with 38bhp has about 8 bhp at the wheels. How does it get up hills
14-08-2005, 11:56 AM
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How can you generalise losses? If so an Audi A3 Quattro looses 100bhp, therefore it has only 80bhp at wheels? And a mini with 38bhp has about 8 bhp at the wheels. How does it get up hills
14-08-2005, 12:27 PM
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Ive always thought , if your driving around in you car happy with it , if u take it to the rollers for a power run and it does not make a much as u liked , does this change your attitude towards your car
Euan what did your old engine do at a.v.a mate ? that was stage 3 wasn`t it whatever it was if im round about this iL be happy
a.v.a did tell me 25bhp lose roughly through my old S2 would of thought u doubled this for 4wd 
Euan what did your old engine do at a.v.a mate ? that was stage 3 wasn`t it
whatever it was if im round about this iL be happy a.v.a did tell me 25bhp lose roughly through my old S2
would of thought u doubled this for 4wd
14-08-2005, 12:35 PM
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what limiter martin? lol
14-08-2005, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
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How can you generalise losses? If so an Audi A3 Quattro looses 100bhp, therefore it has only 80bhp at wheels? And a mini with 38bhp has about 8 bhp at the wheels. How does it get up hills
you can generalise with a percentage not a fixed figure!!!
using the losses from a 330hp escort on a sub 100hp 4*4 would be clever - how the fuck can it have minus bhp at the wheels
the losses are heat, the more the bhp, the more the heat, the more the loss
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Originally Posted by Matt
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by EIL132
How can you generalise losses? If so an Audi A3 Quattro looses 100bhp, therefore it has only 80bhp at wheels? And a mini with 38bhp has about 8 bhp at the wheels. How does it get up hills
you can generalise with a percentage not a fixed figure!!!
using the losses from a 330hp escort on a sub 100hp 4*4 would be clever - how the fuck can it have minus bhp at the wheels
the losses are heat, the more the bhp, the more the heat, the more the loss
Indeed loss is heat, why almost every car is different
14-08-2005, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by EIL132
How can you generalise losses? If so an Audi A3 Quattro looses 100bhp, therefore it has only 80bhp at wheels? And a mini with 38bhp has about 8 bhp at the wheels. How does it get up hills
you can generalise with a percentage not a fixed figure!!!
using the losses from a 330hp escort on a sub 100hp 4*4 would be clever - how the fuck can it have minus bhp at the wheels
the losses are heat, the more the bhp, the more the heat, the more the loss
Indeed loss is heat, why almost every car is different