Fastmaul

Life is very hard and sometimes we don't see what's inside the "Intentional" suicide person's mind, for them there is no way out. Some suicides are well, not planned, (think WTC) those people were burning and I can't even imagine what was going through their mind as they jumped off that building
What ever you feel, I'm sure they're friends who will always be willing to listen, or even someone on this board will! It affects more than you will know.

zoso11

touchy subject i guess, i wouldnt wish depression on anyone. Im so glad im pulling through it, what you need is your mates, your family and the things that made you happy before, and so long as you stick to that the age old cliche of "theres light at the end of the tunnel" do happen..

what i decided to do was start the project on the xr2.. i fink that would be the final chapter in closing the book on my depression, i stopped all the medication in march and ive fink i got better myself, and id say im running at 85% at the mo. but the XR2 will certainly see me pushin 100% +++

Ian Godney

A couple of weeks ago a mate of mine did it , I was talking to him at our motorclub on the tuesday night and he seemed fine , on the thursday night he drove up to the Severn Bridge , stopped his car , left it running in the inside lane and jumped off ! They still havent found his body yet , the rest of his family are totally devastated , I still can't believe he did it ....

bigjim172000

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i nearly killed myself when i was 16 two weeks before my gcse' because the social services split my family up and turned my mum mentally ill. I cant remember trying to but i was told by my dad who stopped me.

I just depends whether you can stop yourself or not, like me, cant remember a thing,

bigjim172000

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Oh and just incase after the social services screwed my mums mind up she was sectioned under section 3 of the mental health act (locked up and can be restrained at any time) 6 years ago 5 days before christmas.

All social services should die especially norfolk

saff_cossie

This thread is really interesting and does put accross both sides. I must admit before reading it and only seeing the title, I was ready to put the "Yes" it is a cowards way out.

So much depends on the situation around the individual but when you do have things like no family around you as they have been killed, euthanisia (sp) etc, it is different story.

Each person has there own problems but it doesnt make any less significant compared to anothers.

It is a difficult vote and would also depend how the person did it eg jump in front of a train, overdose etc.

My girlfriends brother in law did it with an overdose but his family have been very strong and come closer together as a result. That was about 12 months ago. He again was very clever but had sexuality issues and family problems.

Less.

Its easy for people who dont get depressed or down to say when you condiser sucide to say its selfish not to think of your family or freinds.In your mind you are you feel the world would be better without you are doing them a favour by ending your worthless life.

People say its gets better yes it does but sometimes the smallest upset a very bad week at work at home can bring thse thoughts back maybe more of a depression,after a very bad spell in my life stood on deserted railway bridge in daze for hours climbing up and climbing down again.Occainsionally sobbing but all I could think was I cant take it anymore I have acheived nothing in my life.

I have let my family freinds and family down but it wasnt the thought of my family that stopped me it was the thought of the pain.

Now most of the time I am a happy carefree person but very now and again these feelings resurface.

Ima-Racing500

Suicide is a cowards way out......WHATEVER the circumstances......dying is part of life...deal with it....I tell you now,if anyone went thru what i do..(no not via threats cause of my personality..ROFL)...youd say the same thing...life is precious whatever it throws at us.

This is from a person who would not wish my predicament on anyone(non life threatening)....take note!

Keith B

I'm speechless I pretty much agree with IMA Racing Life is precious no matter what. If you're depressed you'll stay that way until you unlearn and come to terms with your formative years.

Anonymous

Some very sad stories here

Ragtop

God, I feel for you guys who have lost parents & family like this... Big hugs from me...

I had problems from my mid teens until I was 25... I've tried slicing my wrists twice, but like MadMac, I just couldn't press the blade in hard enuf, and just scarred myself... But the worst one was when I was 20, before I started seeing a shrink.. I tried gassin myself with the zorst pipe... Infact if the stupid mini had run properly and didn't have gapping holes in the floor, I would have succeeded as I was trying for nearly an hour before I was found...

These were very dark times in my life, to which I saw no way out. YES I knew solutions existed, but
a) Finding the info and doctors, before the interwebnet, wasn't easy
b) First you have to come to terms with it in your own head, before admitting anything to anyone..

Everyone has different reasons, and whilst it's easy for us to sit back and critisis these people for taking their lives over drink, drugs, or whatever else, don't forget how hopeless they must have been feeling before they took such drastic action...
It's very easy to feel alone when you harbour a secret or fear that you don't think others will understand... even with family and friends.. !!!!!

Since then (i'm 32 this year) i've not looked back.. For the last ten years Paul has stuck with me thru thick and thin and has been my rock.. regardles of the fact i'm a complete pain in the arse...


Love and peace to everyone
Chrisie...

CossieEdd

Well said !

Less.

You rety and tell people what your feeling most will say just say whats your problem get over it it dont help.

You canbt understand what its like unless you been there

Ima-Racing500

Less....i really do understand what your saying......but i go thru hell on Earth...and i will say that if any of you went thru what i do...youd kill yourself..FACT...but i just put up with it...we all have crosses to bare...people/family/friends die.....we all have things in our life which are shit...but none enuff to want kill oneself...if you do you are a fooking coward....be a man!!!!!There aint no coming back from death....the hardest people on Earth are the survivors who can get thru the rough times...not the "Gangsta's or wideboys"...they are just insecure and need to act hard to be somebody...these are the real weak people.

Just think...whatever happens there is always someone worse of than yourself.

Less.

Phil everyonmes hell on eart is different why I couldnt take that final plunge to end I dont know maybe there was deep subconcious thought of my family and freinds (before I locked myself away si I didnt lose anyone close to me asymore)

One thing I dissagree with yiu with though is the there is always someone worse off than yourself (as thats the kast thing someone who is down wants too hear) as it amde you fel worse and eeben more worthless.aS your problems feel silly and mpore stupid so you feel even more useless

I aplogise for the spelling people but have a fe drinks

And sitting drinking walloing in your owwsn self pity dont help either

Ima-Racing500

Less...what i am saying is...nothing is worth killing yourself over....after every dark night is a bright new day...be positive mate.

....As for there is someone worse of than yourself....well thats true...you think of whatever your going thru and want to pull the plug...and then think of people who could be going tru the same or worse BUT pull thru...you may think noone cares...but they do...wether you know it or not..

Less.

Ima I agree with your saying and I think deep down i know it prhaps thats why I have never done it.

Its easy to admit to people you you have not met (you know aht I mean) but its hard to tell people you know or care about how you feel (hence wqhy I lock myself away at thje pc in my own little muppet world)

I cant get close to anyone or they see the smoke screen I put up and notthe real me

Charlie Chalk

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to be honest i think it is shit, i had a mate not so long ago who did commit suicide

i was gutted, and the fact i had not seen him for a few month made it worse

to be honest there more to life than killing yourself imo, i could never and wouldnt want to put people through the pain that they'd go through, its not nice

Ima-Racing500

Less i feel you...you'd be surprised...NO ONE knows the real me but my other half.....we all have secrets...chin up mate

Less.

Ima not saying every day I wake and think today is a good day to die,and peopel thinkm you do it for sympathy but synpnathy is the last thinbg you want.

Oh well said enough and now best kets its rest

Fozy

Blimey, when posting this topic i never realised that it would get such feedback. Thank you to all the people who have posted their thoughts, pain, aguish etc. It can't be easy for those of you who have suffered due to suicide, whether it be friends or family. My heart/thoughts go out to everyone who has had a loss in anyway not only suicide. It has made me realise how lucky i have been in life.

As for the original question, I'm not sure there is an answer. Everyone has a different opinion on the subject and everyone is exposed in different ways. It seems that it is this exposure that will dictate an opinion and every opinion is valid.

Thanks again to everyone.

MadMac

here here foz.

To be honest I find the internet is a great way to share your feelings with people. even if you dont meet these people in person (which I am sure I have seen some of you at point, but never spoken to) and its been better than any shrink, because people when they send messages over the net are far more open about things and its easier to write out a message and send it out for people to reply to and in many cases, as in this post, hearwarming and encouraging to know that there are people out there that are or have been in the same/similar postition and that people are not alone with their problems.

Some very sad stories here, and I feel for everyone of you. Like IMA said we all have our crosses to bare, but sometimes it's easier if people help eachother carry them.

And on that note I think a group hug is in order

Stavros

aye, i got a lot of respect for people like mad mac etc who told there stories on here, fair play to em

life can suck cock (not in a good way, lol) at times, and fair play for people being open bout it

FastFordChris

when eva i get low and have "one of those days" i try to think of these lyrics,...........

"I've seen fire and I've seen rain
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend
But I always thought that I'd see you again"

makes me think yeah 2days a bad day but 2morrows another day, in the long jurney called life and who knows whats down the road, isnt it worth hangin around to find out??

Matt

ive had a good mate (matt) commit suicide, was a few years back, got tears in my eyes just remembering stuff to type, remembering his mothers sisters and brothers (jamie...another mate who i went through school with) faces when you have that "what the fuck am i supposed to do or say" face, remembering his brother go even further off the rails ending up with him paralysing himself in a bike wreck a year ago, remembering his brothers mrs then left him cos of being paralysed (she says not but she a lying fucker)

its a god awful state of affairs

tore a family apart

what makes it maddening was there were no warning signs really, matt was always the attention seeking type mainly due to his brothers rep and behavious etc, he has just split with a bird (she dumped him) and whilst he was upset about this weve all seen him upset about things way more, one night he was at work in the local boozer, totally normal night, usual sociable and general funny all round self, leaves work, says night to mum, goes to bed and takes a load of pills and alcohol, mum finds him stone cold next morning when she got a call saying he aint at work where is he

matt was always skint cos he was always out socialising all the time doing what he loved, always blagging fags even if he had a fresh deck bless him lol, was a pleb for playing bandits lol the night he did what he did he won Ł50, his mum found it on his bedside table next to the pills fucking irony or what

rip matey, you are missed very much so

PS matt was not a coward, he was a fucking diamond, no vote

Anonymous

Why on earth should anyone stay alive just to keep a few others happy which in alot of cases are actually the peeps that have caused/helped that person to get to that stage in the first place directly by doing something to them or worse still not being there to help/support them in shit times.

Anyone that thinks that is the selfish mother fooker IMO!

Most people don't understand why someone would want to commit suicide, its to do with THIER mind state and how they feel-depressed/worhless/pointless.....

This is in a why its a very serious illness with verying levels (which sometimes is unbareable), the problem is some peeps can't see/relate to it like they can a physical illness and hence can't understand it at all!

Nearly all suicide attempts are a massive cry for help with that person gambling on either it not working or being found before it's too late, unfortunatly the gamble does not pay off for a few . If someone really wants to do it they WILL acheive their goal and do it in such a way there will be only one possible outcome.

All I say is if anyone reading this post is seriosuly thinking about doing it then see you doctor immedialtly, if the urge is that strong then tell doctor you will attempt suicide as soon as you can and get yourself sentioned and hopefully your get some help!

and no vote as it's a stupid fooking poll!

Stu @ M Developments

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What a fooking cock you are at times.....

Anonymous

And why should that make you feel any better ? It's about how YOU feel, no one else and their troubles.

Ima-Racing500

Stu if you knew my predicament mate you'd end it all...not trying to be funny mate....but my life is far from normal..I guess you all think i have a bit of money and buy what ever i like...which is true...but NOBODY but close people know the real reason behind it...and it stands...YOU would kill yourself if you suddenly suffered what i do...i been in this hole for over 15 years and has destroyed my young adult life...i aint a coward in that i'd kill myself as i feel this is my cross to bare we have to cope whatever..as you never know tommorrow may be different.........the truest saying i ever did hear in my whole life is this..."A coward dies a thousand deaths...a soldier dies just once"....i wish i was the soldier.......i have said enuff...and only said this because of Stu's inability to accept that some things i say on the net are fucking true.....i dare you to have my cross for 1 week and then come back and say "What a fooking cock you are at times.....

Stu @ M Developments

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Im not saying your predicament isnt awfull, nor that id bear it any better than you do, but im saying the statement:

Is bollox. You cannot say its a FACT as you dont know how others deal with issue'e such as yours Phil.

Anyway, its obviously a very personal and shit issue for you, so i wont be drawn into an argument with you over it.
Just suffice for me to say that i hope whatever it is you have to bear one day lessens and you dont have to suffer further in any way Phil.

Ima-Racing500

Stu..i say FACT as from my perspective it is...BUT can understand though that you and others wouldnt see it like that...as you have no idea what i go thru

Just didnt appreciate you calling me a fucking cock in the way you did thats all...i found that extremely offensive.

neilm

I'd just like to thank people on this post for their honesty and their openness.



Suicide is the biggest killer of young men in this country today and there is very little being done to help people which is a real shame, there are no adverts on the television, adverts in magazines etc... and there should be telling people where they can get help.

If anyone who's read this post is feeling that it really isnt worth carrying on with it then just take time to call The Samaritans on 0845 790 90 90 (www.samaritans.org) there will always be someone there to listen, not to judge or to loose their temper..... just offer some comfort and understanding.

For those who have lost a friend or loved one to suicide then they may find some comfort in the website www.survivingsuicide.com

Less.

There are 1 or two people on here that I would like to thank (I wont name them they know who they are that have helped me when I am down)

It amamzing reading these stories how much other people suffer a lot more than you and how sometimes you problkems feel so insignifcant compared to theirs.

Atleast no one has said they you are only doing this for sympathy (as wierdly sympathy or pity is the last thing you want)

I feel so feeble and weak after reading these stouires and somethings people have shared with me off off here before this post started.As Madmac has said sharing your troubles with some one your not likley to meet is a great help.

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Eagle

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its not the easiest thing to do ... always in the back of your mind can i actually go through with it...
no mater what way you decide to end your life , you WILL leave people who do love and care for you and THEY have to try and pick up the remnants of your actions...
some people find it HARD to accept their best friends have deep rooted problems, and sometimes dont even realise that THEY are asking for help..
life DOES throw some crap at you .. some can handle it and some can't ..
all the people who are so keen at saying life is precious enjoy it etc .. yeah it is.. BUT when you feel that low... and cant see anyway forward.. then it seems a logical way to go ...
some stuff is very personal in my life .. BUT yeah less i know what its like .. been in the same type of situation a few times... i miss my kids more than i let on to anyone...but i have a very secure relationship with my new g/f whom i love dearly .. BUT ... there are just days when everything gets on top of you ...im not after sympathy .. just tellin it from my perspective.. and its not easy to do so .. sometimes you feel good.. and then there are times you dont...the depths of despair to some are just stupid thought s to others ...

the only thing that keeps me goin sometimes are 2 photos... one of my g/f and one of my 2 kids ....

.. its the worse feelings going that makes you think along those lines... i dont care who JUDGES me or who thinks what of me ... not saying this through drink .. just the reading of the honest views of those who have had to cope with the after affects .. and those who have been open enough to actually post their feelings on a public bullitin board...

sorry but thats how it is for me ...

Less.

Eagle its easier for me to say these things threw drink on to people that have confided there problenms to me.Every one has different problems some can deal with them some lock themselves away from the real world.

I can be happy happy and cheerful majpority of the time but one comment form someone can make me feel why do I bother.

I have nver had kids and I avoid relantionshpis so I dont get hurt or lose another personb close to me.

I didnt want to turn this inot a post of me airing my problesm as I I have said my problems and feelings arte nothing compared to others on here.

Eagle

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sorry wasnt implying that you needed drink to do it less...

Dan

Well said mate, I had someone very, very close to me commit suicide a couple of years ago and I was absolutely gutted let alone what my dad was going through as the guy that did it was more like a brother to him as they had grown up together and he was like a second dad to me!

I can sort of understand why he did it (Don't ask me to explain!) but i'm still left reeling from it to this day, the way he went was terrible, he hung himself and was found about 6 months later and was only traceable from dental records

I would not say that it is a cowardly thing to do at all!