Vid of the worlds largest underground Nuke detonation ever!!
#41
Nukes are imo (as a bit of a tecky geek) fucking cool. But, obviously they can be extremely dangerous, in, just about all circumstances and when countries such as India, Pakistan etc both have them, and are a little bit unstable, it does make the world a very dangerous place to be.
As for terrorism, I don't think Nuclear Fission/Fusion weapons are a problem. Infact I don't think there is that big a threat of a Dirty Bomb. If you want something to keep you awake at night over, do a little bit of research into Biological Weapons. Their threat is massive, and very very real, wouldent take much at all to contaminate a city such as London's water supply with a Biological agent, and thousands would be dead before it'd even be noticed .
As for terrorism, I don't think Nuclear Fission/Fusion weapons are a problem. Infact I don't think there is that big a threat of a Dirty Bomb. If you want something to keep you awake at night over, do a little bit of research into Biological Weapons. Their threat is massive, and very very real, wouldent take much at all to contaminate a city such as London's water supply with a Biological agent, and thousands would be dead before it'd even be noticed .
#42
Originally Posted by PhilM
wouldent take much at all to contaminate a city such as London's water supply with a Biological agent, and thousands would be dead before it'd even be noticed .
#44
Scares the shit out of me.
This is prob a good time to post http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ for anyone that hasn't seen it. Loks like there are some new pics on there too...
This is prob a good time to post http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ for anyone that hasn't seen it. Loks like there are some new pics on there too...
#45
Originally Posted by Rich_w
Originally Posted by PhilM
wouldent take much at all to contaminate a city such as London's water supply with a Biological agent, and thousands would be dead before it'd even be noticed .
All you need is one drop of sarin to kill you. Plus its odourless and colourless.
And I aint even gonna do down the road off a sarin gas attack on the underground, remeber that bit in japan?
#48
Originally Posted by Rich_w
But how the hell do you get eleven thousand litres of Sarin? Then empty it into the ENTIRE water supply? You couldnt possible get it to mix that well. It would be diluted too much.
Ofcourse its a bit mad to think terrorists can get 11,000L.
But what about 1L? In a water tower that supplys a village or town of a few hundred? Thats still enough to kill 2000 people, not just make sick.
Originally Posted by Rich_w
Just for your info 12 people died in Japan. 6K were inured though. And that was 5 separate attacks.
If ten uni grads can get their hands on 5L, how much can terrorists get with their MILLIONS.
#52
Originally Posted by Rich_w
Russia used to detonate MASSIVE ones, and above ground too.
Mental
#53
Originally Posted by xr2fatturbo
nukes are like fire crakers compared to EMP if we built an emp pulse bomb the after affects would be much much worse sending everyone into the stone age!!
What so Total anilation against Fired electronics? Hmmmmmm
#55
Fookin hell thas scary
It amazes me that people invented the things in the first place - Yes it probably is a good defence weapon but what happens when some crazy basta*d decides to use one? Then every other country joins in and Hey Presto the end of the world
Or am i jus watching too many films ?
PMSL
It amazes me that people invented the things in the first place - Yes it probably is a good defence weapon but what happens when some crazy basta*d decides to use one? Then every other country joins in and Hey Presto the end of the world
Or am i jus watching too many films ?
PMSL
#58
#59
#60
Originally Posted by St3V3_C
Scares the shit out of me.
This is prob a good time to post http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ for anyone that hasn't seen it. Loks like there are some new pics on there too...
This is prob a good time to post http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ for anyone that hasn't seen it. Loks like there are some new pics on there too...
Chornobyl "Ghost Town" story is a fabrication TOP <#top>
e-POSHTA subscriber Mary Mycio writes:
I am based in Kyiv and writing a book about Chornobyl for the Joseph Henry Press. Several sources have sent me links to the "Ghost Town" photo essay included in the last e-POSHTA mailing. Though it was full of factual errors, I did find the notion of lone young woman riding her motorcycle through the evacuated Zone of Alienation to be intriguing and asked about it when I visited there two days ago.
I am sorry to report that much of Elena's story is not true. She did not travel around the zone by herself on a motorcycle. Motorcycles are banned in the zone, as is wandering around alone, without an escort from the zone administration. She made one trip there with her husband and a friend. They traveled in a Chornobyl car that picked them up in Kyiv.
She did, however, bring a motorcycle helmet. They organized their trip through a Kyiv travel agency and the administration of the Chornobyl zone (and not her father). They were given the same standard excursion that most Chernobyl tourists receive. When the Web site appeared, Zone Administration personnel were in an uproar over who approved a motorcycle trip in the zone. When it turned out that the motorcycle story was an invention, they were even less pleased about this fantasy Web site.
Because of those problems, Elena and her husband have changed the Web site and the story considerably in the last few days. Earlier versions of the narrative lied more blatantly about Elena taking lone motorcycle trips in the zone. That has been changed to merely suggest that she does so, which is still misleading.
I would not normally bother to correct someone's silly Chornobyl fantasy. Indeed, correcting all the factual errors and falsehoods in "Ghost Town" would consume as much space as the Web site itself. But the motorcycle story was such an outrageous fiction that I thought the readers of e-Poshta should know.
Mary Mycio, J.D.
Legal Program Director
IREX U-Media
Shota Rustaveli St. 38b, No. 16
Kyiv 01023, Ukraine
Tel: (380-44) 220-6374, 228-6147
Fax: 227-7543
e-POSHTA subscriber Mary Mycio writes:
I am based in Kyiv and writing a book about Chornobyl for the Joseph Henry Press. Several sources have sent me links to the "Ghost Town" photo essay included in the last e-POSHTA mailing. Though it was full of factual errors, I did find the notion of lone young woman riding her motorcycle through the evacuated Zone of Alienation to be intriguing and asked about it when I visited there two days ago.
I am sorry to report that much of Elena's story is not true. She did not travel around the zone by herself on a motorcycle. Motorcycles are banned in the zone, as is wandering around alone, without an escort from the zone administration. She made one trip there with her husband and a friend. They traveled in a Chornobyl car that picked them up in Kyiv.
She did, however, bring a motorcycle helmet. They organized their trip through a Kyiv travel agency and the administration of the Chornobyl zone (and not her father). They were given the same standard excursion that most Chernobyl tourists receive. When the Web site appeared, Zone Administration personnel were in an uproar over who approved a motorcycle trip in the zone. When it turned out that the motorcycle story was an invention, they were even less pleased about this fantasy Web site.
Because of those problems, Elena and her husband have changed the Web site and the story considerably in the last few days. Earlier versions of the narrative lied more blatantly about Elena taking lone motorcycle trips in the zone. That has been changed to merely suggest that she does so, which is still misleading.
I would not normally bother to correct someone's silly Chornobyl fantasy. Indeed, correcting all the factual errors and falsehoods in "Ghost Town" would consume as much space as the Web site itself. But the motorcycle story was such an outrageous fiction that I thought the readers of e-Poshta should know.
Mary Mycio, J.D.
Legal Program Director
IREX U-Media
Shota Rustaveli St. 38b, No. 16
Kyiv 01023, Ukraine
Tel: (380-44) 220-6374, 228-6147
Fax: 227-7543
I've been biting my tongue about this one for a month now as I prepare my own website on the subject..
On April 27, 2004 (18th anniversary + 1 day of the Chernobyl disaster) I did a tour of Chernobyl, the nuclear power station and the ghost town Pripyat. As part of this, I had lengthy discussions with my tour guide about Elena's website, and she told me a few things about it.
1) Her father is NOT a scientist. She does NOT have an 'unlimited access' pass to Chernobyl
2) She has never been on a motorcycle inside Chernobyl. If you notice, the pictures including her bike stop when she gets to the access control point. They did NOT let her in.
3) While she HAS been to Chernobyl, she did exactly the same tour I did, and she went with her husband.
4) In her original website, she mentioned she never goes inside buildings without a girl who lives in Chernobyl, who "is familiar in the ways of the atom and has good taste in shoes" and makes her living showing people around. This person's name is Rimma Kiselitsa. She works for the group Chernobylinterinform (http://www.chernobyl.info) - and was my tour guide.
Yes, I had the same tour guide in Chernobyl that Elena had.
But there's more. I'll give an example - one of the pictures on her original site was inside a kindergarden. It's a picture of a baby's crib, with a photo of Lenin, a child's gas mask, and some toys. These photos were 'staged' by Elena's husband. He found the photo of Lenin elsewhere, put it in the cott and placed a gas mask alongside then took a photo of it.
This annoyed Rimma immensely. She was not impressed from start to finish about Elena and her husband, as they seemed to be trying to take photos for shock value - not how the place really is. I had no intention of doing such things (in fact, I saw the very cott they took the picture of I mentioned above, still in the same state that they left it in), and Rimma picked up on this. She took me to MANY places she didn't even tell Elena about. As part of my day's tour, I took over 400 photographs. I watched Rimma remove the gas mask and photograph of Lenin, and put them back in their original homes.
The reason I was told all of this was because Rimma is very annoyed about the whole affair - she's getting phone calls from movie producers wanting to make movies about this "heroic" girl. She's getting people demanding the same unlimited access pass that Elena supposedly has. These do not exist, and she's sick of explaining it to people. When I mentioned I too wished to create a website, she started to talk about it all. Rimma has been featured in Maxim magazine, a number of other magazines and newspapers, and indeed the day I did the tour she told me if I got back to my hotel in Kiev on time to turn on Channel 1 at 7:30pm - she was hosting a documentry on Chernobyl (which looked interesting, but I'm an Australian - I don't speak Ukrainian. I couldn't understand a word).
As part of this, I have offered for her to proof read my website before it goes live, to make sure I have all the facts right. In return, Rimma has said that I may use an "Endorsed by Chernobylinterinform" logo on the page.
So yes, Elena's website is fake, and much of the things she discusses are complete, utter, 100% bull****.. such as you have to stand in the middle of the road. Rimma and I strolled through parks, across fields, around gardens, everywhere. At the end of it, the machine said I had as much radioactivity as when I arrived. Bugger all. This is Rimma's job, this is her life, and she's been doing it for 10 years. She KNOWS what she's talking about, and is truly one of the nicest people I've ever met.
Details of the tour that I AND Elena did can be found at Chernobyl Tours- where you can also book your own tours if you're interested. By the way, it's not exactly a tour group - it was myself, my driver (in the fearsome Soviet Lada car) and Rimma. That's it. It's a private tour, not exactly a Greyhound tour of Chernobyl..
On April 27, 2004 (18th anniversary + 1 day of the Chernobyl disaster) I did a tour of Chernobyl, the nuclear power station and the ghost town Pripyat. As part of this, I had lengthy discussions with my tour guide about Elena's website, and she told me a few things about it.
1) Her father is NOT a scientist. She does NOT have an 'unlimited access' pass to Chernobyl
2) She has never been on a motorcycle inside Chernobyl. If you notice, the pictures including her bike stop when she gets to the access control point. They did NOT let her in.
3) While she HAS been to Chernobyl, she did exactly the same tour I did, and she went with her husband.
4) In her original website, she mentioned she never goes inside buildings without a girl who lives in Chernobyl, who "is familiar in the ways of the atom and has good taste in shoes" and makes her living showing people around. This person's name is Rimma Kiselitsa. She works for the group Chernobylinterinform (http://www.chernobyl.info) - and was my tour guide.
Yes, I had the same tour guide in Chernobyl that Elena had.
But there's more. I'll give an example - one of the pictures on her original site was inside a kindergarden. It's a picture of a baby's crib, with a photo of Lenin, a child's gas mask, and some toys. These photos were 'staged' by Elena's husband. He found the photo of Lenin elsewhere, put it in the cott and placed a gas mask alongside then took a photo of it.
This annoyed Rimma immensely. She was not impressed from start to finish about Elena and her husband, as they seemed to be trying to take photos for shock value - not how the place really is. I had no intention of doing such things (in fact, I saw the very cott they took the picture of I mentioned above, still in the same state that they left it in), and Rimma picked up on this. She took me to MANY places she didn't even tell Elena about. As part of my day's tour, I took over 400 photographs. I watched Rimma remove the gas mask and photograph of Lenin, and put them back in their original homes.
The reason I was told all of this was because Rimma is very annoyed about the whole affair - she's getting phone calls from movie producers wanting to make movies about this "heroic" girl. She's getting people demanding the same unlimited access pass that Elena supposedly has. These do not exist, and she's sick of explaining it to people. When I mentioned I too wished to create a website, she started to talk about it all. Rimma has been featured in Maxim magazine, a number of other magazines and newspapers, and indeed the day I did the tour she told me if I got back to my hotel in Kiev on time to turn on Channel 1 at 7:30pm - she was hosting a documentry on Chernobyl (which looked interesting, but I'm an Australian - I don't speak Ukrainian. I couldn't understand a word).
As part of this, I have offered for her to proof read my website before it goes live, to make sure I have all the facts right. In return, Rimma has said that I may use an "Endorsed by Chernobylinterinform" logo on the page.
So yes, Elena's website is fake, and much of the things she discusses are complete, utter, 100% bull****.. such as you have to stand in the middle of the road. Rimma and I strolled through parks, across fields, around gardens, everywhere. At the end of it, the machine said I had as much radioactivity as when I arrived. Bugger all. This is Rimma's job, this is her life, and she's been doing it for 10 years. She KNOWS what she's talking about, and is truly one of the nicest people I've ever met.
Details of the tour that I AND Elena did can be found at Chernobyl Tours- where you can also book your own tours if you're interested. By the way, it's not exactly a tour group - it was myself, my driver (in the fearsome Soviet Lada car) and Rimma. That's it. It's a private tour, not exactly a Greyhound tour of Chernobyl..
#61
Originally Posted by CarCrazyChick
Yes it probably is a good defence weapon .....
To me the countrys that had/have them or want them were just flexing their muscles and showing off ........
" Hey dont mess with my country , Ive got an atomic bomb you know ! "
But knowing full well no matter what the circumstances they would never arm and deploy one
Thank god America , Russia , the UK etc have disarmed them and are pressing for worldwide total nuclear disarmourment
Although they fookin shouldnt have been invented in the first place , along with biological weapons .
Seriously what the fuck happened to having a good old fashioned war
#62
Originally Posted by Deano
Seriously what the fuck happened to having a good old fashioned war
It got nasty. And then he posted a picture. So he called him a prick. And then he made a threat to someone that hed never seen in his life. Just because he disagreed with him.
No hang on, thats the Internet
#63
What is alarming is that while Russia did detonate the largest atomic bomb ever I read that it was relatively small compared to the largest weaponary built by them and the US.
I've read some interesting stuff about them, I never realised they are detonated thousands of feet in the air to maximise the destruction of the shock wave. And at certain distances things in the line of site get burnt by the light while things in shadows go uneffected. I also didn't realise that modern nukes don't have the fallout issues of the older ones because the nuclear material is completely consumed in the reaction.
As for it being easy to poison people, if it was terrorists would have done it by now.
I've read some interesting stuff about them, I never realised they are detonated thousands of feet in the air to maximise the destruction of the shock wave. And at certain distances things in the line of site get burnt by the light while things in shadows go uneffected. I also didn't realise that modern nukes don't have the fallout issues of the older ones because the nuclear material is completely consumed in the reaction.
As for it being easy to poison people, if it was terrorists would have done it by now.
#64
Originally Posted by Rich_w
Originally Posted by Deano
Seriously what the fuck happened to having a good old fashioned war
It got nasty. And then he posted a picture. So he called him a prick. And then he made a threat to someone that hed never seen in his life. Just because he disagreed with him.
No hang on, thats the Internet
#65
Originally Posted by Deano
Thank god America , Russia , the UK etc have disarmed them
Reasoning for having so many BTW is to assure MAD, mutually assured destruction, ie even after many are taken out before launching or shot down, theres still enough to totally kill the enemy, hence making a nuclear was totally futile, assuring it will never happen.
Without an incredible OTT amount of Nukes someone might think "well, this country will get totally rinsed, but if i do it well enough there will be some of us left and none of them, so its worth a go" but when there more than enough and then some more, its MAD all the way...
TBH, if there was a East vs West Nuclear war, South America would be the place to be I reckon, jus like WW2, about the only place with no real interests of either party.
And lots of mint Brazilian women
#66
Sorry Steve it was meant to read disarming
I doubt though that everyone will get rid of every single one but say they will " Just in case "
Wasnt there a country recently who wanted to obtain nuclear arms and everyone wanted to know what for ? Cant think who it was though
I doubt though that everyone will get rid of every single one but say they will " Just in case "
Wasnt there a country recently who wanted to obtain nuclear arms and everyone wanted to know what for ? Cant think who it was though
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