TOUGH SHIT is all i can say , too many innocent people have died, the police did the right thing, it was kill 1 man to posibly save 100s of people!!!!, im not a racist infact my brother in law is indian but ive done work at mosques in west yorkshire and you get looked at like shit by all the asain people and your there to help them FFS

 

im getting really worred about gra's knowlage of weapons

i was thinking when i heard this at work. as it was in stockwell and they was undercover cops and he could speak english he might have thought he was being targeted for being muslim as undercover cops aint like 10 years ago, they are actually rough looking fookers, now a white guy with a shaved head and his mates are running towards me shouting with guns in there hands id have driven the fookign train to get away

but being in stockwell if the undercovers where black guy then he prob would never noticed just another 4 black people walking up the road with guns, he would have thought they as getting a paper before going signing on and collecting there next batch

it may sound racist but it could actually be true

 

well depends if ya working there serving 100 hours comunity service or not

 

No, drainage works

 

sorry i missed that comment

maybe its cause its on my door step that its a reaction but tbh i really am not paying attention to it


since this has happend i found out my sister was on the esclator in kiings cross on her way to work, if it was the train going to piccadilly circus then she was either on that train or the one before it

cause her name is Davinia my dad had the fucking press at his door asking questions ect as all they had was a first name so they assumed she was actally there and she wasnt telling us to worry us ect, all cause of that person in the paper woth the mask

the bus is a route a famliy member takes so tbh i aint got a clkue why i joke about it as it could have been soooo bad tbh

but i know i have a issue with making jokes when im worried so maybe thats why, apart from that i cant give any other reason why i might find humor in it


sprry for the long answer but thought that may explain a tiny bit why i might be that way

thats not mentioning the service in finsbury park church was ona road near me and we had old bill all over the place yesturday and my missus called me at work worried real bad thining it was going off here as she forgot that was on

 

The guy has now been named! Hes was a 27 yr old Brazlian

 

Whats his age and nationality to do with his name?

 

thats a hard one to talk about now then

as in if hes not from there and hes,,,,,,,, well ya understand what i mean

does he have any links to any of it other than the news and anyone know why he never stopped

if a hoooge fooking shame and the worst part is now the police are gonna have to take more risks when doing it if this was a fook up

should have been kept secret IMO as this is no good for anyone and the guilty are just gonna be laughing at us now too

 

I forgot his name ok

 

Just looked on the BBC:

Jean Charles de Menezes

 

not Pele

 

im glad ya said that as our service driver was on his day off on friday so i got worried then

he dont speak english either but is fooking shit hot at his job

good staff is hard to find on minimum wage

 

They could do with letting off a few more rounds in future to keep the crime down - let the lead fly!

 

agree with spadge..

they were plain clothes officers carrying guns....
did the guy speak or understand english? who is to know?

if you were in iraq for example.... just minding your own business and some guys come running towards you shouting at you.... would you stop put your hands up, hope they were police but on the other hand and be willing to have the video of your execution and decapitation broadcast over the net??

ok he got shot, we don't know the full story, the police did what they thought was best in the circumstances. I don't believe that they would just go about shooting people for a laugh so in the heat of the moment judgements were made.

unfortunate accident if he isnt connected. but it would of been more unfortunate if he was and he got away to blow people up.

 

Agree with that 100% at the end of the day you got a spilt second decision what to do. IMO its a lose lose situation. Its easy to go over it here but just imagine being there when it happened etc. I wouldnt have liked to have made the decision

 

5 shots is a bit excessive though. I dont get why?

maybe thats justification as it might not of been your bullet that killed him?

 

Oh and that has really worked in the States hasn't it
Top post there cowboy

 

I read that he was followed from a house that was named in papers found in one of the rucksacks that failed to explode, once survelliance teams had tracked to the point he was going to enter the tube station where his padded jacket, met`s plain clothes machine gun carring unit asked him to stop, he then vaulted the ticket turnstyle and ran for the tube, he was asked to stop several times but he kept running, they then put him down for good.

Raises a few questions if he was totally innocent why was he running?

 

Don't get many militia through London tho shooting people & kidnapping them for execution...and London isn't a war zone. Totally different circumstances imo.

If he wasn't connected in some way then they wouldn't have been following him, etc... (read TonyK post above)

 

woops!

but like everyone says.. what do they do?
fooked if they do, fooked if they dont..

dont shoot him, he might blow up... did shoot him, and it was only his
packed lunch in the rucksak

 

"Muslim groups condemned the killing and expressed shock at the news of the victim's innocence."
Makes me sick to the stomache!!!!........
Our police should have a shoot to kill policy just like our soldiers should have had during the ira conflicts.....

Great Britain use to be just that, but now we are just a joke.

Its about time we got tough on the groups that want to live in our society, if they dont like our laws or rule then get the fuck out! and any fucking do gooders too.
If we visit there countries we have to live by there laws, so they should with ours.

it really does make me sick..............

 

Dunno if its been sussed yet, can't be arsed to read the thread.

My theory on this INSTANTLY was that of 'intelligence' setting this whole thing up.

The way i see it is that the bomb threat is not and will never be that much of a big risk that will allow the police to go round shooting people willy nilly.

So the guy was running? And? Did he have a gun in his hand? Did he have a bomb under that big jacket he had on?

No he didn't have a gun, so that rule out the police officers life was at risk, therefor he should not have shot.

So what if he DID have a bomb under his coat? Bit silly shooting the geezer aint it? Could well have set it off IF he had a bomb. Again, another risk a trained officer wouldn't take.

So this is my theory:

The whole thing is an Mi6 conspiracy, the bloke who got shot is part of them, the officer who shot him is part of them, the ambulance that collected the body is part of them.

Why did the bloke have a big coat on when it was roasting hot?! I reckon its because he had a bullet proof jacket on underneath, and the jacket would have fooled anyone on the train into thinking he was brown bread as you wouldn't see any blood and puncture holes in his body EVEN if it wasn't a set up.

Its all a little bit too easy how all this has happened, the bloke 'tripped' onto the train......why? Because it was a set up, he tripped on purpous so he was on the floor already for when the police came up behind him, ready to fire the shots into him so there was no risk of 'missing' the parts of his body the bullet proof jacket was protecting.

So why go to all the trouble of setting this up? Simple, to scare the living shit out of any would be terrorists!

Obviously terrorists don't care about death......but if they die and don't take others with them, say if they were shot, then they would have failed and their faith states that 'Allah' would not accept them.

I'll always beleive what i think, police don't have itchy enough fingers to do this sort of stuff no matter what's going on. Its too much of a risk to take.

p.s how do we know for sure he got shot in the head? And 5 times? FFS how many bullets does it take in the head to kill someone

 

the truth is out there mulder!

 

Just howe much of that Hemp did you eat today

 

^^

 

Well thats my thoughts

You got to admit, its a bit shady isn't it Anyone hear the live broadcast of one of the witnesses to this shooting on BBC news?

I never once heard him say 'shot in the head 5 times' he just said 'police offloaded 5 shots into him' he then went on to have a giggle about it saying 'nah nah nah, he's well dead' when the newsreader asked 'are you sure he's dead?'

Dunno about you, if i was asked what happened, saying 'he got shot in the head 5 times' would be the first thing i would say

 

Its a horrible thing to say and im most probably going to get stick for it,
but if Hitler had won WWII i dont think he would be having this trouble now.
And if i was a WWII veteran, i would be asking myself was it worth the sacrifice.
As the country and the way of life they fought and died for is long gone.

(before any one says anything, i dont condone any genocide) and i dont have a white suit and go around with a burning cross.....

I just think our country gets abused..........

 

i think i need a joint!

 

anyone remember the "death on the rock" in 1988(i think),where the sas just walked up to three ira members (who had planted a massive car bomb for the governers day parade)and wasted them.no warnings .just walked up to the provo's and let em have it,then walked away.all the fucking bleeding heart do gooders moaning that they could have been arrested instead!! did they think they'd come quietly then?! it could have been a bloodbath with dozens of bystanders caught in the crossfire.what do these wankers think it is?fucking paintballing?these bastards were proved to have been there to plant this bomb and kill loads of innocent people the same dogooders will be bleating about "human rights" on monday morning about the stockwell shooting.matey should not have legged it.even if he wasnt too hot at english he must have seen the fucking news in the last two weeks!!if an armed copper tells you to stop you fucking stop or get shot.i also would bet that the "police" involved were actually sas.

 

enough of the do gooding shit.
if you step over the line you pay the price,simple as.

 

tf rallyesport,cuoldnt agree more!! watch these bastards come out the woodwork on monday morning though. just been listening to some labour m.p that ive never heard of moaning about it on sky news.tough shit baby,he should of stopped.

 

BBC report says they shot him in the head and not in the chest (where they would usually aim) to prevent setting off a detonation. In a split second decision with a loaded gun in your hand, safety off - what would you do as you see the innocent commuters standing on that train?

Why was he running from the police - I'm sure if he's been in this country any amount of time he'd realise its not like Rio where police act as judge, jury and executioner on the scene (I've seen some news clips from places like Sao Paolo as well - truly shocking what they do!). It's not an event that comes up in day to day life here - people don't tell you to stop running with guns, I'm pretty sure they would have been shouting to him who they were as well - Police is a pretty understandable word especially when compared to the Portugese 'polícias', you'd know who they were!

All this conspiracy nonsense only does nothing but dissolve the truth - the fact of the matter is the police seriously had their suspicions that this man was involved with the bombing, he left a building that was used by one of the bombers from the previous day's attempted attacks and he started running to no-other than a tube station!

Unlucky for him that he was innocent, but sometimes bad things happen.

Life's a lottery - be lucky!

Andy

 

tough shit if you ask me,he was told to stop,decided not to and payed the price,thats how it should be.

 

Think about it mate.. The only reason their visiting your country is because you visited/invaded theirs first and gave them British passports. I aint no do gooder or civil rights activist just a realist. IMO any coont that goes out to blow up innocent civvies deserves to be be shot 5 times in the head, but i think think the police got it wrong again here !!

 

Thats right we did visit/invade theirs.... and we ruled their country with a tough law......... if there was uprisings we would slaughter them......
it worked for a couple of hundred years..........bring back them years i say

 

Yup

You know, I called you on this the other day and you said you were joking. Now I just think you're a twat. Who the FUCK wants bullets flying around if we can avoid it. This aint Hollywood where you get an arm wound but carry on fighting. You get shot, its (Im told) like being hit with a sledgehammer! You go down, unless you're high on something!

Exactly.

OMG Graham S1 the conspiracy Nutbag has 2 Ids on PassionFord

Yeah, jumping a tube barrier is definetly worth getting killed for

Its a very tough thing. The more I read it. The more it sounds like SF were responsible for the shooting not the Mets SO19. Ive not seen or read a witness statement saying the officers identified themselves. Because they dont need to under the rules. If someones pointing guns at me and screaming. Im not sure what Id think. Especially if I came from Brazil!

Everyone goes on about they wouldnt have been following him. But personally, it sounds like they had the wrong information. And a Brazillian in London, will feel cold when its 30 degrees. Hence the Puffa jacket.

Its a sad day for all concerned. The familiy of he Brazilian guy and also the shooter himself. Hes got to live with that now. And it will probably affect him judgement next time.

I just hope the investigation can recover from this, and go find the real people resonsible.

 

Quite similar thing happend here some weeks ago when plain cloth officers in unmarked cars started chasing a notorious norwegian swindler who was hiding over here.

He got so scared probably thinking it was hells angels or some other he owned money that he shot himself in the head. Might have been well deserved for such a coward but it shows how people can misunderstood the situation. But as most of you already have stated, if you dont have anything to hide or fear you would stop in a situation like that....

 

If the bloke is totally innocent then its an unfortunate accident.

I love a good conspiricy theory but the MI6 thing is bollocks!

 

totally agree with shooting that bloke. considering whats gone on recently in london thats definitely one of those situations where running from the bizzies aint a good idea

the day after 4 bombings on trains and he go's legging it into a train after armed police ask you to stop what did he expect

 

turns out he is totally innocent of any link to the bombings

but as it has been said, it was a desision and its deffo the inteligence that are at fault

thoughts og out to his family