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MLR (Mitsubishi Lancer Register) forum thread........

Over 400 BHP from a STANDARD turbo (320 ATW) with very few other mods, all verified on the best/most accurate/most advanced rolling road in the world.......WRC Tech in Silverstone

You'd think: Great News - Everybody Happy!

WRONG: 218 replies and 8,042 hits in just two days


http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...threadid=82567

Hi All,
This topic of conversation has become a heated debate on the MLR in recent weeks, so we have decided to share our findings, and the well educated members of the MLR can come to their own conclusions.

Before commencing, it is important to remember the only accurate
measurement of flywheel BHP is on an engine dyno. The asterisk beside BHP and torque figures indicates that these values are estimated figures. However, in recent MLR dyno days these estimated figures have proven to be within 1% of most figures seen on an accurate and reliable engine dyno - Norris Designs in this case.

Our Dyno Dynamics is the largest capacity chassis dynamometer in the Northern Hemisphere. It is the largest and most sophisticated Dyno Dynamics dyno in private hands on the planet. There is one other system used by the Australian military for vehicle endurance and performance test testing. There is a lot of sophisticated software that we will probably never use.

One aspect of this software that is in constant use is Shootout mode. This locks out the operator from altering any of the dyno parameters which can influence dyno figures. The only values that can be entered into the system are the atmospheric conditions the run is performed under. If anyone can demonstrate that the figures can be altered - as suggested by someone on this forum - then I suggest you contact Dyno Dynamics in Australia and get the position clarified.

There was also a reference made to Shootout Accreditation - which is not available anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere. To our knowledge I am the only Dyno Dynamics dyno operator in the UK that has been to Australia for Shootout training. We pushed heavily for being the only dyno in the UK with Shootout Accreditation - but Dyno Dynamics knew this would cause
even greater problems with other Dyno Dynamics facilities in the UK and the USA so we cannot put the boards up.

We have one of the largest chassis dynamometer dyno cells in Europe. The importance of a dyno cell is to ensure the atmospheric conditions can be controlled, which leads to repeatable results. We have run the EVO in question several times since the original graphs were posted - the results of which are listed below. Notice the atmospheric conditions change and the dates of each run are listed.

Dan

They've been busy then!

Anonymous

Who cares?

Stavros

Ive so so so little faith in WRC Tech its unbelivable.

Lots of reasons, but TBH i dont belive they know half as much as they make out they do.

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Chip, try and get a drive of an EVO 6/6.5/7/8.......the one absolutelly astounding thing about them (apart from the handling and grip) that you would notice is how quickly that turbo spools up (especially the titainium one in the TME 6.5)........

Virtually ZERO lag and a manic burst of accleration that is VERY impressive and sooooo addictive. Then, make that turbo work harder with a bit more boost to improve the power delivery (even less lag) and as a bonus get 140 BHP more for a "few hundred" quid.

I know it does not answer your question - but with 3 year old EVO 7's selling for Ł 14 K nowdays it's starting to make Es Cossies look a bit expensive.......

Dan

Whats the 6.5 version all about then Doug? Didn't know they did one, thought it went straight from 6 to 7?

Anonymous

Some bloke on their called evo-7 is posting acting like some sort of expert and then comes out with:


How can people post technical info with such a fundamental lack of knowledge?

How the hell would cams ever effect combustion chamber size?



Easy to see how people get tempted into arguing with such morons!

Deano

Dan the 6.5 is what they call the Tommy Mak edition

Anonymous

doug i agree completely, ive driven Evos and they are great cars, im just saying who cares that there is an argument on another forum, which seemed to be your point, more than actaully an interest in the cars.

interesting read though on the whole, so i'll retract that "who cares" as obviously i do, so its a in my own foot for me then!

Dan

Ah, cheers Deano

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Well, officially they did go from EVO 6 to 7..........But, after the 6 had been out for about a year Mitsubishi won the World Rally Championship and produced the "TME" (Tommi Makinen Edition spl).......It was much more than just a re-badged 6 as it featured a titinanium turbo, new front bumper and interior, special white wheels and quite a few other "mods" including the option of the rally car decals.......so it became known by the dealers as the TME or "EVO 6.5"

Deano

Thick fooker

Dan

Exactly Chip, people with too much money who want a fast car like an EVO, but then know nothing to maintain or modify it!

Anonymous

You can sum the vast majority of Evo owners up in one sweeping statement IME:

ALL THE GEAR, AND NO IDEA





Ive nothing against such people, who just want to own a car, pay someone else to work on it and never know anything technical about it, but i do have a problem with them when they then start trying to make out they are some sort of expert just cause they paid someone else to do something, have heard so many comments like "i should know ive got a 400bhp car" when in reality they have no idea how their tuner achieved that other than a list of bits, they dont know why those bits were chosen etc.

Dan

Fook off!

I obviously knew about the the TME EVO, just not the 6.5 thing!

Couldn't someone just say AJ's car! lol

Deano

Like I said in the above statement

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Chip to be fair the EVO's are relativelly "new" so it will most likely be the 3rd/4th/5th owners that will be inclined to do their own engine mods......they will learn from what the PRO tuners do and more or less copy what is proven to work.

A good comparrison would be with Cosworths......3DR Cossie's were around in 1985.........and even 4/5 years later (1989/90) the only people tuning them were "works related" teams like (GGR/BBR/Rouse/Collins)............a few small firms/indivisuals set up and learned the hard way......be discovering how easy it was to blow the damn things up Many of those early small tuning companys have dissapeared.

But my point being that it would have taken a brave (os stupid) owner to "tinker" with their just out of warranty Cosworth in those days.

Anonymous

doug, its not that they dont do it, its they dont even understand whats involved that is my point.

RichardPON

Say what you like about WRC Tech (I don't know their work), but you can't knock that rolling road.

If you're gonna have one, it's the best in the country.

RichardPON

Hlafwat through reading the post, it does bear a remarkable similarity to one on here a few years ago about not being able to make 300bhp@ fly at stage1

Same non-believers sputing the same twentieth-hand information about the limits of turbos, fueling etc etc

Neil S

iTrader: (1)

England, maybe

Anonymous

Anyone who knows how to read a compressor map will know that there isnt ever an exact "thats it, thats all you are getting" value for a turbo, its just a case of effiency going down and being a pointless exercise to try and squeeze more when you can just bolt on a bigger one instead.

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WOW!! Mike R..........nice comprehensive reply on that MLR thread

And NO killer caps........think he only saves those for us over here on PF

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Mosi says (about Mike R):

"Christ On A Bike!
Someone with a brain - what an alien surreal experience for this place
Mike, could this lot do a Group Buy on any extra brain cells that you dont need please ?"

RichardPON

PMSL @ Mike!

Seems to be popping up on all the other forums, and attempting to put out fires/wind people up (delete as applicable )

Physio