What breather system for a stage3 saph
07-04-2005, 02:34 PM
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What breather system for a stage3 saph
Just wondered what people use and recomend, i aint after no bling bliong bufty thing that i can polish my helmet on just something that looks ok and is purely functional 
07-04-2005, 02:52 PM
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is that the pot that goes near the battery or the one that is like a header tank but on the drivers side inner wing. What was it like any good or would you recomend any others, like i said i want something funtional not just for looks
07-04-2005, 02:55 PM
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I have a bailey one on mine, works well. My mate has a GRS one which also does
the job, the only difference being mine vents to the atmosphere and his returns
to the sump..
Al.......
the job, the only difference being mine vents to the atmosphere and his returns
to the sump..
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07-04-2005, 03:11 PM
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Alps,
Bailey Breather from Mike R, with a custom fitting kit like mine
I breathe from both sides of the block and vent to atmosphere. Works a treat
I have a spare sump fitting you can have to return to the sump
Any q's, give me a shout
Neil.
Bailey Breather from Mike R, with a custom fitting kit like mine
I breathe from both sides of the block and vent to atmosphere. Works a treat
I have a spare sump fitting you can have to return to the sump
Any q's, give me a shout
Neil.
07-04-2005, 03:15 PM
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Neil S, what do you mean custom fitting kit whats the difference from yours and a normal 1. Are they easy to fit thinking of getting 1 now cause the heads off and i presume it would be easier to fit while its off. O and how much you pay for it if you dont mind me asking
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The standard kit breathes from the cam cover and the original flame trap. It returns oil to the sump over on the other side of the block.
What I did was to breathe from the flame trap AND the plug on the drivers side of the block, then return to the sump via the sump plug adaptor (below the level of the oil).
When cornering 'enthusiastically', the oil can get thrown high enough up the block to block up the breather. This way, there is always somewhere for it to go
and returning the oil below the sump oil level has some benefit which I have forgotten lol
You will need a different fitting for the block (think its 3/8" instead of 1/2", but dont hold me to it, and longer pipe. Bailey will be able to sort it out for ya
Are you going to the cleveland meet? I'm thinking of going so we can chat about it there
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What I did was to breathe from the flame trap AND the plug on the drivers side of the block, then return to the sump via the sump plug adaptor (below the level of the oil).
When cornering 'enthusiastically', the oil can get thrown high enough up the block to block up the breather. This way, there is always somewhere for it to go
and returning the oil below the sump oil level has some benefit which I have forgotten lolYou will need a different fitting for the block (think its 3/8" instead of 1/2", but dont hold me to it, and longer pipe. Bailey will be able to sort it out for ya
Are you going to the cleveland meet? I'm thinking of going so we can chat about it there
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07-04-2005, 03:25 PM
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Ye think i will have a drive up what time is it on 5.30 iirc. Me car is goosed ready to put back together but me mate who is doing it has gone a.w.a.l 
07-04-2005, 03:28 PM
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I've never been before, I'll ask Stevie what time it's on.
Just thought - Pirtek (portrack lane) do the hoses and stuff - you could get most everything you need from there, and just get the fitting from Bailey.
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Just thought - Pirtek (portrack lane) do the hoses and stuff - you could get most everything you need from there, and just get the fitting from Bailey.
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07-04-2005, 04:00 PM
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Right, mine is:
2 inlets on the top of the breather. One to the top of the flame trap (Below inlet manifold), the other to the opposite side of the block (There's a blank there that gets replaced)
One angled outlet at the bottom - down to the sump via a 90deg elbow and a welded on fitting (Hence I have a spare sump plug fitting for you lol)
One big outlet on the bottom of the breather. This gets a vent pipe on it, mine is cable tied to the arb.
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2 inlets on the top of the breather. One to the top of the flame trap (Below inlet manifold), the other to the opposite side of the block (There's a blank there that gets replaced)
One angled outlet at the bottom - down to the sump via a 90deg elbow and a welded on fitting (Hence I have a spare sump plug fitting for you lol)
One big outlet on the bottom of the breather. This gets a vent pipe on it, mine is cable tied to the arb.
Neil.
07-04-2005, 04:04 PM
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Just pm'm mike r he said the sump would need welding. If i get the sump plug thingy of you i wouldnt need the sump welding would i O and why did you choose not to use it
07-04-2005, 04:28 PM
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Neil went for the welded in adapter as he was removing the sump to cure an oil leak anyway.
Also the cleveland meets start at 5 pm, and this month lots of RS's (mine included) are out of hibernation so should be a good few in the car park.
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Also the cleveland meets start at 5 pm, and this month lots of RS's (mine included) are out of hibernation so should be a good few in the car park.
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07-04-2005, 04:38 PM
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As Steve said
I used the adaptor at first, then when I took the sump off I had it modded to take the elbow
You dont *need* a catch tank - nothing ever comes out of the vent on mine.
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I used the adaptor at first, then when I took the sump off I had it modded to take the elbow
You dont *need* a catch tank - nothing ever comes out of the vent on mine.
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07-04-2005, 04:56 PM
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spec r with catch tank
breaths from passenger side of block and cam cover with oil return to drivers side of block and has a catch tank works fine on mine runnign 31psi on greys
breaths from passenger side of block and cam cover with oil return to drivers side of block and has a catch tank works fine on mine runnign 31psi on greys
07-04-2005, 05:28 PM
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Think i will just stick with the baily tbh a lot of people use them so cant be bad really. I did fancy something other than the norm like
07-04-2005, 05:58 PM
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I asked you about it before but you said you didnt have any hoses with it. No offence but there only £100 without hoses brand spanking new.
07-04-2005, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Alps Pacino
I asked you about it before but you said you didnt have any hoses with it. No offence but there only £100 without hoses brand spanking new.
I didn't say i didn't have hoses either i said i had braided ones that came off the Gartrac with it but you said you didn't want them
07-04-2005, 06:05 PM
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Try forge motorsport one thats what I have on mine, and they give discount to RSOC members, had mine powdercoated satin black so that it doesn't stand out to much under bonnet, as I am not into polished alloy either
07-04-2005, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Alps Pacino
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Ok so how much without the hoses
80 quid
Ok so how much without the hoses
80 quid
worth a try. think i will just splash out and buy a spanker 
07-04-2005, 06:15 PM
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Hi...i suggest this one...used a Bailey one previously but sold it for this set up...cheap yet fully functional
ALWAYS use a cam cover breather there is a round blanked hole on the rocker cover already...so Cosworth obviously found it beneficial on race cars ...put that to beer can of your choice...then from the flame trap to another beer can of your choice ...Forget a return to the sump 
You only need that if you dont check your oil level regular enuff and you are a tired old heavy breathing engine!!!
This will be on my new motor after working great on that pictured conversion (430ish BHP)
ALWAYS use a cam cover breather there is a round blanked hole on the rocker cover already...so Cosworth obviously found it beneficial on race cars
...put that to beer can of your choice...then from the flame trap to another beer can of your choice ...Forget a return to the sump You only need that if you dont check your oil level regular enuff and you are a tired old heavy breathing engine!!! This will be on my new motor after working great on that pictured conversion (430ish BHP)
07-04-2005, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Alps Pacino
there is always that option, but come on it will be the grippy coonts that would prefere to save £20 than get a brand new shiny 1 imo