Escos vs saph cos
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Escos vs saph cos
Picked up my mates 379 bhp escos last night to do some work and mot on it. Now my saph is a stage 3 on greens and standard t3 etc and mine seems so much faster and more punch. I don't understand it as he has t34 etc. I was so disappointed with the power (more progressive than punch) that I don't wanna go to the next stage with mine in case it ends up the same. I drove an escos before that was same spec as this and that was pretty lame too. Anyone else noticed the same?
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Yeah it was done at devil developments a few months ago and seen the printout. I've driven another one similar spec my other mates and seemed like progressive power rather than the punch I like
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Just driven it back to my mates house about 45 minute drive, not sure on mileage and I found it I keep my foot in then the turbo does start to pull a bit harder higher up the rev range. I suppose the guys who map the cars set it like that to protect the transmission etc maybe. I do love the old saphs though when they chuck u back in your seat, that's all I bought it for lol and every passenger who goes out in it expects that to happen
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My saph was runing an ahmed bayjoo stage 3 chip on greens and standard t3 and felt really punchy and quick, i then got a t34 and bigger injectors and got an msd chip, the car felt slower as the power was more progressive but was definateley quicker and much nicer to drive.
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I quite intrigued by this topic, as I had MSD chip & set up my saph 4x4 last October, t3 greens ect it made 350bhp on there rollers I was well impressed as it drove like a different car & with a right kick to it.
I've bought a T34/63 from cr turbos & was going to get MSD to fit it with a new chip & injectors, & set up again, but from what u are saying is the T3 is the better of the 2??
Has anyone else got any input on this, on there T34 set ups??
Cheers Lee
I've bought a T34/63 from cr turbos & was going to get MSD to fit it with a new chip & injectors, & set up again, but from what u are saying is the T3 is the better of the 2??
Has anyone else got any input on this, on there T34 set ups??
Cheers Lee
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Yeah I'm gutted as was gonna get a bigger turbo as mine needs a rebuild soon but may just get my t3 rebuilt or uprated. Driving that escos down the dual carriageway it defo gets more powerfull higher up the rev range and I can imagine what it must be like if I could have taken it to the rev limiter but by the time I had got towards that point in the rev range I had ran out of road and got to other cars :-( I bet it would be good on a runway or something but on britains little roads it just didn't have the power low down which is where I want it for that little kick on a motorway I bet it would be good too but u must have to be doing silly speeds just to get that kick
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The escos always feels bigger/fatter/slower than a similar spec saff. I was GUTTED when I first went in an esc cos. It was a 5 year old small turbo and the first I had been in. UTTER RUBBISH
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it may sound silly but a car can feel slower but be faster
ive had it myself ran a t3 that was proper punchy (at the time) and changed upto a to4e and the car felt slower, but timed speed it was faster its just the torque had moved up the rev range and wasn't so peaky low down making it feel slower even though it was actually faster.
ive had it myself ran a t3 that was proper punchy (at the time) and changed upto a to4e and the car felt slower, but timed speed it was faster its just the torque had moved up the rev range and wasn't so peaky low down making it feel slower even though it was actually faster.
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it may sound silly but a car can feel slower but be faster
ive had it myself ran a t3 that was proper punchy (at the time) and changed upto a to4e and the car felt slower, but timed speed it was faster its just the torque had moved up the rev range and wasn't so peaky low down making it feel slower even though it was actually faster.
ive had it myself ran a t3 that was proper punchy (at the time) and changed upto a to4e and the car felt slower, but timed speed it was faster its just the torque had moved up the rev range and wasn't so peaky low down making it feel slower even though it was actually faster.
Only way to test performance is against the clock that dont lie. Also gearing can confuse the Brain.
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hi guys my escos is running msd stage3 hybrid t34/63 engine rebuilt 13k andyfisher my escort has a real kick to it and can easily keep up with our chairmans mad 505 bhp escort up to 120 mph when he takes over.i also used to own a 500 bhp plus 3 door my son and i used to race the pair together and it was not easy for me to get past the escort .stu said my escort was about 347 bhp so maybe that 378 bhp escort could do with a better map cheers ade
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hi guys my escos is running msd stage3 hybrid t34/63 engine rebuilt 13k andyfisher my escort has a real kick to it and can easily keep up with our chairmans mad 505 bhp escort up to 120 mph when he takes over.i also used to own a 500 bhp plus 3 door my son and i used to race the pair together and it was not easy for me to get past the escort .stu said my escort was about 347 bhp so maybe that 378 bhp escort could do with a better map cheers ade
So 347 stays with 500+ simply nonsense or the 500 is BS as most are. Thats a 160bhp advantage. Heres a vid of a 200bhp advantage at no stage is the lower powered car wupping the faster cars arse . The Escort was the famous YUM so a proven quick car.
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hi guys my escos is running msd stage3 hybrid t34/63 engine rebuilt 13k andyfisher my escort has a real kick to it and can easily keep up with our chairmans mad 505 bhp escort up to 120 mph when he takes over.i also used to own a 500 bhp plus 3 door my son and i used to race the pair together and it was not easy for me to get past the escort .stu said my escort was about 347 bhp so maybe that 378 bhp escort could do with a better map cheers ade
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A roller bearing T34 should spool as quick as a standard T3 i'd have thought, so if you wanted the best of both worlds i'd reccomend one of those! not sure on what a .63 over a .48 would be like though with a roller bearing core
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Yeah see where u guys are coming from, it's defo the faster car than mine prob over like 60mph but it's the 0-60 feel I like the best, that punch u get, that's what made me get a cossie as I went in one as a nipper as that's what excites me, waiting for the car to get going dosent really do it for me but fair play each to there own. I wonder what stage u have to get at for that punch again. I did go in a saph Cossie 2wd once with t34 and greys etc and that was the quickest car I've ever been in in my life, that must have been set up for all the power to come in lower down the rev range?
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I imagine a tuner can set the power band where they like, expect when u get to a certain power level on the weak 4x4 transmission they set the main power hike higher up the rev range so it don't blow it to bits lol
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Well you could with ignition timing - maybe...but it would run like a bag of nails everywhere else...
It's all down to cam profile/turbo size where it makes its power...low cam profile....punchy bottom end but no top end, big lumpy cam, shit low revs but pull like a train at high revs...same with turbo, small turbo...lots of go down low but runs out of puff, big turbo...lag city...then BAM....comes on song and wheelspins everywhere
It's all down to cam profile/turbo size where it makes its power...low cam profile....punchy bottom end but no top end, big lumpy cam, shit low revs but pull like a train at high revs...same with turbo, small turbo...lots of go down low but runs out of puff, big turbo...lag city...then BAM....comes on song and wheelspins everywhere
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