MOT testers? question for you.
23-01-2013, 09:51 PM
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MOT testers? question for you.
chaps;
question for you, car in question is a ford KA, mot tester has failed the car on a hole in the floor pan under passener seat, fair enough.
so ive pulled out the carpets and welded a new patch in from the top rather than underneath, put the carpets back in and took it in for a test.
MOT tester has failed this as an inadequate repair because he said he cannot see the repair. so i said if i remove the carpets so you can see the repair, will you pass it then and he said no!
so i've kinda lost my rag a little bit, but i didnt think you can fail it like that???
i guess it will probably come down to mot testers discretion
as a side issue, he also failed it on "offside inner front track rod end ball joint has excessive play" ive since changed this but i didnt think you could fail these either?
question for you, car in question is a ford KA, mot tester has failed the car on a hole in the floor pan under passener seat, fair enough.
so ive pulled out the carpets and welded a new patch in from the top rather than underneath, put the carpets back in and took it in for a test.
MOT tester has failed this as an inadequate repair because he said he cannot see the repair. so i said if i remove the carpets so you can see the repair, will you pass it then and he said no!
so i've kinda lost my rag a little bit, but i didnt think you can fail it like that???
i guess it will probably come down to mot testers discretion
as a side issue, he also failed it on "offside inner front track rod end ball joint has excessive play" ive since changed this but i didnt think you could fail these either?
23-01-2013, 10:00 PM
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hello fella im a tester and if you came back with the carpet pulled back so i could see the repair the that is fine that's a pass in vosa's books but i bet you can see the heat from the welds from underneath anyway!
as for the track rod end that is a fail they can get very bad in sum cases!
sounds like your tester has got the hump from working in the cold! lol a little tip dont book mot's on monday's! no one likes monday's! best day is friday! all he wants to do is get home for the weekend! lol that's my case any way!
as for the track rod end that is a fail they can get very bad in sum cases!
sounds like your tester has got the hump from working in the cold! lol a little tip dont book mot's on monday's! no one likes monday's! best day is friday! all he wants to do is get home for the weekend! lol that's my case any way!
23-01-2013, 10:02 PM
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To answer your question its a yes too all three, track rod end is a suspension/steering component so it is a FAIL! It is his discretion on repair but i have had this but i was told it must also either have been welded from under neith also, so take out seat and carpet get under it and just weld round repair underneith tske back for him to se before you zink prime and sealer it
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24-01-2013, 04:38 AM
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This is why i go to my mate for mots cause he is really fair.I must of taken about 20 cars to hime and he has only failed 1 cause it was that bad.Normaly he just passes and advise then i get the work done.
24-01-2013, 06:42 AM
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cheers gents
he's an old boy and i think he's just being an awkward barstard because i do my own work and they dont get any work from me.
i only use them for mot's because they are on the same trading estate as me and its convenient. I'll take the car to my normal mot tester and take the carpets up and show him.
i think failing it on the weld is very harsh considering i said i'd take the carpets up and show him! never mind, wont use them again
he's an old boy and i think he's just being an awkward barstard because i do my own work and they dont get any work from me.
i only use them for mot's because they are on the same trading estate as me and its convenient. I'll take the car to my normal mot tester and take the carpets up and show him.
i think failing it on the weld is very harsh considering i said i'd take the carpets up and show him! never mind, wont use them again
24-01-2013, 06:52 AM
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hmmmm sounds like he being arsey to me i repaired loads from the inside over the years and never had a problem at the retest! every repair i do from the otside is sealed up then undersealed too and thats never been a problem either
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25-01-2013, 09:56 AM
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IMO, the tester has no right to fail the car the second time for the corrosion, if the hole is no longer present, and he cant get through it, then he has no reason for failure,
its not up to him to decide if the repair is adequete or not he can only go by what he can see and if its a simple pass or fail.
At no point should you need to remove carpets for him. If the repair is done internally then he has lost his reason for failure as the hole is repaired.
All he can do is pass, but advise he could not see the repair as it was internal.So he is then covered and the problem lies with you if anything ever happened becausee of a poor repair.
People take the MOT too far, hes a tester who only has the manual to go by, he cant make his own rules up. Is there a hole in the floor Yes or No, thats all he has.
Are the seat belt stalks mounted on the seats?
If i were you, i would go back to the station, and ask the tester for a VT17, and get Vosa to take a look.
its not up to him to decide if the repair is adequete or not he can only go by what he can see and if its a simple pass or fail.
At no point should you need to remove carpets for him. If the repair is done internally then he has lost his reason for failure as the hole is repaired.
All he can do is pass, but advise he could not see the repair as it was internal.So he is then covered and the problem lies with you if anything ever happened becausee of a poor repair.
People take the MOT too far, hes a tester who only has the manual to go by, he cant make his own rules up. Is there a hole in the floor Yes or No, thats all he has.
Are the seat belt stalks mounted on the seats?
If i were you, i would go back to the station, and ask the tester for a VT17, and get Vosa to take a look.
Last edited by James @ M Developments.; 25-01-2013 at 10:15 AM.
25-01-2013, 10:09 AM
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Another example of this, a car fails for a hole in the sill,
When the car comes back for a retest the whole sill has been painted and the repair is nowhere to be seen as they have done a really nice job and its completly invisable.
Pass or Fail? as the tester cant see the repair?
How does he know its been repaired? how does he know the sill isnt now full of cardboard and filler? But he certainly cant proove it isnt a perfect seam welded patch or new sill.
The answer is, its a pass, but he has every right to advise he could not see the repair.
When the car comes back for a retest the whole sill has been painted and the repair is nowhere to be seen as they have done a really nice job and its completly invisable.
Pass or Fail? as the tester cant see the repair?
How does he know its been repaired? how does he know the sill isnt now full of cardboard and filler? But he certainly cant proove it isnt a perfect seam welded patch or new sill.
The answer is, its a pass, but he has every right to advise he could not see the repair.
25-01-2013, 10:14 AM
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IMO, the tester has no right to fail the car the second time for the corrosion, if the hole is no longer present, and he cant get through it, then he has no reason for failure,
its not up to him to decide if the repair is adequete or not he can only go by what he can see and if its a simple pass or fail.
At no point should you need to remove carpets for him. If the repair is done internally then he has lost his reason for failure as the hole is repaired.
All he can do is pass, but advise he could not see the repair as it was internal.So he is then covered and the problem lies with you if anything ever happened becausee of a poor repair.
People take the MOT too far, hes a tester who only has the manual to go by, he cant make his own rules up. Is there a hole in the floor Yes or No, thats all he has.
Are the seat belt stalks mounted on the seats?
If i were you, i would go back to the station, and ask the tester for a VT17, and get Vosa to take a look.
its not up to him to decide if the repair is adequete or not he can only go by what he can see and if its a simple pass or fail.
At no point should you need to remove carpets for him. If the repair is done internally then he has lost his reason for failure as the hole is repaired.
All he can do is pass, but advise he could not see the repair as it was internal.So he is then covered and the problem lies with you if anything ever happened becausee of a poor repair.
People take the MOT too far, hes a tester who only has the manual to go by, he cant make his own rules up. Is there a hole in the floor Yes or No, thats all he has.
Are the seat belt stalks mounted on the seats?
If i were you, i would go back to the station, and ask the tester for a VT17, and get Vosa to take a look.
and yes the seat belt stalks are mounted to the seats IIRC
what's a VT17 James?
25-01-2013, 10:15 AM
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You do not have to prove to him it is a good repair,
He has to prove to you it ISNT, thats how it works, and he cant. Simple.
And if the repair you have done is good, if it went to court he would loose.
VT17 is a complaint form, it will probably shit him up if you ask for one.
He has to prove to you it ISNT, thats how it works, and he cant. Simple.
And if the repair you have done is good, if it went to court he would loose.
VT17 is a complaint form, it will probably shit him up if you ask for one.
Last edited by James @ M Developments.; 25-01-2013 at 10:17 AM.
25-01-2013, 10:20 AM
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You do not have to prove to him it is a good repair,
He has to prove to you it ISNT, thats how it works, and he cant. Simple.
And if the repair you have done is good, if it went to court he would loose.
VT17 is a complaint form, it will probably shit him up if you ask for one.
He has to prove to you it ISNT, thats how it works, and he cant. Simple.
And if the repair you have done is good, if it went to court he would loose.
VT17 is a complaint form, it will probably shit him up if you ask for one.
25-01-2013, 10:21 AM
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Then he has no reason for failure mate, its as simple as that. Hes not allowed to guess or pass any mechanical knowledge into the MOT, he has to go by the book.
Mechanics make shit MOT testers, as they often apply their own knowledge into the test and try to guess, or fail things because they are worn etc etc. The MOT standard is SO low most things that fail in reality shouldnt.
Mechanics make shit MOT testers, as they often apply their own knowledge into the test and try to guess, or fail things because they are worn etc etc. The MOT standard is SO low most things that fail in reality shouldnt.
Last edited by James @ M Developments.; 25-01-2013 at 10:24 AM.
25-01-2013, 12:03 PM
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Then he has no reason for failure mate, its as simple as that. Hes not allowed to guess or pass any mechanical knowledge into the MOT, he has to go by the book.
Mechanics make shit MOT testers, as they often apply their own knowledge into the test and try to guess, or fail things because they are worn etc etc. The MOT standard is SO low most things that fail in reality shouldnt.
Mechanics make shit MOT testers, as they often apply their own knowledge into the test and try to guess, or fail things because they are worn etc etc. The MOT standard is SO low most things that fail in reality shouldnt.
I need to sort the back brakes but i cant get the car back within the 10 days from the original test, so i'll just use another garage ive used before
25-01-2013, 12:10 PM
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To be honest i just wont use them again. When i took it in for the retest, he didnt enter anything on the system (whatever that means) as the back brakes were not strong enough to past the test still, this is when he mentioned he wont past the welding
I need to sort the back brakes but i cant get the car back within the 10 days from the original test, so i'll just use another garage ive used before
I need to sort the back brakes but i cant get the car back within the 10 days from the original test, so i'll just use another garage ive used before
25-01-2013, 03:27 PM
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To be honest i just wont use them again. When i took it in for the retest, he didnt enter anything on the system (whatever that means) as the back brakes were not strong enough to past the test still, this is when he mentioned he wont past the welding
I need to sort the back brakes but i cant get the car back within the 10 days from the original test, so i'll just use another garage ive used before
I need to sort the back brakes but i cant get the car back within the 10 days from the original test, so i'll just use another garage ive used before
Once the retest is done thats that = fail or pass.
Ah re read and you say he didnt put it into the system.Dosnt mean ha hasnt logged it after wards though if he is being a bit of a toss pot.
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28-01-2013, 06:05 PM
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I take all my cars to a mot station that does not do repairs so I know they wont fail it hopeing to get extra work
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