RSLUBBY

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Was told a rumor today that tax on classic cars 18 years and over will change 1st march minimum of 450 to a max of a grand done on emmisions.
Anyone know any truth in this!!!!!!!
Apparently was advertised in classic car mags this month!!!!!
What affect will this have on an escos????
Any information greatly appreciated!
Surely they can't bring something like this in!
Cheers Ian
Sorry if this a repost

cossie4i+

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Down to one toy for me if this happens

Steve

Oranoco

Doubt it as they don't have emmisions data for anything pre 2001

Psycho Warren

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nothing on the usual government websites.

Rsmat

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This..^^^

coswurv

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Hopefully just another load of spooke bollox.

rs clint

fucking hope so

stevedohc16v

Which classic car mag was it in? I get Practical classics and classic car magazine and theres no mention of it, infact the only thing about tax mentioned is that soon you wont have to show your insurance cert at the post office anymore when getting a car taxed as they will just check the database, which is a good thing.........Think this is just BS

The Youth.

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As has been said, there is no data pre 2001 so it's a load of bollox

Steve

RSLUBBY

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I'll ask me mate which classic mag it's in. got him scared as he has just put his mex up for sale I thought it was bollox no mention anywhere

Iain Mac

It doesn't matter who is in power, but the motorist is an easy target to take more cash from. The Chancellor has an autumn statement to deliver next week and I expect he will announce new and interesting ways to take more of my money from me, but I don't think this will be one of them. Yet...

What happened in 1994/5 for them to pick that date to add another complication to an already overly-complicted system?

I remember when the only variable in your tax disc was whether you paid for 6 months or 12 months.
Then 25-year old cars go free tax, but then the cut-off for that was frozen so it was only pre-72 (or is it pre-73?)
Then they brought in CO2 bands which they keep changing, and then they created differential pricing based on CO2 for older cars - but only cars which had CO2 data.
Then they brought in first-year tax (having got rid of new car tax years and years ago!)

Karl 3dr

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Nothing would surprise me with this government, the sooner they're fucked off the better imo.

rs clint

can't very well be based on emissions people put modern engine conversions in thus lowering the emissions ?

STeve

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surely you mean any government, as none of them would ever help the motorist out

Glenn_

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I bloody hope it doesnt happen.

STeve

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I do reckon your mate has read it wrong Ian, as loads of road tax changes come into effect next year mainly for the chelsea tractors and normal cars made after march 01 and the like, as rules as far as I'm aware are any car pre 1973 is tax exempt and any car made between 1973 & 2001 is charged by 2 classes of engine size under 1549cc is Ł115 a year and cars over 1549 are Ł180

RSLUBBY

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Apparently it was in classic car weekly newspaper funny how no mention anywhere else think he must have read wrong lol

martysmartie

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Pre-73, and there is talk at the moment of this being stopped, which will cost my Dad and others alot of money, for cars that are seldomly used, it's ridiculous!

Martin

STeve

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I think I stumbled across what your mate may be on about, its was the closure of a rolling classic car tax exemption which the conservatives introduced back in the thatcher era to preserve our classic and historic cars, in 1997 labour while in power froze the rolling classic exemption and introduced and fixed cut off date instead. This meant that owners of any vehicle constructed after 1 January 1973 would have to pay vehicle excise duty if they were not declared to be off the road (SORN). Under the current arrangements there is a real danger that the tax on vehicles registered after 1973 may become too expensive for enthusiasts to afford. This is particularly an issue when an enthusiast has a collection of several vehicles. Many owners may only tax them for a few months in summer or even take them off the road indefinitely. The current system limits the opportunities of seeing these vehicles on the road and the additional costs could prove so burdensome that they threaten jobs in the restoration sector.

you were able to lodge your thoughts on a government based website up until july of this year, so its very likely a big change may well happen in 2013, the bringing back of the rolling exemption scheme was planned but as of yet its not happened due to the current economic climate here in the uk, also there is rumours of scrapping the pre 1973 exemption which would mean all cars of all ages would be liable for various forms of taxation which all of us motorists and petrol heads know is possible as we all feel the government does nothing at all to help motorists

iansoutham

Well, that would be me f***ed up then as between me, my father and uncle, we have now got over 60 motorbikes that are pre 1973 and tax-exempt. Add to that my 1953 Ford Pop I am restoring that would otherwise only need to be insured (at zero cost as it is an additional vehicle on a classic policy), so would go from having to put only fuel and oil in it to having to tax it as well (probably at some stupid cost) all for most likely less than 500 miles per year.

STeve

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you should be able to sorn them Ian but of course it would restrict you from using what one you liked without it having tax and with that amount of bikes etc it would be a nightmare,

iansoutham

SORN is not an option as a lot of them get used all year round for tv and film work, so need to be usable. That Churchill advert with Martin Clunes on the old blue Triumph and sidecar, for example, is one of ours and we were getting called up at short notice to do filming, i.e. Friday afternoon for Saturday mornings, etc... so no time to tax. Have got 2 bikes on film jobs at the moment with another couple possible next week.

STeve

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I do see your problem, but as of yet no changes are confirmed its just the expected, the government is trying to raise money for this or that so the enthusiast as always will be used as a easy target

Fraggle...

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Like FCUK am i paying like Ł500 to tax my frst for 6months, then only use it for say 3..

Sadly i can see this destroying the classic car game completely if people decide its just too pricey to keep their old treasures, thus all the associated trades will suffer including car insurer's and HMRC themselve's as the tax generated by this section of life must pull in a good few quid in tax's...and ultimately jobs/skills/ and the cars themselves will go.

Then theres the issue of the diehards,who lets be honest are gonna think fcuk em its midnight club time...
3am, no tax, no plates, just popping out to dust the cobwebs off


Time to build that 200mph 3door i keep promising myself, show the cnuts what tax evasion really is


Bunch of CNUTS

kateean2

It doesn't matter who is in power, but the motorist is an easy target to take more cash from.

STeve

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as above^ we all know when it comes to budget time all of us will get shafted in one way or another as they all think we have enough money to buy eco friendly cars and ditch our old ones, funny how countries like china could not give a toss about the climate and would drive around using 4 or even 5 star leaded petrol if they wanted too, everything any car enthusiast does is TAXED to the hilt and its never going to improove, I really hope the proposed changes in these rules dont happen but I wont be surprised in massive hikes for all of us

vaughant

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I'd be amazed if any of this comes to light,the knock on effect for businesses and the like would be massive and to give these lot some credit they are very business orientated people.
Is there anything official regarding this?
Until there is I'd say it's more like hearsay.
There's supposed to be an mot exemption coming in for pre 1960 cars which sort of goes against the grain of suddenly taxing them at Ł500 a year (which sounds nonsense to me).

2wdsaph ben

If it does happen I will have to sell my car. I would only be doing thousand miles year max cause of the petrol prices are so high and with the tax increase there be no way I would be able to afford it.
The greedy selfish government have more money than I do from my wages! Stop letting everyone sit on the dole, stop making prison like a holiday park and stop illegals from being in this country

STeve

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thing is most of it was already given the green light and will be going through as regards big hikes and some aspects coming into force in 2013, this was already in place from when labour were in power, there was talk the conservatives were going to stop it but now like any government they could also do nothing and simply blame it on the previous government while counting our cash before giving it away to other countries etc, I advise anyone interested in this to keep a eye on all government websites between now and the budget

Mattfletcher

Trouble is theres going to be a point where people are not going to be able to afford the running costs of a car, so in the long run they'll lose tax money due to less people using cars, then some people won't be able to get to work and then they won't be able to pay all the national insurance and tax from their wages. In an ideal world we should all just go on strike no buying anything with tax on it, fuel, food etc and live on the dole to prove a point......oh no we won't be able live on the dole because no one will be working to pay tax

vaughant

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Yes but where does it say there will be a tax hike?
Most of what 1-pd quoted is what's current legislation anyway,anything after 73 needs to be either insured or sorned,the rest is just guesswork at best.
Plenty of politicians with classics too and it's also one of the few growth industries in recent times,hopefully nothing to worry about.

XRT_si

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I work for a classic car mag and we've never heard of it!

pani_k

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This reminds me of the making modified cars illegal tripe that done the rounds a few months back.

RSLUBBY

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In classic weekly it was talking about normal tax under 2001 but a charge on emissions at mot sounds like horse shit to me

stevieturbo

Everything that comes from the government is shit. They're nothing but dirty scummy hypocrit bastards if ya ask me..

vaughant

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Yeah complete tripe I'd say fella,MOST cars after 1992 had cats so their emissions are comparable to the latest model cars anyway.

Usual Internet bollox.

stevieturbo

That said, since the government reduced tax costs and manufacturers developed cars to meet these low tax brackets...the government are losing a fortune, so will be looking at ways to extort more money from motorists.

Ginge !

They already have,,, they will raise the tax over time to cover it

Anyone read anything about Imports,,,,, that's the only one I'm bothered about lol

RSLUBBY

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Stop paying support to bludgers simples and cut politicians pay / expenses that will do it.
What's the crack with imports then?