davidnormanuk

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-Ford-...#ht_500wt_1077

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Escort-RS-...ht_1198wt_1061

I'm a little confused as I thought the shells were different. Is this allowed as I thought this may come under ringing?

Cheers
Dave

haz87

The second link is all above board.
However the first link is totally contradicory...
"the shell is genuine Cosworth"
"based on rs2000 4x4 logbook"

So yer its either a rs2k shell and the seller is bullshitting saying its a real shell.. Or its a genuine shell and a V5 for a totally different car (in which case the rs2k vins must have been bodged onto the cossie shell).

Nick.W

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RS 2000 I'd's are sometimes put on Escort Cosworths that are built up out of parts due to being the same age and shape (ish)

I'm not sure on the legalities of it all to be honest but I've seen quite a few with 2000 logbooks so I'm guessing its not illegal?

Shame because the red one is a bloody lovely car.


All I can say is I'm glad mine says Escort Cosworth on the log book

Fil

had a rant about this on my ebay thread the other day

https://passionford.com/forum/muppet...ke-a-look.html


still more ringing than an old school telephone!

Java=Blue

I think the auralis one looks bloody lovely! .. wouldnt buy it though.

carlo

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They are ringers simple as doubled up on rs2000 books

BRAMMER

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So many about it's actually surprising - some say they were built from a new Ford shell using an ID from a RS2000 due to getting an actual plate and for insurance reasons as we all know how hard it was to insure these back then.

Personally they all smell of being a ringer but how to find anything out i don't know as they have covered everything up - if you want a cheap way into an EsCossie then thats it but not sure what the insurance company would think about it.

I've always questioned how the DVLA have allowed these car's to be registered as your talking different motor, drivetrain & suspension to the RS2k - they must have been very relaxed back then to be able to allow them through.

carlo

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Chris dvla wont even know i bet nobody will have ever notified them

BRAMMER

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So thats how they got around it then

Which then asks the question how have they been able to get through MOT's or would they not be bothered that maybe the drivetrain is the wrong formation for the vehicle, and engine etc

I suppose it's the same as RWD Escos do you have to notify anyone?

carlo

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THink its a case of a moody escort cossie and spend a couple grand if that on a rs2000 then your there ! they all have the same story rs2000's converted etc but are cosworth shells trouble is they are that old now not many ppl will bat a eye lid unles you get a copper that knows his stuff , but they are expnsive i think as well there is a 10 grand rwd escort for sale thats genuine and a moody one for Ł8500 for Ł1500 you have no risk of losing your money

Glenn_

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Its a bit dodgey imo.

Porkie

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could you imagine the convesation?

Hi, is that the DVLA? my mate Dave has stolen this cossy... we have stored in for 6 months so we think the heat is off. Just to make it legit, can we register this stolen car as a 4x4 2000 as its cheaper to buy the ID... we dont wanna spend any money on this stolen car you see.

Fil

So steel an escort cosworth, hide it away for a bit,

buy a legit rusty mk5 rs2000 fit for scrap, for say Ł700/800


do some cutting and pasting


= ringed


make up some story for ebay,

= Ł7k profit


not bad

carlo

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pmsl i know Lee , way i look at it you have a mk5 escort 1.4 put rs2000 running gear in it not a hard job really as its front wheel drive , to change a mk5 rs2000 to 4x4 cossie using the original shell what a fucking job you have on your hands you basicly need a full cosworth as a doner car and a hell of a good fabricator , cause if you use the cossie shell its not a rs2000 , if however you just use the id you have a ringer simple.

if you contacted dvla about this and said you had built one up i would imagine it would need some sort of vic check etc , but you can clearly see these cars are just escort cosworths and never been fucked with

MrC

are legit cossies?? They look nothing like my genuine specimen, you know when Nissan partnered up with ford and cosworth and built the primera cosworth special edition

Only one was made and was top secret, only certain employees with level 5 clearance knows of its existence, others have denied all knowledge of it, obviously a blantent conspiracy.

Do you think I would get away with it??

Porkie

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Yes, I agree. Not fucked with at all....

just STOLEN and not recovered!

carlo

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true

rs_traynor

alot of people do it just so it aint on a q-plate, suppose a q-plate would be harder to sell and insure rather than an escort cosworth on rs2000 id...

A q-plate and rs2000 id'd escort cosworth must be worth about the same??

I heard theres no such thing as q-plates anymore apart from them that are already registered? is this right?

1.9 xr2 on 40's

no new q's are still available
when these shells were being sold off and auctioned it was a cheap way to start and i expect many have been build with a nicked escoses as donors
or just rung up with a cheper alternative

when i was 17 i was offered escossies nicked for Ł350 or 450 for a lux
i was riding about in a 950 fiesta so no real use to me lol
i worked at a half shady place and they guy offering to me was put away for armed robbery not that long after but its main line was nicked lorries, nice fella tho

Madgit

Lee's just jealous as his 430's logbook says Toyota MR2

Psycho Warren

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I see NO legitimate reason to do this.

all these claims about insurance are bollocks too. if its misregistered then its not insured. Even more so if you claim to the insurer its an RS2k when its an escos.

if youre building up from a new shell, DVLA would issue a new vin and the car would need to have gone through SVA or IVA if its a recent'ish build.

Any re-shell would have kept the original vehicles ID. Albeit often an SABTVR vin.

Any motorsport kit should have used a escos as a "donor" and be registered under kit car rules.

anything bodged from a mix of second hand parts or a reshell using a second hand shell should be on a Q plate.


Plenty of excuses people might want to avoid the hassle, but none of them are legitimate reasons IMO.

Psycho Warren

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Q plates are still issued.

1.9 xr2 on 40's

yeah i needed punctuation
should have read
No, new q plates ARE still available.

RWD_cossie_wil

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Nothing more than some poor cunts stolen car rung into another cars ID.

davidnormanuk

I'm seriously considering going to see the blue one. . If I were to buy it. Can someone like AA inspect it and it ever does turn out to be dodgy I can be protected financially?

BigChuck

the thing is the a q plate is legal, you can insure it legally and the police wont take it off you.

a car on the wrong id, cant be insured for what it is, and you risk a clued up cop or vosa picking up that it is a ringer and taking the car off you. while at the same time the do you for no insurance and so on

booner999

I know the red one on this thread has been checked by Vosa and passed. The owner is on www.escortrscosworth.com and a previous owner had the checks undertaken.

If I am honest though, for around Ł2000 more you can have a genuine Escort RS Cosworth... I know because mine is for sale, or was at this price.

Daviet

What are you thinking about? 9k for a dodgy escos with a shit looking engine bay and a number plate worth about 200 and he is saying it is worth 1500 lol.
You would be mental to spend your cash on that

RWD_cossie_wil

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So you are happy to own a stolen car then that some poor sod has worked hard for?

stevenr

Do you know for a fact that it's stolen? Didn't think so.

I could buy it and put a cheap age related private plate on it ,after a few months i bet i could post photos of it on here and no fucker would know any different.

At the end of the day though,it's not that much cheaper than one with a real id so not worth bothering with really.

MrC

Tbh that red one looks tempting it looks really clean

tee-rex

At the end of the day an escort cosworth shell and an rs 2000 shell are completly different as we all know, if and i mean if an escort cosworth shell has ever been registered as an rs 2000 there should be some really good verifiable documentation from ford, dvla, vosa, not just a worthless vic check they don't mean anything on their own, any stories about lost the doc's after a house move or my nans jack russell ate the paperwork you know its a wrong un.

vaughant

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Exactly,no one knows if it's stolen,highly unlikely I would say,more likely an insurance job (so I suppose technically it is stolen!!),divorce settlement to be hidden away,car found to be on finance and needed to "dissapear". There's all sorts of reasons.
It's dodgy in the fact that you can lose the car if the engine number etc doesn't match the chassis or there's some way of directly tying the car to a previously stolen motor but if the vin/floor/engine numbers tie into the ones printed on the logbook,the motors declared correctly to the insurance and is otherwise road legal then IMO your not doing anything wrong.
Personally though for Ł1500 or so more I'd get the correct id to save any of these hassles.
Does make me chuckle sometimes,rs motors were being rung ten to the dozen back in the 80's and 90's and I'd guarantee at least 20% of the cars on here are originally ringers and about 75% have been built up with stolen parts no doubt with the owners totally oblivious to the fact.

davidnormanuk

If all the paperwork comes with the car and there's a receipt for all the work done including a new shell from Ford, then there shouldn't be a problem. Everything of course would need to be checked and if the cars legit, getting Vosa / The Police involved shouldn't be a problem.

I was in 2 minds to be honest but until I go see the car and check it out for myself not alot can be done.

Has anyone on here been to see the car and done any checks?

carlo

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Good way to blow alot of money fire in , what will you insure it as ? a rs2000 ? then when you hit someone its not insured properly ? cant beleive how naieve (sp) people are on this thread they are rock and rollers simple

davidnormanuk

I have phoned the non emergency police line and they have said it's on a private plate and they have no interest in the car at all. I'm sure if the car was put on the ramps and checked around where the numbers go you'd be able to tell if it was dodgy or not.

MrC

If you declare to the insurance company exactly what it is and put down all the modifications on a vehicle report, then you've covered yourself insurance wise by declaring everything, no get outs there.

carlo

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I fail to see how it cant be dodgy ? its a escort cosworth on a rs2000 id but knock yourself out you have put a post up asking the question 90 % of ppl think the same its moody but your going to buy it anyway fair enough

The policeman at the end of the phone might not have a intrest in the car as the rs2000 id will be legit if how ever they find the story behind the cosworth at any point it will be another matter its a old car now you might get away with it apart from everyone on the forums will know youve bought a ringer

MrC

If you do buy it I suggest you invest in one of these just to make the scene aware of your newly found purchase, ideal for parade laps and such.

Just to let everyone know that you don't give a sghit and neither do the police

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/vie...assified=false

furry

It Is possible that a load of old redundent shells where sold off and when they where registered with the dvla they were registered as rs2000's to keep insurance costs down?

the dvla don't inspect a car when it's reg'd new by a manufacture they believe what there told.