BLU

iTrader: (1)

Grrr, just had a NIP through the post. 35 in a 30 zone. Fair dos I say, however look at the shitty way they're catching us........

Taken from the FAQ sheet that came with the NIP

Q This is all about raising money
All fines received go back to the Treasury. The Partnership including the Police do not receive any money from the fines

Whilst the above maybe true they have targets to meet and would go someway to explaining the position of the camera van, slap bang on the change over from a NSL (60mph) road to a 30mph zone.

A google photo of the positioning in question

The arrow shows my direction of travel, the X is where the camera van was sited and the sign ringed is the 30mph sign after a 60mph NSL road



If thats not positioning the van to up the prosecutions then I don't know what is.............
Theres not even any residential buildings for at least another 1/2 a mile!

Now I remember quite clearly this day and I remember slowing down for this van and I suspect they may have clocked me before I entered the 30 zone and I will be asking for photographic evidence. If I have been clocked in the 30 zone (bear in mind I will have been slowing down at the time of being clocked) then I'll hold my hands up and admit I'm in the wrong and hope I get offered the speed awareness course instead of points!

I wouldn't mind so much if I was in my Impreza but I was in my dead slow and stop 206 Derv!!

Typically the motorist is the easy target.

*rant over*

rog

iTrader: (2)

Totally agree mate, and no one is condoning speeding, however it's the message they send out about enforcing the limits and reducing accidents, then they place these cameras in places where it's essentially entrapment. I would not have a problem seeing them in a residential areas, near schools, or on really bad A or B roads with tight bends, but they're always in places where they know they can fuck you.

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

I'm no expert but you haven't "entered" the 30 zone yet? I'd get a proper opinion on that though!

E980VTJ

you think thats bad look at north wales police

this is them with a discovery and a horse box

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OYseCC4dwY

BLU

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, all depends on wether they zapped me from the front or the rear. Thats why I want photographic proof!

I know, they're terrible. My NIP is from North Wales police....

E980VTJ

look at this

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/need...5578-30873513/

Grantcos

I remember they did similar with a builders van and had a camera in that. When they bought it, it was clean enough. It they splattered paint and stuff down the back to make it look "genuine"

xr2mk2turbo

I live in north wales and they are very sneaky! Ive seen that horse box several times, in the middle of no where in the hills, lots of bikers round here so easy pickings, they also put them after bends coming from a 60 to 30 so you have no notice and burrying the brake with a truck or something behind you is just dangerous. I also saw two recently on the same road, in the middle of nowhere just trying to catch people out for straying a couple over. Anoys me to with the cameras like the M6 gantry ones that change, 40 to 30 to 60 to 30 your always left thinking what was the last one saying 30 , 40, 50 or 60, instead of focusing your attention on the task in hand DRIVING! then you worry for the next few weeks its not on. Rant over lol

motoring just isnt the pleasure it used to be

BLU

iTrader: (1)

Funnily enough thats just what they've done here.

Pic further back...... 30 sign is highlighted. It can only been seen now because the google car camera is so high, the place sign obscures it at normal car height!

E980VTJ

isn't before that sighn 60 if so you havent done nothing wrong unless you pasted the van then it got you

Dennis_Wiseman

iTrader: (1)

They can get you front, rear and side but thought they only could get you on approach.

If you have any doubts 100% ask for proof or fight it.

Dennis_Wiseman

iTrader: (1)

Nah that's just a horse fiddler

BLU

iTrader: (1)

I intend to fight it.

xr2mk2turbo

If you want to fight it this is what you need to request from them because you are adement you have not been speeding because you recall this day you remember the incident (probably not the best word) you were doing exactly 30 having and were fully aware of the van or something like that

1. Full service history of camera
2. When the camera was brought on line
3. how long since the camera had a service/calibration
4. the qualifications of the opperator
5. was the van parked in a DESIGNATED police layby

also clarify the 10% plus 2 rule

hope this helps

Jay

BLU

iTrader: (1)

I just need to know when to ask for the evidential photograph as this will confirm when they got me. The NIP is in my wifes name so need to send that back declaring me as the driver first.........

xr2mk2turbo

I would ask for photographs at same time as other info, in one big headache letter for them, dont make it easy for them

Marcyg

I was under the impression the camera van had to be marked as it's officially a 'Safety Camera' van, so hiding it in a horse box is against their own rules. Also, if there are no roads signs warning speed cameras are in use, I'm sure you can contest it there also.

E980VTJ

lol at the advertisment below post

Guinnless

Nice to see the Police with the horse trailer pulled out without indicating onto a busy road...

porterste

Where I live the speed camera van always is parked getting people speeding when going out of the village into either a 40 or 50. Whilst I accept that people are speeding it is a natural reaction to accelerate when you are leaving a 30 MPH. They never have the cameras lined up on people going into the 30 MPH of the village. LANCASHIRE POLICE. Also they park on a bridge coming over the river Ribble towards Penwortham at the edge of the 30 MPH same tactic. Just a money making scheme and not a road safety one in my opinion

BLU

iTrader: (1)

Had my mugshot back



They were parked 28.4 meters out of the 30 zone. I was roughly where the black car is in the first pic when they zapped me......

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Bang on the 10% +2 then sadly mate.

Fullflush

LOL at people thinking the simple loopholes work

I'll put a tenner on it for charity you do not get off

DanW@FastFord

iTrader: (1)

If you contest it you will have to plead guilty. They will then (more likely than not) find you guilty and fine you a lot more than if you just copped for it. There is a chance that you could get expert legal representation to get off, but that too would cost way more than the original fine.

Sadly, they know they've got us over a barrel for 'minor' speeding infringements like this.

foreigneRS

one got me, 63 in a 30 pleaded guilty by post, just waiting for the case to be heard to find out my punishment now but if you can't do the time - don't do the crime.

BLU

iTrader: (1)

35mph 60 meters into a 30 zone after a NSL road completely off the throttle is hardly the crime of the century is it Just unlucky.
More revenue generation imo. If I'd have been 1mph under that they wouldn't have prosecuted......

S3an

Seems very convenient on that picture that it doesnt actually show you past the 30mph markings on the road surface.

E980VTJ

is this the bottom rd?

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

I'd contest it and ask them to prove conclusively that you were in the 30mph zone and not outside of it. That picture imo isn't conclusive and their location that they've put on the picture could be anywhere on that road.

DanW@FastFord

iTrader: (1)

Will you be willing to pay the extra fine should his contest fail?


Thought not!

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

If it was me I would. His choice at the end of the day but it's either you contest it or sit there with your thumb up your arse and take the fine and points for doing 35mph outside a 30 zone. Great logic.

the mk1 kid

Is that the only picture they sent you - it doesn't even show the road, let alone markings!?

I suspect the camera inside the van is fixed firmly in one position aiming exactly where they want it to, thus it would be quite unlikely it is targeting the road outside the 30 zone -but you never know!

With the van being parked outside the 30, and the photo being quite inconclusive as to your position on the road i'd be sorely tempted to fight it myself...

If you go back and take a few pictures of the road from the approximate position of their van you should be better placed to make a call on whether there is enough doubt to contest it?

Tom

Oranoco

Be careful fighting. I am aware of several cases where the evidence to prove innocence with regards to a motoring offence has been substantial and the magistrates have gone against the motorist.

It would be right to fight it but from what I've seen and heard not worth the risk in doing so.

BLU

iTrader: (1)

No I'm not gonna fight it although I'm sure I should, its just not worth the grief. I know exactly where the photo was taken and where the van was at the time but unfortunately I'm defo in the 30 zone when the pic was taken, but only just.

Not much I can do except take it on the chin and make sure they don't get me again

Mark V8

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Fruit'n'nut

The distance is shown on the pic received by the OP - 96.7m.




This is going to sound like teaching people to suck eggs, but IMO if you come round a bend and are going too fast to slow down for a change in speed limit, then you're also going too fast to stop in an emergency.

Other cues act as warnings for speed limit changes, or the possibility that something will be in your path; for example in that ^ picture the speed limit sign may normally be obscured but there's the junction warning sign (a junction on or just after a bend) and there are rooftops visible over the hedges in the near-distance. The location sign looks as though it's brown, usually associated with "attractions." Those are three warning signs that you should perhaps slow down in case of dawdling or turning traffic, and should also expect a change in speed limit.

If you've got somebody tailgating/close behind you then again the correct course of action is to slow down, as this gives you more chance and room to brake for two if required.


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Looking on the web site http://www.gosafe.org/en/content/cms...wareness-cour/ which covers the Welsh SCPs it appears they offer driver education courses for "low level" offenders, which at least means you don't gain points.

foreigneRS

you didn't mention the most obvious one - the longer lines in the middle of the road. remember - more paint, more restraint

Fruit'n'nut

Them too! Thanks

Dennis_Wiseman

iTrader: (1)

Very surprised the vans can get you moving away.

I'll ask my sis inlaw about this next time i see her. She used to work in the camera vans. She used to say they rarely used to use the front camera but was always under the impression it had to be on approach to take a accurate reading as they do have to take 2 shots

BLU

iTrader: (1)

If you read my first post you'll see I was doing 35mph when I got speed checked. I was not doing 60 going around that corner, in fact I wasn't much over 40 mph as I know the junction is there so was already going an appropriate speed in readiness to slow down for the speed change. I just got caught out with a silly mistake, end of.

The rooftops you can see are agricultural buildings and there are no residences in view for at least another 1/2 mile after the 30 sign.

The location sign is brown to inform you its a Market town and its another mile before you arrive there. All the place names for some obscure reason where I live are brown.......

I was pointing out the signs are badly positioned (and I've noticed that a lot round here!) and really the should be displayed before the place name sign imho. If they wanna prosecute then the signs should be up to scratch. One rule for us and another (lack of) rule for them!